salamander uchiha
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Yes the Hamura chakra acting as a block makes more sense and is far more reasonable and believable. Mightgai makes a very reasonable point if not selectively quoted it makes mores sense.
Hinata's Hamura's chakra
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Salamander.. You can look at that gif above, see the absorption clearly stop and you would tell me that the absorption was still taking place secretly?
Anyway, learn to understand before deciding to choose sides.. Gai is clearly saying that wasn't Hamura chakra :lol
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I wouldn't look at a gif I'd need to view everything to get a better picture not a partial. I don't conclude based on a partial or selective quoting.
Gai's still sounds reasonable I say that because it's been so long since I've seen the movie, I may watch the movie again to refresh everything.
-Yet you have no proof of Sakuno actually doing anything :lolI don't need to assume anything, don't worry. I already have a manga scan saying Sakumo is superior to those three, from the mouth of Minato, Jiriaya's student. An actual reliable source.
Exactly, it wasn't proven on panel, thanks for agreeing. So what makes us think Hagoromo is superior? his hype and portrayal
>Manag says Yagura is Perfect Jinchuriki
>"He is not perfect jinchuriki"
Also, no, Perfect Jinchuriki can be caught in genjutsu as seen in Bee VS Sasuke or Naruto in The Last.
Two isn't six btw
nope, that was limbo.
And yet Momoshiki with his Red Rennigan can't do so nor can Sasuke with his Tomoe Rennigan :salt:
FFS How the actual **** do you no see the hypcrisy in your nonsense?
There's no proof to the contrary to say Madara can't use all paths, but if I can't argue there's no proof to the contrary that Hinata has Hamura's chakra even though she said she does while all yhou can moan about is how maybe, probably, perhaps it's not literal? lmfao!!! What a joke!
show me scan of Madara using all six paths then.
Yata Mirror being said to be invincible is hype.
Sasuke and Kakashi's did
No she didn't. :lol If you are refering to the war, Kurama says during VOTE 2 that Naruto was drained from the war, so Sakura didn't heal all of Naruto's stamina, not to mention Kurama is also constantly healing Naruto's stamina when/if he is low.
Joke of the century XD
Yeah, she did.
I am not going to argue whether Toneri did or didn't absorb it all. That is irrelevant here/
What I WILL say is that Toneri took SO MUCH of his Chakra, regardless of whether or not it was all of it, that he couldn't stand. And this is the guy who is described as having almost infinite stamina. This is the guy keeping up his own stamina as well as an entire army. This is the guy who fought for two days in a row, yet still had enough Chakra to pull off Rikudo-tier feats.
If you honest to god still want to argue a normal Hyuga, who are not known for their stamina, can heal someone like Naruto who is on his knees due to losing so much chakra, within a few seconds and not look AT ALL tired, after which she managed to do that because she has Hamura's chakra, while Sakura took 3 days, then I am done arguing with you because facts can't get through to you otherwise.
Same damn reason Kaguya didn't use Infinte Tsukyomi again after Sasuke blocked it with Susano'O: nerfing/plot
Same damn reason Kaguya didn't send Sasuke to another dimension after Sakura/Obito saved him: nerfing/plot
Same damn reason Naruto didn't use RSM or BSM in The Last and only used KSM: nerfing/plot
Same damn reason Hinata didn't identify Obito's Sharingan as being the same as Kakashi's: nerfing/plot
I think you can get the idea, and it is really funny you are being desperate for this when this happens all the time in shonen
- Actually the "still, no" was for you
, he used his chakra to force himself back into the living like it was nothing, so yeah, he's superior than Nagato.- Problem is, perfect jinchuurikis can only be caught for seconds until their beast wakes them up, Yagura was caught like ... well, more than a few seconds, that's for sure, so, no (that one is for you as well).
