Hiruzen (god debate)

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the part 2 supposed haxxed hiruzen nearly got soloed by the kyuubi in like 10 minutes with help from a bunch of leaf shinobi. yup hes a god alright. hashirama took on madara who has katons, tsukiyomi, amaterasu, susano and a variety of weapons. but guess what. the kyuubi was fighting alongside this beast uchiha and who won? hashirama
hashirama>>>>hiruzen

haha are u kidding me? owned hiruzen? when??
hiruzen was fully prepared to fight it before minato put the barrier up and sealed him.
hiruzen didnt even look worried when kurama showed up cuz he knew u cud defeat it.
 

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haha are u kidding me? owned hiruzen? when??
hiruzen was fully prepared to fight it before minato put the barrier up and sealed him.
hiruzen didnt even look worried when kurama showed up cuz he knew u cud defeat it.

Prove it.

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WTF?! You're telling me to read the Manga and you don't know what I'm talking about? Do you even know what Mokuton is?

yesss yess of course i do silly but i just don't understand what you were saying really in context to what we were talking about ?
 

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haha are u kidding me? owned hiruzen? when??
hiruzen was fully prepared to fight it before minato put the barrier up and sealed him.
hiruzen didnt even look worried when kurama showed up cuz he knew u cud defeat it.

lol sure. hiruzen woudve been killed and you know it. we all know it.
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Are you saying that Madara did not have Mokuton before he was resurrected? Are you saying that Kabuto gave Madara Mokuton?

ohh I get what you were saying.. i was spacing for a second.. and yes I am saying EXACTLY that.
 

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lol sure. hiruzen woudve been killed and you know it. we all know it.
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so let me get this straight. u think he was jst going to stand there and get blasted. im positive he wud have done something but didnt have time to bcuz gamabunta came crashin down
 

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what u mad bro?

there he's tryin to get in.
why wud he do tht if he didnt think he cud beat hiruzen?

The fourth from sacrificing himself. The third figured that with the help of the fourth they could take on madara and the 9tails,not solo.
 

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ohh I get what you were saying.. i was spacing for a second.. and yes I am saying EXACTLY that.

Prove it then. I need a Manga page proving that.

what u mad bro?

there he's tryin to get in.
why wud he do tht if he didnt think he cud beat hiruzen?

Not mad. LOL But I still think that Hashirama > Hiruzen.
 

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The fourth from sacrificing himself. I think the third figured that with the help of the fourth they could take on madara and the 9tails,not solo.

mm i think if he got in theyd fight together.
but hiruzen was prepared before minato even showed up to take kurama down.
 

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Prove it then. I need a Manga page proving that.



Not mad. LOL But I still think that Hashirama > Hiruzen.

sigh tht isnt wat this thread is about. what ive been saying is we cant say who's stronger bcuz theyve been hyped the same
 

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Prove it.

Not mad. LOL But I still think that Hashirama > Hiruzen..

still? but how can you argue with any of these points??


"lol Hashirama was not hyped by Kabuto - his chakra was, as would anybody with such pure senju chakra would be. Tsunade didn't hype him, please link if you can find any I don't recall her ever hyping in relation to other Kages. And we truly don't know if Tobi is in fact Madara himself so chea. Only reason Hash was typed by Madara was because he got owned whether or not it was on purpose is another discussion.

I think we can all agree that Oro is the smartest ninja in the series, so it wouldn't make sense for him to say such things without them being true, would just be bad writing.

There is also what Hiruzen actually did - take on Oro who is easily kage level, partial first and partial second all at the same time, at 69 HAH.

And if that isn't enough in an interview with in an issue of "Protoculture", Kishi stated he was the strongest of any Hokages yet, i.e. going with one of the theme of Naruto that the new generation > the old one, as well as the theme of "power breeds power" - meaning pretty much that power leads to power. The first and second lead to the third, who lead to the sannin, who lead to naruto, sasuke, ect ect ect.

Not a fanboy of Hiruzen. He was decent leader but a pushover and shouldn't have waited so long to choose another successor. But facts are facts =p, based solely on the facts I make my conclusion that he was the strongest of past hokages. You really can't argue with that."


especially the interview - Kishi's words himself!.

