Hiruzen is the strongest Kage to exist thus far

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hashirama>hiruzen

hiruzens hype-lets start out with hiruzens hype. he was stated to be the strongest hokage and kage of his generation, the professor, and mastered all of konohas jutsu at one point.

hashiramas hype- now for hashiramas hype. hashiramas strength was stated to be a myth, a fairy tail like the sage of six paths. he was also called the strongest shinobi. it was also stated that hashiramas might was so vast that no shinobi from the current era could stand up to his power. that means that hashirama>every other shinobi except edo madara.

explaining the hype-we will get back to hashiramas hype. hiruzen was stated to be the strongest kage. nobody at the time from when hiruzen was getting all his fame(which was his prime) knew about or believed in hashiramas strength. hashiramas strength was considered a myth.

now lets define myth:
a traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, especially one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature.

so the people that tried to tell the future generations about hashiramas strength were dismissed because nobody thought a shinobi could be so strong. this is supported by the manga because hashiramas strength was considered a myth, a fairy tail like rikudo sennin. does everyone believe in the sage. nope.

Feats- now lets get to their feats. hiruzen is severely outclassed in this department. hashirama defeated ems madara with the kyuubi. ems madara by himself is one of the strongest characters in the narutoverse. combine this with the fact that he had the kyuubi by his side which is the strongest tailed beast, then you can see why hashiramas strength was considered a myth. hiruzen had to pull out reaper death seal on a nerfed edo hashirama and edo tobirama who were stated by orochimaru to be toying with hiruzen. while hiruzen very well may be much stronger in his prime, his hype and feats put him nowhere near hashiramas level.

databooks- databooks have been wrong on multiple occasions like saying orochimaru invented edo tensei and saying naruto and sakura were equals. the info in these can be faulty and it is outdated. how long has it been since kishi has released a databook? not recently.

conclusion- people from the future generations that heard of hashiramas strength considered his strength a myth. people believed that hiuzen was the strongest didnt believe in hashiramas strength. they reasoned that hiruzen was the strongest because that was what they saw and hiruzen>hashirama is what seemed reasonable to them because hashiramas strength seemed to exaggerated.

hashirama>hiruzen
 

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Tobirama senju would kill Hiruzen

Hashi would just ... er just stare at hiruzen and he would die

Minato would ftg him to death

Hiruzen can beat Tsunade though .

Sandaime raikage a win for him

Hiruzen beats A
 

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Read this bloody page most of this generation don't even know who the hell these bloody people are talk about their strength so how can they call hiruzen the best when they havent even seen hashi used your brains hiruzen fans and look at how edo madara talks about hashi

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^^ even these 3 kids don't know everything about hashi he died when they where young, use your brain hiruzen fans. How the hell would this generation know about hashi of course they would believe hiruzen is the strongest all they have heard is stories. If they believe those stories is up to them obviously they didn't which is why he is known as a fairy tail
 
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hashirama>hiruzen

hiruzens hype-lets start out with hiruzens hype. he was stated to be the strongest hokage and kage of his generation, the professor, and mastered all of konohas jutsu at one point.

hashiramas hype- now for hashiramas hype. hashiramas strength was stated to be a myth, a fairy tail like the sage of six paths. he was also called the strongest shinobi. it was also stated that hashiramas might was so vast that no shinobi from the current era could stand up to his power. that means that hashirama>every other shinobi except edo madara.

explaining the hype-we will get back to hashiramas hype. hiruzen was stated to be the strongest kage. nobody at the time from when hiruzen was getting all his fame(which was his prime) knew about or believed in hashiramas strength. hashiramas strength was considered a myth.

now lets define myth:
a traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, especially one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature.

so the people that tried to tell the future generations about hashiramas strength were dismissed because nobody thought a shinobi could be so strong. this is supported by the manga because hashiramas strength was considered a myth, a fairy tail like rikudo sennin. does everyone believe in the sage. nope.

