Hirudora Destroyed V3 Susano'o

[To Whatever]

Why are people trying to use kisame as an excuse?

Was it not explicitly stated and shown that Gai's Hirudora weakened after clashing with Kisame's Daikodan?

Here we see Hirudora's Tiger mouth getting smaller and smaller as it moves forward to Kisame through the Daikodan

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And if this isnt enough here we have Kisame wondering why Daikodan isnt getting absorbed despite the fact that gai's jutsu got deflated

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When Hirudora finally reached Kisame, it was no more than the size of his chest or maybe even smaller

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Compare this to the Hirudora that Madara was struck with

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Its even bigger than his susanoo, and not only that even this hirudora is not the maximum power hirudora since the mokuton was absorbing his chakras

There is a massive power difference between the Hirudora that struck kisame and the one that struck madara and his susanoo

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This is the full power Hirudora [

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] (before getting deflated by Daikodan)

That's a wrap folks, this explains it all.

 

[Draphsin]

Ay's punch didn't bend it as much as Gai's Hirudora yet it still did some damage. Now I'm thinking that susanoo did get damaged quite a bit and Madara decided to release it for convenience sake, because let's face it, what good is a broken susanoo especially when it decreases mobility and the fact Madara was pushed back where he couldn't fight against Naruto and co?

It may have been damaged [maybe even heavily] in the explosion but it wasn't utterly destroyed like people continuously like to believe.

 

[Dantee]

Susanoo got pushed back. It's something we've seen before. A tossed it, Naruto got a clean hit in the back. Hirudora is wind pressure. Ofc Susanoo will fall back.

 

[Touken]

Susanoo got pushed back. It's something we've seen before. A tossed it, Naruto got a clean hit in the back. Hirudora is wind pressure. Ofc Susanoo will fall back.

lol, he just fell back? And that did enough damage to Madara to the point where he completely stops attacking Bee and Naruto?

 

[adeshina365]

@bold, no, they don't vary significantly in defensive capability. If they do vary, it's by a little, making this little debate completely pointless. V3 Susanoo is all Susanoo that look at least similar to

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in terms of size and bone density. Even though it's a loose categorization, it's not wrong.

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And that scan's meant to show?

 

[Champ]

Such lies. Hirudora hit Madara v2 incomplete Susano'o, which we never saw get destroyed.

 

[Dantee]

lol, he just fell back? And that did enough damage to Madara to the point where he completely stops attacking Bee and Naruto?

The distance set them apart so Madara couldn't do anything about them breaking out. How is he suppose to attack them from that distance.

 

[To Whatever]

We never saw obito bust sasuke's susanoo or kurama cloak yet we infer it was destryoed since they were laying on the ground.

Yet when a nerfed hirudora hits it and causes a sizeble crater and impact we cant infer that it was destroyed?

If that susanoo wasnt busted, it was rendered useless because of the dmg it withstood.

Ay's punch broke a rib but its highly unlikely that Hirudora busted it?

 

[adeshina365]

And that scan's meant to show?

Sasuke's Susanoo had comparable defensive capabilities as Naruto's BM avatar.

 

[Touken]

Sasuke's Susanoo had comparable defensive capabilities as Naruto's BM avatar.

What's your point? That was Sasuke's Complete Susanoo, so it has no relevance whatsoever, and it was also enhanced by Juugo's CM. Not to mention that Naruto got up quicker than Sasuke.

The distance set them apart so Madara couldn't do anything about them breaking out. How is he suppose to attack them from that distance.

Lol, Madara was quick enough to blitz SM Naruto. I'm pretty sure he could cover the distance between them rather quickly.

 

[Dantee]

What's your point? That was Sasuke's Complete Susanoo, so it has no relevance whatsoever, and it was also enhanced by Juugo's CM. Not to mention that Naruto got up quicker than Sasuke.

Lol, Madara was quick enough to blitz SM Naruto. I'm pretty sure he could cover the distance between them rather quickly.

Again the distance...

 

[Joshutsu]

Even if he broke one with susano, imagine if he was facing 5 susano clone like the gokage. Is he going to pull 5 hirudora? He would get solo IMO

 

[shelke]

You're acting as if the Gates are sentient and dictate whatever Gai does, which isn't the case. Yeah, you're right, the Gates are limit removers but I've already said that. Once Gai is in Gates, can he choose whether to punch someone or not? Yeah. When he does punch someone, can he choose to either punch slowly or quickly? Yeah. Can he also choose to punch someone strongly or weakly? The answer's yes again. The same principle applies to Hirudora, as naturally, the faster the punch, the stronger Hirudora becomes. So can he choose to punch very quickly to make a very strong Hirudora, or just punch quick enough to meet the minimum requirements to create Hirudora? Yeah, again. There's a bunch of reasons why Kisame survived Hirudora, refer to End of Days' post, refer to my post regarding what happens in an underwater explosion and there's also this, Gai being able to create a weak Hirudora or a strong Hirudora.

They DO dictate what Gai does - in fact they dictate everything in Gates Mode. I have already shown you manga scans, almost repeatedly. The Gates or Restraints are gone when the said Gate is opened. He cannot control anything, when the control is gone. Get my point? It's a simple factor, really. He can choose to punch or not. I never once stated that he cannot. I said that given that the control is gone, his speed cannot be controlled. The scans regarding the gates function prove so.

As for End of Days scans, then she's overlooking things - as usual. Keep that in mind that it's just a super-fast punch that is basically nothing but a Shock-wave from a physical attack. Now, release a shock wave and pass it through a tighter space. Would that reduce the shock wave's intensity? No. The answer lies in the blow back from the punch. Notice the area of the shock-wave from when it hit Madara's Susano'o versus when it hit Kisame. Let's compare the radius of the two shock-waves:

Shock-wave from Afternoon Tiger on Madara's Susano'o:

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Shock-wave from Afternoon Tiger on Kisame:

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What difference do you see? Do you see any difference whatsoever? There is your answer.

 

[iSpyder]

Injured Base Mode Gai > Edo Madara

 

[BlinkST]

Why are people trying to use kisame as an excuse?

Was it not explicitly stated and shown that Gai's Hirudora weakened after clashing with Kisame's Daikodan?

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No, that was debunked.

 

[Touken]

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No, that was debunked.

Hirudora still deflated.

 

[BlinkST]

Hirudora still deflated.

Which had nothing to do with Kisame's jutsu weakening it.

 

[Touken]

Which had nothing to do with Kisame's jutsu weakening it.

It was to do with the two jutsu clashing.