Don't get me wrong they are definitely comparable in fight levels, but the third > the first.. whether by are hair or a mile (personally I think it would be extremely close - the hair), but facts be facts.
 
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so let me get this straight. u think he was jst going to stand there and get blasted. im positive he wud have done something but didnt have time to bcuz gamabunta came crashin down

that would give hiruzen all the more reason to do something. kurama was still and being held down in one spot. even with this opportunity hiruzen is still powerless. thank you for clarifying this

restrained kyuubi held down by gamabunta>>>>>>>>>>hiruzen
 

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that would give hiruzen all the more reason to do something. kurama was still and being held down in one spot. even with this opportunity hiruzen is still powerless. thank you for clarifying this

restrained kyuubi held down by gamabunta>>>>>>>>>>hiruzen

haha now ur jst trolling. and keep reading tht chapter. the second gamabunta lands minato FTG's him away.
and if u rly think gamabunta>hiruzen then u sir... well i jst dnt have words for tht
 

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sigh tht isnt wat this thread is about. what ive been saying is we cant say who's stronger bcuz theyve been hyped the same

You said Kabuto gave Madara Mokuton. I need proof.

still? but how can you argue with any of these points??


"lol Hashirama was not hyped by Kabuto - his chakra was, as would anybody with such pure senju chakra would be. Tsunade didn't hype him, please link if you can find any I don't recall her ever hyping in relation to other Kages. And we truly don't know if Tobi is in fact Madara himself so chea. Only reason Hash was typed by Madara was because he got owned whether or not it was on purpose is another discussion.

I think we can all agree that Oro is the smartest ninja in the series, so it wouldn't make sense for him to say such things without them being true, would just be bad writing.

There is also what Hiruzen actually did - take on Oro who is easily kage level, partial first and partial second all at the same time, at 69 HAH.

And if that isn't enough in an interview with in an issue of "Protoculture", Kishi stated he was the strongest of any Hokages yet, i.e. going with one of the theme of Naruto that the new generation > the old one, as well as the theme of "power breeds power" - meaning pretty much that power leads to power. The first and second lead to the third, who lead to the sannin, who lead to naruto, sasuke, ect ect ect.

Not a fanboy of Hiruzen. He was decent leader but a pushover and shouldn't have waited so long to choose another successor. But facts are facts =p, based solely on the facts I make my conclusion that he was the strongest of past hokages. You really can't argue with that."


especially the interview - Kishi's words himself!.

Don't get me wrong they are definitely comparable in fight levels, but the third > the first.. whether by are hair or a mile (personally I think it would be extremely close - the hair), but facts be facts.

I argued long enough and with good points, but these people don't get that Hashirama > Hiruzen. I'm just going to GTFO of this thread. U_U

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haha now ur jst trolling. and keep reading tht chapter. the second gamabunta lands minato FTG's him away.
and if u rly think gamabunta>hiruzen then u sir... well i jst dnt have words for tht

when did i say gamabunta>hiruzen. your grasping at straws now. you already lost the debate. minato didnt teleport kyuubi the moment gamabunta landed on it. gamabunta and minato were able to have a conversation in the time gamabunta was on top of kurama. minato also took the time to gather his chakra.
 

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You said Kabuto gave Madara Mokuton. I need proof.
um........ :confused: no i didnt?


I argued long enough and with good points, but these people don't get that Hashirama > Hiruzen. I'm just going to GTFO of this thread. U_U
and i have proven tht we.cannot.determine.tht
 

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You said Kabuto gave Madara Mokuton. I need proof.



I argued long enough and with good points, but these people don't get that Hashirama > Hiruzen. I'm just going to GTFO of this thread. U_U

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you never once addressed any of my points.. =( and bro there is flat out no arguing that Mokuton is a sunju style signatured by the first. HE IS KNOWN FOR it - he created the forest around the village. That is like.. his thing.. obviously Madara didn't have it and Madara got it from getting his DNA from Kabuto.. cmon mang!
 
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