- Oh really? Didn't sasuke used preta to absorb Kurama's chakra and Bansho tennin to stab Naruto with Kagutsuchi?:lol
- I'm giving you reasons (which you couldn't refute still btw) of why Naruto hadn't all his chakra / stamina drained, which in turn would mean that Hinata didn't use Hamura's chakra to refill "all" that was lost (being that one of the main discussion topics in this thread). Do answer what was Toneri absorbing after Naruto stated that all his chakra was absorbed and we may continue with that.
- Luckily for Madara, the sage wasn't called "sage of some paths"
- Hype as Sakumo being on par or better than Sannins.
- Sasuke's susano was always purple, why didn't that change to black to match black chidori? (guessing that's what you mean). Why didn't Naruto's chakra cloak change color when receiving Rikudo's power? why it didn't change to purple? :lol
- She did heal his stamina, either a lot or less, but she did, therefore "healing an uzumaki" ain't that cracked up.
- It's not irrelevant, since it's the same thing you're saying about Sakura :lol , there is a bit of difference between healing "all" and just a part (if she healed anything at all). Lol, couldn't stand? everyone that even has a tiny of their chakra absorbed has fallen to the ground, and everyone puts a disconfort face, doesn't matter the size absorbed. But you are also missing the fact that if he hasn't absorbed all of his chakra, then that means Naruto still had reserves to knead his own chakra without needing any help. As a matter of fact, he wasn't even near of fainting when Toneri stopped the absorption (unlike the first time when the orb went right through him) and was more surprised to see Hinata than showing discomfort from having his chakra absorbed.
If you want to look all riled up and throw a tantrum about something being so logical and stuff, you cannot say that the amount of chakra Toneri absorbed the second time is "irrelevant", it is all that matters since it really is a breaking point between Hamura's-chakra-fully-restoring-uzumaki feats or Hamura's-descendant-chakra-shielding-from-absorption feat. Do chose what you want to argue for :lol
- At the very least team 7 had a defense against Infinite Tsukuyomi, Naruto didn't against Toneri absorption. Also, they were battling across dimensions, the Infinite Tsukuyomi could only be used on the original one.
- The second Kaguya opens a dimension, Obito's Kamui can sync with it (as he explained) and can keep the portal open for Sasuke to get out like he did the first time. Sakura even had the Byakugou if needed to be used to heal Obito. Again, there is a counter for that (if she even manages to catch him unaware again, as she tried to do the same with Naruto and he dodged her, while at the same time he stated that he didn't knew where she would pop up next).
- Naruto cannot use Rikudo's chakra anymore. That was a temporal power up given by Rikudo Sennin that went away when they captured Kaguya. As explained above, Sasuke is different because when Kabuto healed him, he used hashirama's cells, so he qualifies for Rinnegan. If he even has any, he should had used it in the fight against Toneri when the latter did pull out the gudoudamas since he had no reason to not use it (altough it would be correct to say that he had all the reasons to use it). Proper Rikudo's chakra (not pieces of it like Kakashi had) is shown with the manifestation of Gudoudamas. Anything less doesn't qualify, and he hasn't been seen using it in the last two movies or either in Boruto, so as of december 9th of 2017, there isn't any proof he can use it anymore.
- And ... ?
Also, I love how you claim plot plot plot plot and other non-story elements devices to justify that, but a studio changing colors of twin lions (which we don't have a reference in manga about it's true color), in the same movie that portrays a normal rasengan yellow for no reason whatsover after 15 years of normal blue rasengans in animations (and not only from Naruto) must be due to hamura's chakra, like we have never seen purple chakra before ...
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Read what she says when Naruto is about to use rasengan on Tenseigan. Her chakra wouldn't be absorbed due to her being Hamura's descendant. Assuming the green orb from Toneri ,among other characteristics, has the same curse / works the same way, then in fact she shielded him from further absorption.
Why didn't Naruto's chakra from that attack got absorbed? cause it was merged with Hinata's chakra.
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Absorption starts
Absorption stops
Naruto staggers.. Please give me a reason as to why Kurama's aura disappears and no other form of chakra is shown being absorbed as you say?
