Hinata should have been part of team 7

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why not Vap =D

 

[1Told]

I'd imagine Hinata threatening Sasuke with pain of death if he ever stepped out of line again and tried to hurt her Naruto-kun or friend Sakura. "I've got my byakugan on you Uchiha boy" >_>

If only Hinata was so bold.

like RtN Hinata? nah please, i think they would just be fine, like distant relatives with the same introvert personality and sharing the same love for their dear Naruto.

Hinata would make Sasuke feel guilty very fast and they would probably be jealous and acting like idiots for Naruto's attention, rivals in love for sure autoplay

 

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like RtN Hinata? nah please, i think they would just be fine, like distant relatives with the same introvert personality and sharing the same love for their dear Naruto.

Hinata would make Sasuke feel guilty very fast and they would probably be jealous and acting like idiots for Naruto's attention, rivals in love for sure autoplay

u think Hinata will act like a $lut at age of 12 lmao

 

[Made in Heaven]

That makes her a well-written character, or relevant to the plot?

Never said it did. You said she has no motivation to get better and I proved your ass wrong.

The motivation that didn't allow her to climb a wall in The Last or the motivation where she pitifully managed 64 palms, or the motivation where she still hasn't managed to do something useful against an opponent to move the plot, or that she still doesn't know rotation? Take your pick.

What wall? She managed 64 palms, and in 10 years, there's no way any sane person would assume she can't do it properly. She has moved the plot, both in 437 and 615 and the last. You don't know whether she knows Rotation or not.

Other than 64 palms in 2.5 years and one right of passage technique which Sasuke managed at 8? So she never did truly climbed out of that mediocre rut?

64 palms, along with Air Palm and Twin Lion fists. Where did Sasuke even come from? What right of passage? I never said she was more than mediocre.

All students train themselves through their teachers. She isn't a special case.

Again, I never said that it did Lol . You said she disregards being a shinobi and I proved your ass wrong.

What makes this 'trying to improve herself' nonsense a factor in her relevance to the plot in general?

Again, never said it does. You said she doesn't care about being a shinobi and I showed you were wrong, since she has trained hard to improve as a shinobi

Twin Lion fists is a Head Branch technique. Sasuke learned one when he was 8. Get back to me when she actually does something decent.

Not my point again. My point in bringing up TLS is that she spent time training and learning new techniques, so she did care about being a decent shinobi, which you claim other wise. And how dumb are you, comparing a main character to a side charcacter? XD

How nice of her to expand her fighting radius by a couple of milimeters and still be at the same spot - the bottom of K-11 barrel.

She went from genin to chunnin, that's not called staying at the same spot XD

She's not at the bottom of the list. She could beat Tenten, Ino, Shikamaru, Sai, Shino, and possibly Sakura, Choji and Neji.

When that's all on her mind? Yeah.

Except it isn't, as shown when she worries over Shino, gives Medicine to Kiba and Akamaru, spends time with her family and team mates, goes for a walk with her team mates, worries over Ko, protects Neji, saves the alliance, cries over Neji, carries on his will, cheers Kiba up, dreams of Neji and Hanabi alongside Naruto, takes care of her daughter, tributes her son's name to Neji, saves Hanabi, saves the world, shows concern over Toneri, and retrieves Hanabi's eyes.

Becoming a mother is character development. Listen to this rubbish, folks.

for the billionth time, never claimed that was character development. You said she has never moved forward in any spheres of life, and I pointed out that she has become a mother. Take your head out of your ass for a change.

Saving the world from destruction is something Naruto did as well, and as the editors state, he never developed from his original introduction in part one.

Again, never claimed her saving the world is character development. You said she never moved forward in any spheres of life, and I pointed out she ended up saving the world.

Naruto has developed from part 1. There's no reason to say such a thing after all we've seen him go through. It may be bad development, but it's still there. An editor's opinion is just that, an opinion. He's human as well.

Saving the world isn't development, in fact, it just plunged her more into the trope category. As if she didn't have enough of those backing her.

