Heroine Hated? Try Making her Prettier!

[MAN OF SIN]

Should have done this.

I would have made them both the heroines and done this:

-Hinata

Have an arc that explores the connection between the Hyuuga and Uchiha, with Hinata and Sasuke as the stars where they develop a kinship due to their sibling issues. Hinata gets a power up by unlocking a Hyuuga equalvient of Susanoo through combining Sasuke's Uchiha genes with her's, similar to the original concept of Izangai. Her Susanoo would be in the shape of a lion similar to Naruto's kyuubi avatar. Symbolizing the aspect she shares with Naruto and Sasuke.

This would give her underdog story some closure and satisfy her fans.

-Sakura

Have her develop the Yin Seal over the time-skip instead of being an asspull in the war. Then have an arc focusing on Sakura training with Lee on how to use the gates. With Sakura using the seal's regenerative ability to overcome the damaging drawbacks. Proving Rock Lee's point about hardwork. I would have Sakura end up with Lee as they both represent human weakness.

Rock Lee is a popular character so the readers would be interested in the arc and this would develop him as well. It would also boost Sakura's popularity and give her some self-respect in the end unlike the canon story.

 

[rollin]

No
He didn't expand much on Sakura because the readers didn't like her

 

[SkillMillTill]

Omggg if he didn't do these interviews, you guys wouldn't be saying this. Just keep on thinking how you guys were. Everyone has intentions. Some worked some didn't thank goodness his didnt.

 

[Chie]

Omggg if he didn't do these interviews, you guys wouldn't be saying this. Just keep on thinking how you guys were. Everyone has intentions. Some worked some didn't thank goodness his didnt.

People are simply pointing out how it's not the brightest idea to draw a character in a "prettier way" in order to garner fans. It doesn't work, something he learned himself.

And to be honest, it's ridiculous to completely make known one's intent within interviews like this. He could have come up with something else to say. However, he did not and as a result berated several characters whilst not caring. It seems as though he does not even have respect for some of his own literary works.

 

[SkillMillTill]

People are simply pointing out how it's not the brightest idea to draw a character in a "prettier way" in order to garner fans. It doesn't work, something he learned himself.

And to be honest, it's ridiculous to completely make known one's intent within interviews like this. He could have come up with something else to say. However, he did not and as a result berated several characters whilst not caring. It seems as though he does not even have respect for some of his own literary works.

I think that that's a very plausible idea. I mean look at so many hinata fans who like her just cause she has big boobies. I think the problem is that kishi is revealing too much without knowing that his western fans are cry babies

 

[Gary777]

People are simply pointing out how it's not the brightest idea to draw a character in a "prettier way" in order to garner fans. It doesn't work, something he learned himself.

And to be honest, it's ridiculous to completely make known one's intent within interviews like this. He could have come up with something else to say. However, he did not and as a result berated several characters whilst not caring. It seems as though he does not even have respect for some of his own literary works.

lying to the fans would be even worse thing to do ... its his story it gives him every right to make his favee character of imagination hero's gf or so ... everyone would have done the same just think about it .... would u prefer an not so good looking character to be hero's gf or wife ??
KISHI ONCE SAID SAKURA WAS JUST A SIMPLE GIRL AND IN THE END SHE WAS ..... ITS THE SAKURA FANS WHO CREATE SUCH TROLLING N BLAMING KISHI FOR THEIR FANTASIES

 

[Chie]

I think that that's a very plausible idea. I mean look at so many hinata fans who like her just cause she has big boobies. I think the problem is that kishi is revealing too much without knowing that his western fans are cry babies

No, it's not. The Japanese find Hinata's gentle disposition to be more respectable than Sakura's attitude as well. Hinata also became popular in part one as well, before being used for any type of fan service.

Point is, he could have done something else. Kishimoto can write decent male characters, why can't he write decent female ones? Tsunade was good, Chiyo was okay, Konan was tolerable, Kushina was nice given the limited screen time she got.

It doesn't look like a lack of ability on his part. More like a lack of interest in all honesty.

lying to the fans would be even worse thing to do ... its his story it gives him every right to make his favee character of imagination hero's gf or so ... everyone would have done the same just think about it .... would u prefer an not so good looking character to be hero's gf or wife ??
KISHI ONCE SAID SAKURA WAS JUST A SIMPLE GIRL AND IN THE END SHE WAS ..... ITS THE SAKURA FANS WHO CREATE SUCH TROLLING N BLAMING KISHI FOR THEIR FANTASIES

The guy has been known to troll in his interviews before. He stated back in 2007 or 2008 that Anko was his fave female character due to her "special relationship" with Orochimaru.