Feats- now lets get to their feats. hiruzen is severely outclassed in this department. hashirama defeated ems madara with the kyuubi. ems madara by himself is one of the strongest characters in the narutoverse. combine this with the fact that he had the kyuubi by his side which is the strongest tailed beast, then you can see why hashiramas strength was considered a myth. hiruzen had to pull out reaper death seal on a nerfed edo hashirama and edo tobirama who were stated by orochimaru to be toying with hiruzen. while hiruzen very well may be much stronger in his prime, his hype and feats put him nowhere near hashiramas level.

databooks- databooks have been wrong on multiple occasions like saying orochimaru invented edo tensei and saying naruto and sakura were equals. the info in these can be faulty and it is outdated. how long has it been since kishi has released a databook? not recently.

conclusion- people from the future generations that heard of hashiramas strength considered his strength a myth. people believed that hiuzen was the strongest didnt believe in hashiramas strength. they reasoned that hiruzen was the strongest because that was what they saw and hiruzen>hashirama is what seemed reasonable to them because hashiramas strength seemed to exaggerated.

hashirama>hiruzen
I thought you were against hype, but your using quite alot of it, anyways Kishi said that Hiruzen was the strongest of all Kages
No matter the hype of Hashirama
 

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Hype is only good enough to tell you that someone was powerful to begin with. But from that point on, it's useless. We know Hiruzen was strong, so what? We also know the White Fang was on the level of the Sannins, but why isn't he in any top 10's or top 20's? Because we haven't seen enough feats. Same for Hiruzen. We haven't seen NEARLY enough to say that he is the most powerful, all we know is that yeah, he was strong. So STOP saying he was the strongest until you have some feats to back it up.
 

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Read this bloody page most of this generation don't even know who the hell these bloody people are talk about their strength so how can they call hiruzen the best when they havent even seen hashi used your brains hiruzen fans and look at how edo madara talks about hashi
this argument can be flawed to because madara never saw hiruzen too. but i don't think hiruzen is the strongest but we never know. kishi never showed us a prime hiruzen
 

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I thought you were against hype, but your using quite alot of it, anyways Kishi said that Hiruzen was the strongest of all Kages
No matter the hype of Hashirama
no i am accepting both hiruzen and hashiramas hype and putting them in a way that makes sense. it painfully obvious that this is how their hype is meant to be interpreted.
 

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Read this bloody page most of this generation don't even know who the hell these bloody people are talk about their strength so how can they call hiruzen the best when they havent even seen hashi used your brains hiruzen fans and look at how edo madara talks about hashi

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^^ even these 3 kids don't know everything about hashi he died when they where young, use your brain hiruzen fans.

Its called village history
You believe Kabutos word about the matter and how he was a fairy tale and he wasnt around Hashiramas time either
Kabuto is most likely younger than then all those anbu

You act like nobody else cant study about History like Kabuto
 

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Stop posting outdated information you noob. Part 1 Neji > Naruto at some point. So THAT MEANS NEJI > NARUTO NOW? IS THAT YOUR LOGIC? HASHIRAMA WOULD EAT THAT OLD FART AND SHIT HIM OUT. Wow, idiots on here, seriously :sy:

Lol ironic you call people idiots, Yet your logic is the stupidist thing I ever heard..

Lets say neji was stronger than one in part 1

Part 2 is years after.. neji and naruto got stronger, and naruto surpassed him...



In part 1 it was stated hiruzen was considered the strongest hokage...

In part 2 they are both dead... hashirama can't train can't he?

what kind of stupid logic are you using?


Just like according to Madara, Hashirama was considered the strongest ninja of their time
Hiruzen was considered the strongest HOKAGE, and kage of his time
 
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no i am accepting both hiruzen and hashiramas hype and putting them in a way that makes sense. it painfully obvious that this is how their hype is meant to be interpreted.
But all of that falls to the ground when Kishi says directly in the data book that Hiruzen is the strongest Kage of his time and strongest Hokage

So when that was stated all assumptions shouldve been out the window
 

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Its called village history
You believe Kabutos word about the matter and how he was a fairy tale and he wasnt around Hashiramas time either
Kabuto is most likely younger than then all those anbu

You act like nobody else cant study about History like Kabuto
Ok you have pissed me off now where the **** did I mention kabuto I am listen to ****ing madara what the **** does kabuto ****ing no about hashi. Don't ever put words in my ****ing mouth again. (I did not swear at you once.)
 