So you're mad because she falls under a trope?? WTF!? Every charcater falls under a trope no matter what, even Sasuke does XD

Yet, still at the bottom of the barrel. Besides, I have covered most points for this above. Do give them a look.

Again, not my point. you claimed she was wasting time, and I proved you wrong by showing you what she's improved. Never said she wasn't still low tier.

Doesn't seem that way to me, when the entirety of The Last's plot was to culminate in their romance. She didn't have any individuality bar you parroting her desire to learn more. This is the same as having little Self.

I know. but even so, she does not live for Naruto.

She is a shinobi so she had to be called out to duty. So did nameless fodders as well. Every one was contributing in war. Is that some sort of argument? She said she wants to contribute so all hail Hinata?

Not my point. You said she has no citadel of shinobi values, and again I proved you wrong by using this moment as well as other examples as proof of this.

No one does a technique perfectly the second time. Not even Sasuke. This is a minute thing, when all you have been *****ing about is her grand ability 'to over-come things, to always fight, to keep improving'? Take your drab reasoning elsewhere, honestly. I am tired of you Hinata apologists.

10 years should be plenty then, right ? Lol

None of these have anything to do with character development. You can't be this daft. By god ... Many became Chunin, Sakura became a Jounin, she must have reached the pinnacle of CD in your humble opinion. Listen to this, being a princess and getting praised by someone is character development. Hilarious. Being an heir is also a important dimension in personality. Ingrates. I suggest you read some books and give up the trash character that is called Hinata, as your brain seems addled. I don't think I can digest any more of this absurdity. This is insane

Not my point. You said she was a failure as a ninja, and I simply disproved that bullshit statement. Never said any of that applied to her character development.

No, she wasn't. She was chugged out because she was useless. Her fault, really.

Nope, it was because she was hesitant and unwilling to go through with the training altogether because of her gentle nature, not because she was useless.

It does, because she was forced onto the main front for a pairing. That's Kishimoto's statement. Then you people whine how everyone is unjust, when even Neji was killed to validate her little importance and turn NH into a pairing.

fair point.

Getting Naruto was a character development. In fact, she ended up with him because of popular opinion. Kishimoto's own words, not mine. Neji was also killed for NH. Again, the author's words, not mine. Stronger is such an overreaching and bad term for her. Very slightly improved over the course of three years? That would be appropriate. Good Shinbi? I don't think so.

Nope, Kishi said he'd planned NH for a long time, and this is backed up by hinata's early sketch.

I know.

no, the term suits her well. She went from perhaps being the weakest genin in K11 to being around jonin level. As a side character, that is more than enough. And how is she not a good shinobi? I'm all ears.

Akamaru is on the panels as well, so is Kiba, so is Chouji, so is Ino etc etc. They all are so relevant to the plot as well. Your reasoning is so amusing.

Not my point. You said Hinata is irrelevant, when she has had around 4-5 meaningful moments in the canon story line, had a movie based around her family history, and was front and center on a volume cover. Moreover, any charcater that makes it on panel is not irrelevant. I never said she was relevant to the plot, because she isn't, as that would apply to only about 20 characters overall.

Learn to read - Tropes bring the plot down. She's just one of them. Why do you Hinata fans have such poor reading comprehension?

Lol Every story follows tropes. Even Sasuke's charcater is a trope. Get off your high horse. and tropes bringing a plot down is just your opinion, so don't state it like it's fact. I happen to like tropes.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

She's not at the bottom of the list. She could beat Tenten, Ino, Shikamaru, Sai, Shino, and possibly Sakura, Choji and Neji.

Loved your post in the other thread.

A fair comparison of Sakura and Hinata's reflexes can be found in chapter 614.

In Sakura's case, she is unable to react to a wooden spike coming her way, and has to be pulled aside by Kakashi.

In Hinata's case, She is able to react and counter a wooden spike coming her way.

These two instances show that Hinata's reflexes are superior to Sakura's.

