Hirudora Destroyed V3 Susano'o
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@bold, that's what I was implying. He applied no pressure on Bee but he should have bounced back straight away if all Hirudora achieved was destroying Susanoo and nothing more. Alive states should be more durable than Edo states, considering Edo shinobi are made of debris and not flesh, which is far superior to the former. You reckon Lee enhanced by Kurama cloak could also bisect alive Madara? Although I agree with the thread, concussive force would remove Susanoo, bearing in mind Shinsuusenju essentially did that. Doing it over time should achieve the same result.
Actually no, the techniques are tied to the gates:
The Extreme Locus cannot be used without opening the said Gates -
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- The limit is removed to allow to Heal - the healing is also automatic - and then to further open the higher Tier Gates to use the Extreme Loctus. He cannot even do the Initial Loctus without opening the first gate:
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- All these Gates are Limit Removers.
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- Which is why the Eight Eight spells death, as the Self-Destruction of the Body is paralleled with the Extreme Limit removed, which the body can no longer support. What you are suggesting is nothing but speculation, when the manga - as these scans prove - state something completely different. Once the restrains on Gates are removed, how is the controlling the release of power? That is a huge hole in your explanation. The Gates themselves control the amount of power release, now that the restraints are gone, how is he controlling the power or anything at all, let alone the intensity of the punch which is beyond his control? Come on, even you know that given the manga scans, this doesn't make sense. It's like a car without the brakes. You can use the steering but not the brakes or the increase in speed if it is going down hill.
The manga has explained it fully and clearly.
adeshina365
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I love how you didn't even acknowledge the link I posted.
There is no 'V3" Susanoo; Susanoo's shape, size and power exist on a continuum.
adeshina365
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I don't think you understand what I'm saying.
Your thread is founded on a false notion. Once you claim that there is a "V3" Susanoo, everything else you say is pointless.
Oh, my bad.
There's certain stages of Susanoo that can be defined as versions. It's not clear-cut, but they can still be defined. With what you're saying, it implies that a rib cage Susanoo has the same tanking capabilities as a Complete Susanoo.
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Sure, for purposes of simplicity Susanoo can be loosely categorized. Though, there are situations like with the "unstabilzed" Susanoo where that level doesn't even need to be reached to access "Perfect" Susanoo.
As for your last statement, I'm not sure where I even implied that. A ribcage is only ever going to be so dense. Completed Susanoo have the advantage of muscle and skin formation.
No, a bullet is a projectile and would still blow a hole in the human so even if the human survives the hole in the body, it doesn't mean they tanked it. On the other hand, Hirudora is a wide area of effect shockwave and if it is capable of destroying susanoo, any human caught in it is going to be completely obliterated.
As for susanoo being destroyed and the mokuton's grip being loosened, you do realize Madara was pushed back a large distance and wasn't present for a good chapter before being shown again? This means he was too far to do anything so him using susanoo at that particular time wouldn't be wise.
Madara likes to instil horror in his opponents and make them suffer for as long as he can make them which is why he makes statements that he'll finish off his opponents and that he'll go all out but he only ever went all out against Hashirama. He said he'll kill Tsunade but Tsunade is still alive.
What is this? We got the panel of Hirudora destroying the V3Susanoo!
The top left panel shows the explosion and Susanoo being obliterated to the dust U_U So as I've said from the beggining, Hirudora shits on Susanoo U_U
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The top left panel shows the explosion and Susanoo being obliterated to the dust U_U So as I've said from the beggining, Hirudora shits on Susanoo U_U
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Why are people trying to use kisame as an excuse?
Was it not explicitly stated and shown that Gai's Hirudora weakened after clashing with Kisame's Daikodan?
Here we see Hirudora's Tiger mouth getting smaller and smaller as it moves forward to Kisame through the Daikodan
And if this isnt enough here we have Kisame wondering why Daikodan isnt getting absorbed despite the fact that gai's jutsu got deflated
When Hirudora finally reached Kisame, it was no more than the size of his chest or maybe even smaller
Compare this to the Hirudora that Madara was struck with
Its even bigger than his susanoo, and not only that even this hirudora is not the maximum power hirudora since the mokuton was absorbing his chakras
There is a massive power difference between the Hirudora that struck kisame and the one that struck madara and his susanoo
This is the full power Hirudora [
Was it not explicitly stated and shown that Gai's Hirudora weakened after clashing with Kisame's Daikodan?
Here we see Hirudora's Tiger mouth getting smaller and smaller as it moves forward to Kisame through the Daikodan
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And if this isnt enough here we have Kisame wondering why Daikodan isnt getting absorbed despite the fact that gai's jutsu got deflated
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When Hirudora finally reached Kisame, it was no more than the size of his chest or maybe even smaller
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Compare this to the Hirudora that Madara was struck with
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Its even bigger than his susanoo, and not only that even this hirudora is not the maximum power hirudora since the mokuton was absorbing his chakras
There is a massive power difference between the Hirudora that struck kisame and the one that struck madara and his susanoo
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] (before getting deflated by Daikodan)
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lol, and there's even more reasons as to why it wasn't as strong against Kisame.
What? Then I don't get what was the point of your initial statement.adeshina365 said:
You're acting as if the Gates are sentient and dictate whatever Gai does, which isn't the case. Yeah, you're right, the Gates are limit removers but I've already said that. Once Gai is in Gates, can he choose whether to punch someone or not? Yeah. When he does punch someone, can he choose to either punch slowly or quickly? Yeah. Can he also choose to punch someone strongly or weakly? The answer's yes again. The same principle applies to Hirudora, as naturally, the faster the punch, the stronger Hirudora becomes. So can he choose to punch very quickly to make a very strong Hirudora, or just punch quick enough to meet the minimum requirements to create Hirudora? Yeah, again. There's a bunch of reasons why Kisame survived Hirudora, refer to End of Days' post, refer to my post regarding what happens in an underwater explosion and there's also this, Gai being able to create a weak Hirudora or a strong Hirudora.
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What's not to get? For the purpose of fan simplicity Susanoo can be loosely categorized. This doesn't somehow make these categorizations correct. As I stated previously, Susanoo's form exists on a continuum and there is no "V3" Susanoo.
This is the why notion of Hirudora being able to destroy a "V3" Susanoo is fundamentally flawed. Susanoo of similar form have been showcased to vary significantly in defensive capability (hence densities differ)
@bold, no, they don't vary significantly in defensive capability. If they do vary, it's by a little, making this little debate completely pointless. V3 Susanoo is all Susanoo that look at least similar to
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in terms of size and bone density. Even though it's a loose categorization, it's not wrong.
It's the same as
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scan. Ay's attack bent susanoo but we get a panel explicitly showing us that it broke. There is nothing to indicate that susanoo was destroyed, but rather pushed back similar to what Ay did.Ay's punch didn't bend it as much as Gai's Hirudora yet it still did some damage. Now I'm thinking that susanoo did get damaged quite a bit and Madara decided to release it for convenience sake, because let's face it, what good is a broken susanoo especially when it decreases mobility and the fact Madara was pushed back where he couldn't fight against Naruto and co?