Hiruzen (god debate)

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All we really know about is old man hiruzen we haven't seen him in his prime, on the other hand we have seen hashi in his prime .So yeah hashi prime is stronger then old man sarutobi but i think prime sarutobi could be stronger then hashi but until we know how the third was when he was in his prime then we just don't know
 

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he is the best hokage thats for sure, his character is better then the others
 

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All we really know about is old man hiruzen we haven't seen him in his prime, on the other hand we have seen hashi in his prime .So yeah hashi prime is stronger then old man sarutobi but i think prime sarutobi could be stronger then hashi but until we know how the third was when he was in his prime then we just don't know

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Ok as we all know there has been a HUGE debate on the base about who's better hiruzen or hashirama.
while re-reading the manga i found something tht i feel cud hopefully put an end to it.
One of the main arguments people have is that "Hiruzen was hailed as the god of shinobi"
that page has been used alot, but it's a miss translation what orochimaru actually says is "its so pitifull that even you who has been hailed as a shinobi god, are vulnerable to the passage of time"
now i do know for a fact that this is the exact translation. so look at the bolded part in the translation. notice the a. this a is crucial to this argument. the a implies plural, which wud mean there have been other "gods of shinobi".
for example hashirama, madara, SO6P.
Now do not get me wrong hiruzen is incredibly powerful, definetly top ten (imo).
so the point of this thread is to say altho hiruzen is strong we cnt say he's stronger than anyone bcuz he was hailed as a god.

but while im on the subject of hiruzen i jst feel like trying to put an end to people underestimating him.
Ok as we all know hiruzen was nicknamed the professor bcuz he knew all existing konoha ninjutsu (besides KG techniques obviously).

Now what i've seen is people completely overlooking this fact.
Do u all realize what know all existing konoha ninjutsu. (now ik we have no technical proof tht he knows them all but if he oro said he cud i dnt see why we shudnt believe him)
It means he can use; rasengan, chidori, FTG, edo tensei.
ya i said it, FTG and edo. For these reasons; FTG is not a KG it was invented by minato. and as we all know he invented it while hiruzen was alive. so if oro said he knew all konoha ninjutsu tht wud include FTG.
Same with edo, hiruzen didnt use it because he thot of it as a disgusting inhuman technique because u had to sacrifice someone.
and I think he didnt use FTG bcuz it didnt fit to his fighting style. he was a mid range fighter who takes things slow and analyzes things.
hahaha sry got off track xd. but my point is we cnt tell if hiruzen or hashirama is stronger bcuz they are both god like shinobi. and my second point is people shudnt underestimate hiruzen, he's a boss.

Ok I am going to point out right now that it is literally impossible for him to know every jutsu in Konoha even if you take out KG.

He 100% could not use FTG. That is just a fact.
He could not use the Aburame jutsus.
He could not use any jutsu involving summons that he did not have.
There are many things that he could not do. That line right there is just massive hype that has no basis and is just a way of saying that Hiruzen know a ton of jutsus.

Every jutsu in Konoha? NO
A lot of jutsus? Yes
 

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these people are arguing over something they havnt even seen
 

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Ok I am going to point out right now that it is literally impossible for him to know every jutsu in Konoha even if you take out KG.

He 100% could not use FTG. That is just a fact.
He could not use the Aburame jutsus.
He could not use any jutsu involving summons that he did not have.
There are many things that he could not do. That line right there is just massive hype that has no basis and is just a way of saying that Hiruzen know a ton of jutsus.

Every jutsu in Konoha? NO
A lot of jutsus? Yes

Why is tht fact tht he can't use FTG?
Aburame's insects are a form of KG.
He doesnt need to be able to summon every y
Type of summon, the jutsu us called summoning jutsu. The fact tht he cud summon Enma means he knows it
 

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speculations, speculation, speculation

Keep on dreaming

Make your own anime and let your favorate character be the top 1 Hahahaha....
 

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Why is tht fact tht he can't use FTG?
Aburame's insects are a form of KG.
He doesnt need to be able to summon every y
Type of summon, the jutsu us called summoning jutsu. The fact tht he cud summon Enma means he knows it

The Aburame's insects are not a KG. It is not given to them by birth, it is given to them at birth, very big difference. That is like saying that Akamaru is Kiba's KG.

As for FTG, FTG works on the principal of reverse summoning. Minato invented the seals to do it and so was able to use FTG the correct way. He worked himself into the seals, so that it doesn't cost him any chakra when he uses FTG to teleport himself.

We have already seen that people are able to use FTG, but they required 3 people to do it, and as far as we know they are unable to place the seals on other people.
 

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hiruzen was said to know all konoha ninjutsu. for tht he wud need lightning element.
and i believe he cud use FTG, does it ever say only 4 shinobi cud use it?


He said to know all not to use all. :sy:
Only Sakumo,Kakashi and sasuke know's how to use the chidori. If you disagree show me some proof.
Go re-read manga facts my friend, only 4 shinobi's know how to use FTG (including minato) the other 3 were a group whom minato taught
 

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Mokuton is NOT A KG. It is just Hashirama is so good at deriving new jutsus that he managed to combine water and earth elements in order to create the wood element.