Not my point. You said she was a failure as a ninja, and I simply disproved that bullshit statement. Never said any of that applied to her character development.

This is the same guy that actually said that Part 1 Naruto can beat Hiruzen in another thread, despite the fact he was shown to be more powerful than a Kyuubi cloaked army.
XD

 

[Made in Heaven]

Loved your post in the other thread.





This is the same guy that actually said that Part 1 Naruto can beat Hiruzen in another thread, despite the fact he was shown to be more powerful than a Kyuubi cloaked army.
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Not surprised tbh U_U

 

[shelke]

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Never said it did. You said she has no motivation to get better and I proved your ass wrong.

What wall? She managed 64 palms, and in 10 years, there's no way any sane person would assume she can't do it properly. She has moved the plot, both in 437 and 615 and the last. You don't know whether she knows Rotation or not.

64 palms, along with Air Palm and Twin Lion fists. Where did Sasuke even come from? What right of passage? I never said she was more than mediocre.



Again, I never said that it did Lol . You said she disregards being a shinobi and I proved your ass wrong.



Again, never said it does. You said she doesn't care about being a shinobi and I showed you were wrong, since she has trained hard to improve as a shinobi



Not my point again. My point in bringing up TLS is that she spent time training and learning new techniques, so she did care about being a decent shinobi, which you claim other wise. And how dumb are you, comparing a main character to a side charcacter? XD



She went from genin to chunnin, that's not called staying at the same spot XD

She's not at the bottom of the list. She could beat Tenten, Ino, Shikamaru, Sai, Shino, and possibly Sakura, Choji and Neji.



Except it isn't, as shown when she worries over Shino, gives Medicine to Kiba and Akamaru, spends time with her family and team mates, goes for a walk with her team mates, worries over Ko, protects Neji, saves the alliance, cries over Neji, carries on his will, cheers Kiba up, dreams of Neji and Hanabi alongside Naruto, takes care of her daughter, tributes her son's name to Neji, saves Hanabi, saves the world, shows concern over Toneri, and retrieves Hanabi's eyes.



for the billionth time, never claimed that was character development. You said she has never moved forward in any spheres of life, and I pointed out that she has become a mother. Take your head out of your ass for a change.

Again, never claimed her saving the world is character development. You said she never moved forward in any spheres of life, and I pointed out she ended up saving the world.

Naruto has developed from part 1. There's no reason to say such a thing after all we've seen him go through. It may be bad development, but it's still there. An editor's opinion is just that, an opinion. He's human as well.



So you're mad because she falls under a trope?? WTF!? Every charcater falls under a trope no matter what, even Sasuke does XD



Again, not my point. you claimed she was wasting time, and I proved you wrong by showing you what she's improved. Never said she wasn't still low tier.



I know. but even so, she does not live for Naruto.



Not my point. You said she has no citadel of shinobi values, and again I proved you wrong by using this moment as well as other examples as proof of this.



10 years should be plenty then, right ? Lol



Not my point. You said she was a failure as a ninja, and I simply disproved that bullshit statement. Never said any of that applied to her character development.



Nope, it was because she was hesitant and unwilling to go through with the training altogether because of her gentle nature, not because she was useless.



fair point.



Nope, Kishi said he'd planned NH for a long time, and this is backed up by hinata's early sketch.

I know.

no, the term suits her well. She went from perhaps being the weakest genin in K11 to being around jonin level. As a side character, that is more than enough. And how is she not a good shinobi? I'm all ears.



Not my point. You said Hinata is irrelevant, when she has had around 4-5 meaningful moments in the canon story line, had a movie based around her family history, and was front and center on a volume cover. Moreover, any charcater that makes it on panel is not irrelevant. I never said she was relevant to the plot, because she isn't, as that would apply to only about 20 characters overall.



Lol Every story follows tropes. Even Sasuke's charcater is a trope. Get off your high horse. and tropes bringing a plot down is just your opinion, so don't state it like it's fact. I happen to like tropes.

Beyond Naruto? Little to none. You proved literally nothing with that long pile of nauseating rubbish. Looks like it didn't stop you to type it again.