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hashirama>hiruzen

hiruzens hype-lets start out with hiruzens hype. he was stated to be the strongest hokage and kage of his generation, the professor, and mastered all of konohas jutsu at one point.

hashiramas hype- now for hashiramas hype. hashiramas strength was stated to be a myth, a fairy tail like the sage of six paths. he was also called the strongest shinobi. it was also stated that hashiramas might was so vast that no shinobi from the current era could stand up to his power. that means that hashirama>every other shinobi except edo madara.

explaining the hype-we will get back to hashiramas hype. hiruzen was stated to be the strongest kage. nobody at the time from when hiruzen was getting all his fame(which was his prime) knew about or believed in hashiramas strength. hashiramas strength was considered a myth.

now lets define myth:
a traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, especially one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature.

so the people that tried to tell the future generations about hashiramas strength were dismissed because nobody thought a shinobi could be so strong. this is supported by the manga because hashiramas strength was considered a myth, a fairy tail like rikudo sennin. does everyone believe in the sage. nope.

Feats- now lets get to their feats. hiruzen is severely outclassed in this department. hashirama defeated ems madara with the kyuubi. ems madara by himself is one of the strongest characters in the narutoverse. combine this with the fact that he had the kyuubi by his side which is the strongest tailed beast, then you can see why hashiramas strength was considered a myth. hiruzen had to pull out reaper death seal on a nerfed edo hashirama and edo tobirama who were stated by orochimaru to be toying with hiruzen. while hiruzen very well may be much stronger in his prime, his hype and feats put him nowhere near hashiramas level.

databooks- databooks have been wrong on multiple occasions like saying orochimaru invented edo tensei and saying naruto and sakura were equals. the info in these can be faulty and it is outdated. how long has it been since kishi has released a databook? not recently.

conclusion- people from the future generations that heard of hashiramas strength considered his strength a myth. people believed that hiuzen was the strongest didnt believe in hashiramas strength. they reasoned that hiruzen was the strongest because that was what they saw and hiruzen>hashirama is what seemed reasonable to them because hashiramas strength seemed to exaggerated.

hashirama>hiruzen

Haven't I already refuted your argument? The Gigantic hole in your argument, is that it isn't people of the younger generation that called hiruzen the strongest kage..
According to oro and kabuto he WAS called the strongest hokage

Was referring to past, Referring to when he was in his prime...When hiruzen was in his prime, undoubtedly there was ninjas in the village who would have met tobirama and hashirama


Try again



No read again. He was talking in a general case, not about speed


And the Viz official english scan translated that to talking about his qualities as a man , and that Minato was noble.. a finer shinobi never existed..
 

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Lol ironic you call people idiots, Yet your logic is the stupidist thing I ever heard..

Lets say neji was stronger than one in part 1

Part 2 is years after.. neji and naruto got stronger, and naruto surpassed him...



In part 1 it was stated hiruzen was considered the strongest hokage...

In part 2 they are both dead... hashirama can't train can't he?

what kind of stupid logic are you using?


Just like according to Madara, Hashirama was considered the strongest ninja of their time
Hiruzen was considered the strongest HOKAGE, and kage of his time
Glad to see someone with some sense +rep
 

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Lol ironic you call people idiots, Yet your logic is the stupidist thing I ever heard..

Lets say neji was stronger than one in part 1

Part 2 is years after.. neji and naruto got stronger, and naruto surpassed him...



In part 1 it was stated hiruzen was considered the strongest hokage...

In part 2 they are both dead... hashirama can't train can't he?

what kind of stupid logic are you using?


Just like according to Madara, Hashirama was considered the strongest ninja of their time
Hiruzen was considered the strongest HOKAGE, and kage of his time

No it was not show me where.
 
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