Assuming :lol
Either way, let me get this straight one last time. After the aura disappears, absorption was still going on right?
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True, I agree-Yet you have no proof of Sakuno actually doing anything :lol
- Actually the "still, no" was for you
- Problem is, perfect jinchuurikis can only be caught for seconds until their beast wakes them up, Yagura was caught like ... well, more than a few seconds, that's for sure, so, no (that one is for you as well).
- Oh really? Didn't sasuke used preta to absorb Kurama's chakra and Bansho tennin to stab Naruto with Kagutsuchi?:lol
- I'm giving you reasons (which you couldn't refute still btw) of why Naruto hadn't all his chakra / stamina drained, which in turn would mean that Hinata didn't use Hamura's chakra to refill "all" that was lost (being that one of the main discussion topics in this thread). Do answer what was Toneri absorbing after Naruto stated that all his chakra was absorbed and we may continue with that.
- Luckily for Madara, the sage wasn't called "sage of some paths"
- Hype as Sakumo being on par or better than Sannins.
- Sasuke's susano was always purple, why didn't that change to black to match black chidori? (guessing that's what you mean). Why didn't Naruto's chakra cloak change color when receiving Rikudo's power? why it didn't change to purple? :lol
- She did heal his stamina, either a lot or less, but she did, therefore "healing an uzumaki" ain't that cracked up.
- It's not irrelevant, since it's the same thing you're saying about Sakura :lol , there is a bit of difference between healing "all" and just a part (if she healed anything at all). Lol, couldn't stand? everyone that even has a tiny of their chakra absorbed has fallen to the ground, and everyone puts a disconfort face, doesn't matter the size absorbed. But you are also missing the fact that if he hasn't absorbed all of his chakra, then that means Naruto still had reserves to knead his own chakra without needing any help. As a matter of fact, he wasn't even near of fainting when Toneri stopped the absorption (unlike the first time when the orb went right through him) and was more surprised to see Hinata than showing discomfort from having his chakra absorbed.
If you want to look all riled up and throw a tantrum about something being so logical and stuff, you cannot say that the amount of chakra Toneri absorbed the second time is "irrelevant", it is all that matters since it really is a breaking point between Hamura's-chakra-fully-restoring-uzumaki feats or Hamura's-descendant-chakra-shielding-from-absorption feat. Do chose what you want to argue for :lol
- At the very least team 7 had a defense against Infinite Tsukuyomi, Naruto didn't against Toneri absorption. Also, they were battling across dimensions, the Infinite Tsukuyomi could only be used on the original one.
- The second Kaguya opens a dimension, Obito's Kamui can sync with it (as he explained) and can keep the portal open for Sasuke to get out like he did the first time. Sakura even had the Byakugou if needed to be used to heal Obito. Again, there is a counter for that (if she even manages to catch him unaware again, as she tried to do the same with Naruto and he dodged her, while at the same time he stated that he didn't knew where she would pop up next).
- Naruto cannot use Rikudo's chakra anymore. That was a temporal power up given by Rikudo Sennin that went away when they captured Kaguya. As explained above, Sasuke is different because when Kabuto healed him, he used hashirama's cells, so he qualifies for Rinnegan. If he even has any, he should had used it in the fight against Toneri when the latter did pull out the gudoudamas since he had no reason to not use it (altough it would be correct to say that he had all the reasons to use it). Proper Rikudo's chakra (not pieces of it like Kakashi had) is shown with the manifestation of Gudoudamas. Anything less doesn't qualify, and he hasn't been seen using it in the last two movies or either in Boruto, so as of december 9th of 2017, there isn't any proof he can use it anymore.
- And ... ?
Also, I love how you claim plot plot plot plot and other non-story elements devices to justify that, but a studio changing colors of twin lions (which we don't have a reference in manga about it's true color), in the same movie that portrays a normal rasengan yellow for no reason whatsover after 15 years of normal blue rasengans in animations (and not only from Naruto) must be due to hamura's chakra, like we have never seen purple chakra before ...
