-> Hirashin users lose to EMS Madara

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LEL. That's mokuton.
Oh and about Nagato where do you suppose he got these rods from? The kokushin shop?
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I really hope that you can see these black rods, cause they are as noticeable as the light of day.
 

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Well, against those who don't have great fire power but simply hax ability/jutsu or not in large numbers Madara doesn't even need to use EMS and just use 3T along with his base skills/techs. He has good reflexes and foot speed as well as striking and sharingan so these will be enough to defeat EMS users or kamui users mid difficulty
 

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The Rinnegan was active, sure. But Madara didn't use a Dōjutsu with it(except for Rinbo Hengoku in Sasukes case)
As I said b4 the skill gap b/w Tobiama and Alive Madara was't that big as stated by Madara himself so there is noway in hell for Madara to own Tobirama that easily without using that strange Rinnegan ability.Hell,Hashirama (without an weapons) managed to fight on par with EOD Madara (with weapons) even a few movements b4 his battle with Tobirama.

End of the day:EMS Madara by no means = Rinnegan Madara that fought Tobirama so using him as an argument to say that he can own Tobirama pretty easily isn't a good argument.

Kokushin/Kuroibō:
Sorry,I wasn't familiar with the name Kokushin and Yes,it wasn't a Rinnegan ability it requires Senju and Uchiha DNA that's it.
 

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Some things are agreeable... but minato or tobirama wouldn't fall to a genjutsu being a sensor type ninja he could sense the build up of chakra before madara cast it(or simple avoids it same with tobirama) minato can teleport anything him or his chakra comes in contact with so all he has to do it throw his kunai at susanoo and he could teleport it,(like he did to the black chakra spears which are on on a much higher level than a bloodline limit or bloodline expansion)and it was proven that madara and his susanoo could become separated when garra removed him from it with his sand(why else would madara resort to using preta path when he could have simply activated susanoo again?)tobirama's ftg isn't as advanced as minato so I would know what method he would use for defeating it though I think he could find some way of getting past susanoo using his own usage of FTG.Its for certain that minato will be able to get past susanoo(plus you have to take it in to consideration that minatos clones can also use ftg, So im not saying minato or tobirama would win but they won't lose...mnato definitely has a better chance though, and because he's still faster than madara(which also plays a huge role.
 
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