He can still tell the truth without bashing his characters. He could just say that he tried his best with Sakura but sadly she was not as well-received as she should have been. End it there. No use on continuing and saying he tried to make her look like Cristina Ricci and what not.

Sakura does not represent a simple girl though. No female character does in this story. Maybe Rin does a little, or TenTen, but even that's sketchy.

Sakura and non-Sakura fans are saying the same thing regarding this excerpt from the interview: It's not respectful to his own work.

 

[rollin]

People are simply pointing out how it's not the brightest idea to draw a character in a "prettier way" in order to garner fans. It doesn't work, something he learned himself.

And to be honest, it's ridiculous to completely make known one's intent within interviews like this. He could have come up with something else to say. However, he did not and as a result berated several characters whilst not caring. It seems as though he does not even have respect for some of his own literary works.

It's not the brightest idea to declare that kishi tried making Sakura a better character by making her prettier but people love to make kishi seem dumb and to make themselves seem smart
And you seem to be a master at that especially with all that bullshit you posted

 

[Gary777]

No, it's not. The Japanese find Hinata's gentle disposition to be more respectable than Sakura's attitude as well. Hinata also became popular in part one as well, before being used for any type of fan service.

Point is, he could have done something else. Kishimoto can write decent male characters, why can't he write decent female ones? Tsunade was good, Chiyo was okay, Konan was tolerable, Kushina was nice given the limited screen time she got.

It doesn't look like a lack of ability on his part. More like a lack of interest in all honesty.



The guy has been known to troll in his interviews before. He stated back in 2007 or 2008 that Anko was his fave female character due to her "special relationship" with Orochimaru.

He can still tell the truth without bashing his characters. He could just say that he tried his best with Sakura but sadly she was not as well-received as she should have been. End it there. No use on continuing and saying he tried to make her look like Cristina Ricci and what not.

Sakura does not represent a simple girl though. No female character does in this story. Maybe Rin does a little, or TenTen, but even that's sketchy.

Sakura and non-Sakura fans are saying the same thing regarding this excerpt from the interview: It's not respectable to his own work.

TSUNADE , KONAN , KUSHINA TEAMRI , CHIYO , were created with good back grounds powerful n interesting to a huge extent ... though fans expected sakura on kaguyas level or beautiful like mei terumi .... like we did think naruto n sasuke will reach hagoromo level naruto mostly ... but we guys dont complain much it ... kishi cant satisfy everyone for sure n i m sure like u said he may be had not much interest in developing sakura but still she has reached close to tsunades level except the experience part of it at young age !!!!

 

[Avani]

The surprise Kishi has been showing on Sakura's popularity or questions regrading her tells me not only he doesn't get female characters that well his editors and the anime studio deliberately pushed Hinata ahead to give a nod to cultural traditions and standards.

Traditionalists who want devoted wives and want to encourage the conservative values to an extent. They have had quite a restricted culture in many terms and all the females characters in the end fit in those very roles. Even Tenten - I maybe wrong since I don't live in Japan but net articles say women often prefer to be housewife with a part time job or start their own business because after a certain stage they practically have negligible chances of promotion or any advancement in jobs.

Anyway one can only hope Sarada , Himawari and other next gen females get better treatment and Kishi uses his relatively free time in seeing the world enough to learn how girls are and probably in slightly better position to argue with his editors after finishing his first venture successfully.

Being shy and letting editors and anime studios push yourself around too much doesn't help when you are not that good at writing certain type of characters in the first place. They will screw your ideas too and replace it with fragmented fan service pieces.

It's annoying truth that a lot of shojo out there is as bad in handling female characters and keeps feeding silly female sterotypes. Or Japanese idea of romance is very awkward for me.

 

[Chie]

It's not the brightest idea to declare that kishi tried making Sakura a better character by making her prettier but people love to make kishi seem dumb and to make themselves seem smart
And you seem to be a master at that especially with all that bullshit you posted

Given the bold, you apparently agree with me entirely since that was my only point. Lol Thank you.^^

And no, I never said Kishimoto was dumb. The man created a manga that spanned 15 years and was well-received overall. I adore certain characters and parts of his story as well.

I wonder why you randomly decided to bring up people wanted to make Kishimoto look dumb, when that was present nowhere in my post nor remotely implied. Go figure on that one, huh. :erm:

TSUNADE , KONAN , KUSHINA TEAMRI , CHIYO , were created with good back grounds powerful n interesting to a huge extent ... though fans expected sakura on kaguyas level or beautiful like mei terumi .... like we did think naruto n sasuke will reach hagoromo level naruto mostly ... but we guys dont complain much it ... kishi cant satisfy everyone for sure n i m sure like u said he may be had not much interest in developing sakura but still she has reached close to tsunades level except the experience part of it at young age !!!!

