[VS] Hebi Sasuke vs Kimimaro

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No, unless Bee has 5 in databook there is no proof of him being faster. The reason a blitz wouldn't work is because of Kimimaro's KKG. Reaction speed takes to three steps: mental preparation, physical preparation and physically moving. Fortunately for Kimimaro all he needs is mental preparation as Sasuke approaches to unless his KKG to counter and prevent close range attacks.

As a said raiton is the factor for this fight.
What? Kimimaro is in the second databook with a 4.5. Bee isn't even in a databook, he's much more 'current'. Bee is faster, what speed feats does Kimimaro have that can even compare to someone who can blitz another 4.5 (deidara) several times in a single fight, and be praised beyond imagination by that 4.5 db score.

Sasuke's range is far beyond Kimi's. Using his Kusanagi sword and extending its range would allow him to slice through Kimimaro while staying safe. There's no potential for Kimimaro ending at all.

Kimimaro high diff.
Elaborate on this madness. I am a big Kimimaro fan myself and don't see a single way Kimimaro can end this. You sound like Zexion trying to give Kakuzu every match-up he's put in a victory.
 

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I can't believe somone actually said kimimaro wins, that some serious overating of him. Genjutsu, sasukes kenjutsu, his raiton that can pierce the bones, his speed and reactions etc sasuke mid dif at best.
 

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What? Kimimaro is in the second databook with a 4.5. Bee isn't even in a databook, he's much more 'current'. Bee is faster, what speed feats does Kimimaro have that can even compare to someone who can blitz another 4.5 (deidara) several times in a single fight, and be praised beyond imagination by that 4.5 db score.

Sasuke's range is far beyond Kimi's. Using his Kusanagi sword and extending its range would allow him to slice through Kimimaro while staying safe. There's no potential for Kimimaro ending at all..
Until we know his speed feats for certain I can't assume he's faster than those with 4.5 speed, which as Kakashi, Sauske etc. He wasn't fast enough for Itachi, who has a 5 in speed, so it's highly unlikely he's as fast as you're trying to portray.

Deidara reacted AND countered Sasuke body flicker with 4.5 speed. Sasuke didn't blitz him.also, as I said before, Kimimaro preparation is lessened due to his KKG.

Sasuke extending his sword leaves him vulnerable to long distance attacks if Kimimaro avoids them. Seeing as it's extension isn't that fast, I say he could.
 

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What? Kimimaro is in the second databook with a 4.5. Bee isn't even in a databook, he's much more 'current'. Bee is faster, what speed feats does Kimimaro have that can even compare to someone who can blitz another 4.5 (deidara) several times in a single fight, and be praised beyond imagination by that 4.5 db score.

Sasuke's range is far beyond Kimi's. Using his Kusanagi sword and extending its range would allow him to slice through Kimimaro while staying safe. There's no potential for Kimimaro ending at all.



Elaborate on this madness. I am a big Kimimaro fan myself and don't see a single way Kimimaro can end this. You sound like Zexion trying to give Kakuzu every match-up he's put in a victory.
sick kimi has a 4.5 without his cursed seal,adding that boosts his soeed several times. Hebi sauuke has a 4.5 too. Last i checked deidara flat out dodged sasuke's shushin,wheras kimi kept up with a kcm clone,and gated lee.

Speed has little to do with being unorthodox,bee in base sliced him,yet he dodged a 3tk bee why?,cuz base bee was unpredictable whereas 3tk was linear despite the large speed difference,lee couldnt lay a finger on kimi,until he went drunken and became unpredictable. Kimi's style of fighting will kill sasuke if he gets close.

Kimi's bone bulets have greater reach that the chidori spear,oro blocked it with his arms,its not getting through kimi anyway

Bones do not conduct electricity

Bone forest ends it.
 

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Until we know his speed feats for certain I can't assume he's faster than those with 4.5 speed, which as Kakashi, Sauske etc. He wasn't fast enough for Itachi, who has a 5 in speed, so it's highly unlikely he's as fast as you're trying to portray.