In ten years? Is that how you calculate her development, that won't happen on Manga pages but in your fan-fiction? Please, open my eyes as to how she moved the plot in both the chapters. Looks like you don't even know how 'Plot' moves.

Your typically baseless arguments didn't prove anyone wrong. If she had such a large motivation, then the improvement should have been substantial as well. As it is with Sakura, with no special clan behind her. She got to where she is on her own hard work and yes, good motivation. Perhaps it is time to hit good books and actually read where characters that are steadfast end up in the end.

Twin Lion fists is a right of passage Hyuga technique. Air palm is a typical technique as well. It's like suggesting that Sasuke did anything special by learning Great Fire Ball technique. Oh wait, he learned it at 7. When Hinata managed a 64 Palm technique at 17. What a achievement from her, when her cousin, also from the branch family did it at 13, along with Kaiten and the other advanced Hyuga techniques. Why don't your stop defending her shitty and worthless progress? It's getting a little cheap.

A girl that cannot even climb a wall? Wow, that's shinobi development right there. Her poor progress shows how much she even wanted to improve as a shinobi. I don't really give a damn about her cheap, rehashed, poor monologues when her progress is proof enough of it. Also, learn a bit of reading comprehension, as my entire post boils down to character relevance to the plot.

I would take the Editor's opinions over yours and the typical Hinata apologists any day. Naruto never developed, and it is now just a fact. Hinata's popularity made him kill off Neji and create the pairing. There is an interview of the author on this as well. That's probably character development and plot relevance as well. Please, stop fishing in your hindquarters and read. Read carefully.

10 years? Yeah, we should wait for your writing ability to slightly improve, and then you can throw a fan-fiction in our mugs. Does it happen in the manga? Then it doesn't concern me.

Go and read about tropes and stock characters. Sasuke checks out the least number of boxes as he encompasses both Classical and Modern Tragedies' antagonists. See? You people don't know a thing about this.

You disproved me? Couldn't climb a wall, when genins can. Managed a 64 palms at 17, when a guy from a lesser branch managed it in his childhood. You stating that she learned a Right of Passage technique, when people like Sasuke did so at 7 makes her even more of a joke. When will this tower of bull-shit crumble? It's getting hilarious. You probably don't know the first thing about what a good shinobi translates into.

Nope:

In a recent interview Kishimoto revealed that Kabuto and Orochimaru (and other lesser characters) will be making a return in the Naruto mini-series, which could explain why they did not make an appearance in the ending of Naruto Shippuden (see point 10).

This is an apparent translated summary of the recent interview:

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1.When Kishimoto first created Naruto, he was inspired by a roadside ramen stall, and so he wanted to write about a youth eating ramen. While his theme was considered questionable, in the end it was able to get serialized.

2.The Fourth Hokage's appearance was inspired by combining Kiba and Akamaru's appearance.

3.Before the Chunnin exams, Kishimoto originally wanted to draw a few more missions, but due to the vastness of the Naruto universe and its many characters, Kishimoto asked his assistant for help in creating some of the characters, which resulted in the creation of Rock Lee, who is based on Jackie Chan.

4. Due to the regulations associated with the Animation industry, Kishimoto was told that Shikamaru's smoking wouldn't be allowed, although Kishimoto did it anyway. Additionally, he tried to make Hidan's design look less intimidating.

5. The reason why Kishimoto decided not to have Jiraiya return using Edo Tensei was because he felt as though Jiraiya's death was spectacular, and as such, it would have been hard to draw Naruto's reaction to seeing him.

6. Kishimoto was troubled by Sakura's lack of popularity among the readers. In trying to increase her popularity, whenever he was drawing the covers, Kishimoto spent extra time drawing and re-drawing Sakura, worried that he would make her ugly.

Also, Hinata's popularity, despite being a secondary character, had once caused Kishimoto to have the idea of turning Hinata into the main heroine of the story.

