Hebi Sasuke vs Pein Arc Naruto

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This is true.



Fukasaku said so, but it was also said in the next arc that KCM Naruto was still behind Minato, so I'm not sure how reliable of a statement that is.



According to what, exactly?
According to me, going by information provided by the manga.

Itachi made a fool of Orochimaru with ease, whereas him and Kisame weren't convinced that they could take on Jiraiya together. Jiraiya was also stated to have been capable of dealing with Orochimaru during the Konoha crush, if I'm not mistaken. Nagato giving Jiraiya his highest praise by claiming that he may have been victorious if he would have discovered Nagato's secret does more than put him above Orochimaru without his edo imo.

It's obviously safe to say that Orochimaru could find a way to come out on top if against Jiraiya, but overall I think it was made clear that Jiraiya was a bit above him with Sage Mode.
 
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According to me, going by information provided by the manga.

Itachi made a fool of Orochimaru with ease, whereas him and Kisame weren't convinced that they could take on Jiraiya together. Jiraiya was also stated to have been capable of dealing with Orochimaru during the Konoha crush, if I'm not mistaken. Nagato giving Jiraiya his highest praise by claiming that he may have been victorious if he would have discovered Nagato's secret does more than put him above Orochimaru without his edo imo.

It's obviously safe to say that Orochimaru could find a way to come out on top if against Jiraiya, but overall I think it was made clear that Jiraiya was a bit above him with Sage Mode.
It’s also worth noting that part 1 heavily implies that Orochimaru is full leagues above Tsunade and Jiraiya both. That’s a very unreliable scale, but given the fact that Jiraiya was nearly killed by 3 tails, Orochimaru toyed with 4 (without arms), and Orochimaru was seen as an immense threat even without his arms, Orochimaru, by portrayal hype and feats, supersede both his Sannin teammates in terms of pure ability and potential.
 

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All versions of Hebi Sasuke stomp Pain arc Naruto even 3 tome Sasuke is too much for him. But with these conditions Naruto get negged and unlike others Sasuke's personality isn't one that toys with or tests his opponents.
 

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I think Naruto takes it more times than not.

Frog Song means he's oneshotted when it lands. Raitons are weaker than FRS, and it attacks at cellular level, he's dead if it hits. Naruto showed great battle smarts in the Pain fight, so I see him outsmarting him and landing an FRS. Plus, Gamabunta can fight on par with a Tailed Beast, he should be able to ward off Sasuke in CQC. Kirin is the only danger here, and if it's prepped he's killed, but I don't think he'll give him the time to.


Naruto, high diff.
 
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Sage Mode Naruto wins this battle.

Hebi Sasuke barely survived Deidra's explosions, which he admitted in chapter 363



Sage Mode Naruto has been considered to be stronger than Jiraya as well by Fukkasaku. Sasuke's Genjutsu won't help him because he can't decipher between the real Naruto and the SC. He couldn't even do it in their final battle as shown in chapter 697 as you can see here



A lot of people seem to forget to mention that Sage Mode almost destroyed Tendo twice before getting pinned in chapter 433 as well.

This is pretty much what Sage Mode Naruto would do to Manda assuming Sasuke gets him to cooperate



Kirin won't help Sasuke either because of these reasons

1. It's a high altitude atk and needs rain for it to work to it's fullest extent, which was shown when facing Itachi who allowed it by the way according ro Obito

2. It's a lightning style jutsu, meaning it can be countered with Sage Art Rasenshuriken because lightning is vunerable to wind.

3. Sage Mode Naruto can tank it head on. Remember, he tanked Tendo's AP head on.

Gamabunta should be able to beat Manda, considering he held his own against Shukaku even before Naruto used the transformation jutsu.

Sage Mode Naruto is considered to be stronger than Jiraya as well according to Fukkasaku.

No, Hebi Sasuke can't control all of the toads and Manda at the time with his genjutsu either. Only Rinnegan Sasuke can, which was shown when capturing the Bijuu in Planetary Devestation

It was shown at the time he could only use Genjutsu on 1 shinobi at the time. He won't be able to control them and Manda at the same time because he doesn't have the chakra reserves to do so who would never work with Sasuke willingly.
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All versions of Hebi Sasuke stomp Pain arc Naruto even 3 tome Sasuke is too much for him. But with these conditions Naruto get negged and unlike others Sasuke's personality isn't one that toys with or tests his opponents.
That's why Hebi Sasuke barely survived Deidra's final explosion and was extremely exhausted after the batttle was over.

Hebi sasuke wins. He stomps. Genjutsu
That's assuming he can decipher between Naruto and the SC, which he couldn't even do in chapter 697.
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Sasuke destroys him and it's not even close
That's why Hebi Sasuke almost died from Deidra's final explosion in chapter 363 who literally admited that Sasori was stronger than him.

 
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