In short, Hashirama is a genius.No Kekkei Genkai, just simple blooded genius.

Another dumb one :sy:
Re-read manga's my friend for you to have further knowledge of Mokuton.
If it's not a KG why do anyone don't know how to use it? (excluding yamato)
 

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The Aburame's insects are not a KG. It is not given to them by birth, it is given to them at birth, very big difference. That is like saying that Akamaru is Kiba's KG.

As for FTG, FTG works on the principal of reverse summoning. Minato invented the seals to do it and so was able to use FTG the correct way. He worked himself into the seals, so that it doesn't cost him any chakra when he uses FTG to teleport himself.

We have already seen that people are able to use FTG, but they required 3 people to do it, and as far as we know they are unable to place the seals on other people.
The ability to use the bugs is a KG. kiba just has a adept sense of smell. I'm. Of saying tht he us us it as fluently I'm just saying he wud know how to use it. Whether he needed 3 other people with him or not
He said to know all not to use all. :sy:
Only Sakumo,Kakashi and sasuke know's how to use the chidori. If you disagree show me some proof.
Go re-read manga facts my friend, only 4 shinobi's know how to use FTG (including minato) the other 3 were a group whom minato taught
bud I did Tons of reading before writing this thread, Ik what the manga says.
Knowing and using, I see no difference? If u know how to do a technique then u shud be able to use it. And it does say know and use all existing Konoh ninjutsu which includes FTG and chidori. There's nothing provin me wrong when I way he cud. It's an assumption based on what we know of sarutobis hype.
Btw sakumo cudnt use chidori, Kakashi invented it after he died
 

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he was hyped as a god by oro and kabuto.
and oro doesnt give such hype so freely

It's just due to utter respect and how they value that person.

Nagato self proclaimed god and his village people thought/believed so.

Itachi has been hyped thru out the manga by the likes of Oro, Zetsu, Tobi, and Kabuto recently even hyped him. If I only read what Kabuto said from this entire manga, I'd think Itachi is god.

Than theres others like Minato, Muu, 3rd Raikage, and so on. It's just hype and how an opponent/comrade/sensei/friend/rival describe the person as.

I think it's obvious So6P is god of Narutoverse followed by his sons and than Madara and Hashi, Naruto is on his way of OPness, and maybe even Sasuke.
 

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The ability to use the bugs is a KG. kiba just has a adept sense of smell. I'm. Of saying tht he us us it as fluently I'm just saying he wud know how to use it. Whether he needed 3 other people with him or not

bud I did Tons of reading before writing this thread, Ik what the manga says.
Knowing and using, I see no difference? If u know how to do a technique then u shud be able to use it. And it does say know and use all existing Konoh ninjutsu which includes FTG and chidori. There's nothing provin me wrong when I way he cud. It's an assumption based on what we know of sarutobis hype.
Btw sakumo cudnt use chidori, Kakashi invented it after he died

You didn't really get it do you? There is a big difference between knowing to do a technique and using it.
For you to stop saying that hiruzen can use FTG go to this link and read it!
I hope you finally use your common sense. Before you start proving show us some evidence first my friend.
Btw, kakashi got it from his father then he perfected it.
 

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It's just due to utter respect and how they value that person.

Nagato self proclaimed god and his village people thought/believed so.

Itachi has been hyped thru out the manga by the likes of Oro, Zetsu, Tobi, and Kabuto recently even hyped him. If I only read what Kabuto said from this entire manga, I'd think Itachi is god.

Than theres others like Minato, Muu, 3rd Raikage, and so on. It's just hype and how an opponent/comrade/sensei/friend/rival describe the person as.

I think it's obvious So6P is god of Narutoverse followed by his sons and than Madara and Hashi, Naruto is on his way of OPness, and maybe even Sasuke.
That's kinda wat I've been saying this whole time. We can't determine who's better based on the hype cuz others have been given It too
You didn't really get it do you? There is a big difference between knowing to do a technique and using it.
For you to stop saying that hiruzen can use FTG go to this link and read it!
I hope you finally use your common sense. Before you start proving show us some evidence first my friend.
Btw, kakashi got it from his father then he perfected it.
Ok? How's This disprove my theory. They have to say the only known users. And noo Kakashi invented it a the sharingan helped him perfect it.
I am using common sense to the best of my ability, no need to be rude.
 

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That's kinda wat I've been saying this whole time. We can't determine who's better based on the hype cuz others have been given It too

Ok? How's This disprove my theory. They have to say the only known users. And noo Kakashi invented it a the sharingan helped him perfect it.
I am using common sense to the best of my ability, no need to be rude.

They are said to be the only known and capable of using it cause minato taught it to them. Really? got confused with that flashback sorry.
I'm not trying to be rude, Im trying to help you know. :)
 

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They are said to be the only known and capable of using it cause minato taught it to them. Really? got confused with that flashback sorry.
I'm not trying to be rude, Im trying to help you know. :)

theyre the only ones who were seen doing it.
np
 
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