7. Kishimoto had planned to let Neji die so that Naruto and Hinata could get closer to one another, which was why Hinata brought her daughter to visit his grave in chapter 700, and why Naruto's son, Boruto and Neji had the same meaning. Kishimoto said, "I needed a factor for Hinata to become more like Naruto's heroine so I made Neji act as a Cupid...."

8. Each time Naruto knocked out his enemies, Kishimoto would draw the shot from several different angles, which was inspired by Jackie Chan's martial arts films. Also, when doing these knockout scenes, Kishimoto doesn't like to draw the characters' face, as he feels as though revealing the faces would diminish the impact of the attack and the artwork.

9. At the end of the Naruto and Sasuke fight, the original intention was that they finished while holding hands, but Kishimoto changed his mind and cut their hands instead, making the ending more gory.

10. After introducing next year's movie and the Naruto exhibition 2015, Kishimoto also revealed that Orochimaru, Kabuto, and other lesser characters would be re-appearing in the Boruto series, in order to finish the main plot. After that, Kishi says he will be taking time off in order to relax, as well as get together with his assistant to discuss details of his next series. It is unclear whether the new series will be based on ninjas or a totally new theme/

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Also, Hinata's popularity, despite being a secondary character, had once caused Kishimoto to have the idea of turning Hinata into the main heroine of the story.

7. Kishimoto had planned to let Neji die so that Naruto and Hinata could get closer to one another, which was why Hinata brought her daughter to visit his grave in chapter 700, and why Naruto's son, Boruto and Neji had the same meaning. Kishimoto said, "I needed a factor for Hinata to become more like Naruto's heroine so I made Neji act as a Cupid...."

Anything else? Let's hear more of your petty excuses. When this is the author's statement. Something I have been repeatedly saying for a long time, ever since NH happened. Try to slink around this. Your'll only embarrass yourself, like you have been for the past year over Hinata on NB. As if that would be something new for you.

Yes, she is completely irrelevant, all stock and trope characters always are. You know what; get yourself a decent Literary Dictionary and spare me this headache. You have no clue how easily replaceable characters like the ones I listed are in a plot. There are merely created to make a certain narrative crowded. They have zero relevance beyond that. Her slap and confession are by no means plot relevant actions, as the sheer vastness of Naruto Manga alone downplays their importance, nor did they have any impact on Naruto's personality.

Actually, Sasuke isn't. He may follow some conventions, but as I said above, a character amalgamating two different Tragedy conventions is a gem in itself. You would have known that, had you ever read any Tragedy. Also, the critics who developed the schools' of thought for literary criticism over the course of several hundred years agree with me. You? You are just a lame Hinata fan, whose opinions are steered by her poor poor poor choice in characters.

Get back to me when you develop good taste, and thank you, I'll stay perched on my high horse. The view is nice from up here. You know, I love this pitiful come back for the general ignorant lot here. When they are out of arguments and run into a brick wall, they resort to that. Funny.

Loved your post in the other thread.

This is the same guy that actually said that Part 1 Naruto can beat Hiruzen in another thread, despite the fact he was shown to be more powerful than a Kyuubi cloaked army.
XD

Why don't you read the manga, especially part one and not throw these Edo feats at everyone in such a desperate manner? Yeah, I still stand by that statement.

 

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@shelke
ignore Hinata wankers and their posts becoz they r always iced with horrible fanfics

 

[Zee U]

I pretty much agree with all Shelke said (and i don't know when i liked that other post, but i surely didn't intend to). Even if she became a member of team 7 she would have remained a poor character like now, due to her nearly non existant characterization and Kishimoto, that doesn't know how to write women. A male Hyuga would have been way better in my opinion, potential and connections with the Ootsutsukis ( Naruto and Sasuke are connected to Hagoromo, he would be connected to Hamura/another son and Kaguya).

 

[paratise]

She's not at the bottom of the list. She could beat Tenten, Ino, Shikamaru, Sai, Shino, and possibly Sakura, Choji and Neji.