No one expected her to be on Kaguya's level in terms of power, nor to be a cougar like Mei. I'm glad that Kishimoto didn't go on that route, actually.

Sakura does have her good points and I have nothing against her. People are just pointing out that Kishimoto's idea that a female character only has fans if she's pretty isn't the best one to have. Nothing more and nothing less. End of discussion.

 

[maniaoqan]

Basic reason why Sakura is so hated is her interactions with Naruto on part 1.

Everyone felt sorry for Part 1 Naruto who was hated by everyone, so people took pity on the 'poor boy'. And Sakura was one of the haters of that said 'poor boy'. So the pity for Naruto led to hate for Sakura. When she didn't love him back and chose Sasuke over him people became more upset with it not just because of shipping but because they thought that Sakura was being 'b*tch'. And Hinata unlike Sakura liked Naruto ever since her introduction was accepted because she was on the 'poor boy's ' side.

 

[BLAZE]

lmao on people defending his writing skill

 

[MAN OF SIN]

I'll answer that. It was his editor [whose name I forget] who created the "NARUTO" we know today. Kishimoto's original idea was to make it about some kid who works at a ramen shop. But his editor, who was with him from the beginning up until the end of the Itachi pursuit arc, told him he's a ****ing idiot and suggested he write about Ninjas. His editor would even have multi-hour long debates with him in order to explain how ****ing stupid his ideas are and how he should change or alter them.

Yup, Kishi was always a shit writer. His name was Kosuke Yahagi, btw.

 

[iKaras]

Is Kushina a good female character? Since we're going for broke now, let throw her under the bus as well. U_U

 

[salsalover64]

The surprise Kishi has been showing on Sakura's popularity or questions regrading her tells me not only he doesn't get female characters that well his editors and the anime studio deliberately pushed Hinata ahead to give a nod to cultural traditions and standards.

Traditionalists who want devoted wives and want to encourage the conservative values to an extent. They have had quite a restricted culture in many terms and all the females characters in the end fit in those very roles. Even Tenten - I maybe wrong since I don't live in Japan but net articles say women often prefer to be housewife with a part time job or start their own business because after a certain stage they practically have negligible chances of promotion or any advancement in jobs.

Anyway one can only hope Sarada , Himawari and other next gen females get better treatment and Kishi uses his relatively free time in seeing the world enough to learn how girls are and probably in slightly better position to argue with his editors after finishing his first venture successfully.

Being shy and letting editors and anime studios push yourself around too much doesn't help when you are not that good at writing certain type of characters in the first place. They will screw your ideas too and replace it with fragmented fan service pieces.

It's annoying truth that a lot of shojo out there is as bad in handling female characters and keeps feeding silly female sterotypes. Or Japanese idea of romance is very awkward for me.

You know...that would explain why I've seen little to nill assertive,realistic, females in anime. The only few I've ever seen were integra from hellsing and hellsing ultimate

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and Tsunade


=l


I'm aware that this will sound like a rant at first..but hear me out. It's aggravating because those of us that are aggressive, analytical, stoic, logical, and have thin patience for BS don't really identify with a lot of the female characters in anime. Honestly..based on what you've described I have a difficult time believing anyone who doesn't subscribe to gender identity would be able to relate to any of the female characters in anime. It would also explain why a lot of people in western culture may find it more difficult to become engaged in anime as opposed to more western comics. It's more about a chasm in the value and belief system regarding gender as a concept.

 

[Chie]

Is Kushina a good female character? Since we're going for broke now, let throw her under the bus as well. U_U

Depends on your definition of "good". At the very least, she had more depth than her husband.

 

[BLAZE]

Is Kushina a good female character? Since we're going for broke now, let throw her under the bus as well. U_U

She appeared for 5 or 6 chps :|

 

[iKaras]

Depends on your definition of "good". At the very least, she had more depth than her husband.

Of course. You can only go but up when being compared to Minato as a character. U_U

 

[Avani]

lmao on people defending his writing skill

Whom you are talking about?

I'll answer that. It was his editor [whose name I forget] who created the "NARUTO" we know today. Kishimoto's original idea was to make it about some kid who works at a ramen shop. But his editor, who was with him from the beginning up until the end of the Itachi pursuit arc, told him he's a ****ing idiot and suggested he write about Ninjas. His editor would even have multi-hour long debates with him in order to explain how ****ing stupid his ideas are and how he should change or alter them.

Send me minutes to the meeting you attended with Kishi to all this.

It's so lovely when people post stuff without any authenticated source.

Seriously - so much anger over manga treatment of Naruto females when I can't to see that many impressive females in most other shonnes either. Some have better fan service though with females having big boobs and revealing outfits and fight in a style to augment on those. They still get save by lead MCs sooner or later and start to fall behind as the series gets longer.