Hiruzen is the strongest Kage to exist thus far

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No known Hokages or Kages can beat Hiruzen
And the Kages at his era are not stronger than him either

Hiruzen was one of the most powerful shinobi in history. In fact, he was so powerful that he was admired as the God of Shinobi (忍の神, Shinobi no Kami) in his prime and was said to be the strongest Hokage that Konoha ever had. Even in his old age, he also said to be the strongest of all the five Kage at the time of his death.[8][9] Enma commented on his battle with Orochimaru, saying that it was "miserable" compared to his prime, even though he had clearly been able to hold his own against Orochimaru and two former Hokage without losing his composure. Even in his old age, his chakra was noted for being very strong, causing a dense effect on the atmosphere when released;[10] furthermore, he was known for having immense reserves of chakra in his youth.[11] He was also the longest living and longest reigning Hokage. Hiruzen also had keen senses, being able to track down the former Hokage under Hashirama Senju's Bringer-of-Darkness Technique.[



See that?
Are you denying Kishis words, if Kishi wanted to change his mind and make Hashirama stronger, why not change the data book?
He didnt though cause Hiruzen is still the strongest.
People say that Hashirama learnt new moves in part 2, but that wasnt part 2 new moves. Those were old moves that Hashirama been had just now comming to light
Hashirama and Tobirama been died before part 1, So Hiruzen being stronger than them still holds true



And as you can see in there it says strongest Hokage and strongest of the current Kage in his old age.

So that means stronger than the 3rd Raikage, 3rd Kazekage, 3rd Tsuchikage, and 3rd Mizukage
And this isnt even prime Hiruzen

And we all know how every village commented on how the 3rd in every village is the strongest Kage.(But the 3rd MIzukage is unknown)

But i realize haters gonna hate and just be mad:shrug:
 
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Where did kishi or anyone say hiruzen is the strongest and I don't want was called go on show me one page or scan because I have seen one powerful person say things like "hashi is the only one" and "hashi can do this or that" but show me one powerful person or someone half decent who said hiruzen is. I repeat IS not was called.
 

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Stop posting outdated information you noob. Part 1 Neji > Naruto at some point. Does that mean that Neji > Naruto in part 2? No, accept that Hashirama > Hiruzen, and I don't give a shit what the databooks say. Databooks give Kurenai 5 in Genjutsu but Itachi reversed it like nothing, the databooks aren't reliable. Also, Kabuto compared Hashirama to the SOT6P, when was Hiruzen ever compared to him? Never. Ever.
 
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Hiruzen is not as strong as fan boys say he is "god of shinobi" yh right so he's on the sage of six paths level yh? rinnegan madara can't even stop him yh?

Note: This is not a post about Hashirama>Hiruzen but is simply a thread about hiruzen and how strong hiruzen fans say he is. So I am talking about his "god of shinobi quote" is obviously wrong because well.. madara rinnegan (not edo) as well as other things.

Oro = Orochimaru
Hashi = Hashirama
Tobi = Tobirama
Masked tobi is not mentioned in this thread so no confusion.

About a few weeks ago I made a thread and I asked “Who said hiruzen is the strongest” Someone replied the author in the databooks. I was then laughed that and abused by hiruzen fans saying haha you can’t argue with what kishi says.

Don't believe me then go to post #491 on this page.


Then some wise guy posted the quotes from the data book then once again I was laughed at an abused lol

Page 117: "He is such a genius ninja that he was even called the 'Professor', and he still garners everyone's respect as the strongest Hokage in history." (「„プロフェッサー”と呼ばれたほ� �� �� ��天才忍者であり、歴代最強の影 として皆の尊敬を集め続ける。」, "'Purofessā' to yobareta hodo no tensai ninja de ari, rekidai saikyō no Hokage toshite mina no sonkei o atsume tsuzukeru")

Page 119: "'Strongest in history', 'genius', et cetera, the words used to describe the Third Hokage." (「„歴代最強”„天才”など、三代� �� �� �� �� �� ��火影を形容する言葉は賞賛に満�� �� �� �� � �て いる。」, "'Rekidai saikyō' 'tensai' nado, Sandaime Hokage o keiyōsuru kotoba wa shōsan ni michite iru.")