Lol

OT: Going back to OP this is basicly fanfic vs what we see as canon. Any fanfic character can be the way you like it to be better. Hinata is what author have shown about her and that's who she is. We are not blind to potential just because we do not agree with your fanfics.

 

[1Told]

u think Hinata will act like a $lut at age of 12 lmao

wut?
you should stop watching porn and reading threads at the same time :|

 

[Conspirator.]

Lol

OT: Going back to OP this is basicly fanfic vs what we see as canon. Any fanfic character can be the way you like it to be better. Hinata is what author have shown about her and that's who she is. We are not blind to potential just because we do not agree with your fanfics.

Well of course Hinata is the fanfiction queen, as like I've said before-everything about her sucks in canon.

 

[Koshej]

Non-fanfiction (aka logical) points of PRO Hinata-on-T7:
*Expanding the Ootsutsuki (Kaguya Arc) story using someone who actually IS related to them, instead of a random genetic fodder in plot armor.
*Exposing her to Naruto early and drastically would lead her to change at a much faster pace; might lead to a much stronger and more interesting Hinata.
*Possible non-red herring shipping (aka obvious from the start); I really think that sometimes extensive shipping teasing ruins the story badly; enables to focus more on the actual story and features, instead of dead horse wanking.
Maybe something more, can't remember.

 

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wut?
you should stop watching porn and reading threads at the same time :|

Yeah
Hinata has better chances of being good heroine in porn

 

[Silverforsakenhamster]

Well this is pointless in the fact that Hinata married the main character so it really doesn't matter.

 

[Jimmy page]

Yea she should have been the main heroine. It would have added more intensity to the neji fight as well as force kishi to dedicate more development to the hyuga clan. The way he handled them was bs. They got shafted.

 

[LeSauce]

She wouldn't be any better. Kishi's skill at writing females isn't going to just automatically increase because you change the female character.

 

[6pathsNaruto]

I think the current Team 7 was the right choice, he needed someone to keep the other teammates at bay and unified. I love Hinata, but she would be able to fill that role. Due to her own father talking down to her and treating her like a servant than a person. It still gets me when he tells her to have the tea and food ready at the normal time for him and Neji to eat, when he have servants that do those things. Then, tells her not to get in their way during the mission. A mission with all guys would lead to an early death for all of them, because of them trying to showoff. Sakura was the only one would protect the mission after Sasuke and Naruto ran off.

 

[AceisSpaz]

Nice thread and responses...but don't expect too much out of Kishi if this were to ever happen ^^;

Here are my thoughts

If Hinata were to be in team 7 then Kishomoto would change the story of Naruto to better suit the three bloodlines. There probably wouldn't even be a Kaguya, or any asspull that he pulled in the series as he couldn't kill x character and y character. Hinata wouldn't be as timid as I'm sure he would think about what we would like in a heroine or one of his editors.

She would actually pull sasuke and naruto apart because like someone said in this thread (or some other) Sasuke might begin to like Hinata as she would be the only girl to never drool over him, and Naruto would want to battle for Hinata's attention because Kishi likes his parallels and shit. he'd connect their affections and love to something that'll do with their reincarnations or something else. If he the editor who was with him first suggested the love triangle, kish would go with this. Otherwise, Hinata would have a crush on oblivious Naruto with the series continuing like so, and ending like so

However! I would rather want Hinata, Naruto and Rock Lee in a team. the true underdogs in the series to be up against Neji, Sasuke, and Sakura, the team of smarts

 

[Brünhild]

No, I can't see Hinata bonding with other Team 7 members besides Naruto. Imagine, how could be her bond with Sasuke, for example? Both barely talk, Hinata was a shy and insecure girl and Sasuke a little arrogant brat who tried to seem cool and cold all the time. Since the main theme is about Team 7 bonds and bringing Sasuke back, in order to fit Hinata as a main character, Kishi should have changed a lot the story and its course or focused more on Hyuugas instead of Uchihas, and it sucks. If he had made Hinata the main heroine without changing the plot that much she would be a bad developed main heroine as Sakura.