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salamander uchiha
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I need to watch the movie again, I'll judge it on the whole of what it said and displayed not on a partial. I'm not going to conclude based on 1 part. What I will say is if somebody is out of chakra two things I've seen happen they die or they're out cold. If either of those 2 happened then naruto was out of chakra if not then he wasn't.
Then please, do tell what you mean by this post
but you still haven't answered what was Toneri absorbing if, at the beginning, Naruto stated that all of his chakra "was" absorbed perhaps Toneri didn't absorb it all and Hinata, in turn, hasn't restored it all and just shielded him from further absorption?
1 part? That's the only part where Hinata replenishes him. And the gif is the full scene from beginning of absorption to end. What are you talking about?
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And ok. :elmo:
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Yeah I need to see everything not 1 scene
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And ok. :elmo:[/QUOTE]
Yeah completely empty is what happens when kakashi runs out. Or Sasuke and Naruto are out cold at the end. That's completely empty not this, kurama still exists to heal and restore chakra naruto has internal kyubi chakra as well separate from his external/cloak form. Even Sasuke's not completely empty in this scan.
I could give him a colored scan from shueisha that Hinata's chakra colour was blue vs Pain.. but i'm just sure he's just going to bring up more excuses :lol
Sasuke's not completely empty.. interesting. That's why he was retreating when Itachi was advancing on him right? Naruto says he's completely empty but you are here denying this and even Gaara becomes immobile alluding this but no they still had chakra? Jesus.. i haven't seen denial like this since Zack :lol
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I meant that Toneri didn't keep absorbing Naruto's chakra after Hinata shared hers with him. Let me try this in the most easy to comprehend way:
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(it's 18mb worth of gif, give it a while to load).
I even took the liberty to remove the subs. Explain in detail what do you see and if it's any different than this:
Cause between us, the only one with arguments is me
Stop trying to twist. Kurama's aura disappears meaning absorption stopped.. And you said yes. So how would Hinata stop absorption if absorption wasn't taking place in the first place? :lol
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This is what happens when your completely empty.
The fact that Sasuke was still in cursed seal state means he had chakra.
Not twisting anything, just showing you that what naruto said in the first place cannot be "all my chakra was absorbed", since as you can see, Toneri kept absorbing his chakra till the end :lol oh, so know you're trying to say that the absorption stopped when he lost the cloak? and all those red threads still coming out from Naruto wasn't Kurama's chakra, right? :lol
As I said, she stopped further absorption. If she indeed healed him to full, there was no valid reason for Toneri not doing the absorption again. He didn't, cause he couldn't, cause Hinata prevented that based on what she says when they are about to destroy the Tenseigan.
BTW, you didn't explain what happened in that scene. Take your time, consult with your fanbase buddies and come up with something that makes sense both with what Naruto says and what happens there :snick:
My bad. When Sasuke was retreating for his life, he still had Chakra but the moment he hit that rock and Itachi touched him, all that chakra suddenly disappeared. Noted, thanks.
Excuse Reason for Gaara?
The bold can't be real. You're trolling right? Are you aware how many scenarios can be questioned from the entire show based on that logic?
And those red threads are what i refer to as Kurama aura that you can clearly see disappear indicating absorption stopped.
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Chakra comes from stamina sasuke had enough to move around once he was completely depleted he collapsed.
Gaara is the same as Naruto he's a jin any way I'm pretty sure he couldn't move towards the endo of his fight either.
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Well doesn't the first paragraph contradict your own post :lol
I need to watch the movie again, I'll judge it on the whole of what it said and displayed not on a partial. I'm not going to conclude based on 1 part. What I will say is if somebody is out of chakra two things I've seen happen they die or they're out cold. If either of those 2 happened then naruto was out of chakra if not then he wasn't.
If you followed the thread, the proof Gai uses is Ebisu's statement and Ebisu clearly has a Jinchuriki die as the example.
Next excuse?