Page 265: "The Third is called the strongest, even among the past Hokage, and he is even admired as the 'God of Shinobi'." (「三代目は歴代火影の中でも最強と� �� �� �� �� �� ��われ、„忍の神”と謳われたこ�� �� �� �� � �も 。」, "Sandaime wa rekidai Hokage no naka demo saikyō to iware, 'Shinobi no Kami' to utawareta koto mo")

However this was his mistake I read the quotes from the data book very carefully and it said he was called all these things and it was never stated by kishi himself that he was.
So this is how I proved them wrong that kishi did not directly say that hiruzen was the strongest himself but said that he was called. No one made an argument against this all was fine for about an hour and (then guys you’re going to love this). All the hiruzen fans changed their argument to “orochimaru, kabuto and many others said this..”
So I re-read all of these scenes again and found out the hiruzen fans made the same mistake as they did with kishi, orochimaru never said he was any of these things but said he was “called” (Do really want scans go look yourself)

Kabuto never said he was the greatest hokage but said he was the greatest kage of his generation.(go look yourself hiruzen fans)
So that leaves the many others, you’re gonna love this guys the others which they have talked about were Iruka and Ebisu. The fodderest fodders around. Elders didn’t even mention any of these things that was made up by a (not all just one)hiruzen fan.

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All the hiruzen fans use to use that kishi himself as well as oro and kabuto said all these things always used this against everyone on NB saying if you argue with this you argue with the manga. These were all false statements yet they continue to use this util I proved them wrong.

All was good they had realise their mistakes but your gonna love this guys they changed and I repeat changed their argument to say that hiruzen beat oro, hashi and tobi at old age so it is obvious he is the strongest.
Yet they fail to realise the following:

Hashi and tobi were mindless killing machines they did not have their own personalities and did not fight how they would if they were in control of their own bodies all they did was charge, attack and counter.
Another thing they didn’t realise oro was in control of their bodies oro did not know what they (mainly hashi) was truly capable of. This is why when kabuto revived madara after altering his body he left madara to be in control of his body (correcting the mistake oro did) and said something like “now I can finally witness a fragment of the so6p’s power”. Kabuto did not know what madara could do but he knew madara would be on his side anyway so he could leave him to do what he was truly capable of something oro could not because hashi and tobi would not fight hiruzen if he didn’t turn them to mindless killing machines.

Hiruzen did not win this battle in any way, hashi increased his mokuton to the size of the barrier they were locked in. (notice mindless hashi couldn’t use his landscape changing abilities they were locked in a small area, also oro was in control and turned him into mindless zombie.)

Hiruzen realised there is no way he is going to win this battle so his only hope to protect the village was to give his life using RDS because there was no hope of him winning.

It doesn’t end there he couldn’t even beat his student, why? Because oro stabbed a sword through his chest preventing him from sealing him completely

Yes hiruzen stood his ground but he is hokage for a reason.
Hiruzen fans have changed their reason for saying he is the strongest so many times and I have proven them all wrong.

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When I ask hiruzen fans, ok he was called god of shinobi right? So that means he is stronger then madara rinnegan (not edo) I have not got one reply to this. You know why because this is when hiruzen fans realise ok I guess he wasn’t literally god of shinobi it was just a title given to him by people who admired him.

You know why they can’t reply because kishi has revealed what madara can do and this landscape changing abilities that he said hashi and him both had. Before madara was summoned my muu they probably would of made the argument that hiruzen is up to his level so I am so happy kishi has shown them what these landscape changing abilities can be like because now all they can do is be silent.

Bascially hiruzen fans are like the fodders they do not believe in hashi’s strength they think it is a fairy tale. Well I tell you kishi is not making madara say all these things for no reason.

Note: This is not a thread about Hashi>hiruzen about about how strong hiruzen fanboys say he is.

Why was you all using "god of shinobi" against hashi but when I mention madara I hear silence when madara has stated now they are both on the same level of landscape changing abilities.
 
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OMG

he dosnt stand a chance against Ay the fourth raikage or the third raikage OR The gold and silver brothers OR Harshima OR Minato Or Garaa And the Mizukage Guy Who Uses Genjutsu Hiruzen cant even defeat Orochimaru Or Kabuto

The Odds of him defeatingg anyone of them are slim Very Very Very Slim-_-
 

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That means only Tsunade or Minato could be the strongest hokage.

Hiruzen is the strongest kage eva. Deal with it.
I added more to the post and show me proof please. Not things like it was said. Because it was said neji is the strongest genin and he can't be beat and it was said the 4th hokage was the best of all the kages.
 

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@hidden shinobi I never said whether or not Sarutobi was stronger than Edo MAdara
I said strongest Kage to exist

Last i check Madara wasnt a Known Kage
And your off topic
 
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