Deidara reacted AND countered Sasuke body flicker with 4.5 speed. Sasuke didn't blitz him.also, as I said before, Kimimaro preparation is lessened due to his KKG.

Sasuke extending his sword leaves him vulnerable to long distance attacks if Kimimaro avoids them. Seeing as it's extension isn't that fast, I say he could.
At the end of the day, Sasuke had more screen time and thus portrayed many speed feats. Kimi had less and ended up portraying no speed feats and only demonstarted agility feats. Hence, Sasuke is much faster going by feats. Sasuke was noted by Deidara too be too fast for him, reacting and dodging=/=being as fast in a two man race.
Fine, Kimi reacts. He still loses.

Kimi can avoid all he wants, bones will never hit an agile sharingan user. Sasuke keeps him at bay the entirety of the fight.
sick kimi has a 4.5 without his cursed seal,adding that boosts his soeed several times. Hebi sauuke has a 4.5 too. Last i checked deidara flat out dodged sasuke's shushin,wheras kimi kept up with a kcm clone,and gated lee.

Speed has little to do with being unorthodox,bee in base sliced him,yet he dodged a 3tk bee why?,cuz base bee was unpredictable whereas 3tk was linear despite the large speed difference,lee couldnt lay a finger on kimi,until he went drunken and became unpredictable. Kimi's style of fighting will kill sasuke if he gets close.

Kimi's bone bulets have greater reach that the chidori spear,oro blocked it with his arms,its not getting through kimi anyway

Bones do not conduct electricity

Bone forest ends it.
KIMI KEPT UP WITH A KCM CLONE? DAFUQ He kept up with KN, which has no significant speed boost, and isn't comparable to gated Lee. Lee was as fast as Sasuke in part 1, this speed was matched by Sasuke within barely any training. By the time Hebi Sasuke had risen to screen, he's much, must faster than Lee. Don't compare the two, Sasuke shunshin feats are in another dimension, Kimi won't be the one in the advantageous position.

Bee in base is still insanely fast, much faster than Kimimaro. Bee kept up with, and overpowered Ay in v2. Stop comparing the likes of 6 sworded insanely fast Bee to perceivable Kimimaro who's unorthodox stance would be of no problem to Sasuke in cs2. Kimi goes too close to Sasuke's kenjutsu risks being cut in half or chidori nagashi paralysing him. Kimi makes massive eye contact while fighting, and cannot use clones. He has 0 counter measures for detecting genjutsu, his only way is CS2 and but he won't be able to tell genjutsu from reality.

Oro blocked it? [ ] Nice reading skills bruh. So much for implying feats for another. Kimi's bones are dodged via sharingans without any difficulty at all.
Bones do not conduct, they still get pierced. Show me piercing durability of the bones or gtfo.
Bone forest isn't happening, the second he tries to put his hands on the floor, he gets cut in half. Manda summon will allow Sasuke to stay safe as well.
 

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At the end of the day, Sasuke had more screen time and thus portrayed many speed feats. Kimi had less and ended up portraying no speed feats and only demonstarted agility feats. Hence, Sasuke is much faster going by feats. Sasuke was noted by Deidara too be too fast for him, reacting and dodging=/=being as fast in a two man race.
Fine, Kimi reacts. He still loses.

Kimi can avoid all he wants, bones will never hit an agile sharingan user. Sasuke keeps him at bay the entirety of the fight.
For one, please watch your tone. You seem hyped and it's not necessary.

Yes, Sasuke has had more screen time and has shown a variety of speed feats. That's all irrelevant as we're focused on Hebi Sasuke. The reason I provided an example of Hebi Sasuke speed (body flicker) against someone with 4.5 speed and arguably slower reaction speed. Tobi noted Sasuke being too fast, not Deidara. Regardless, Deidara reacted and countered his speed twice. He doesn't need to be as fast as Sasuke, he needs to be fast enough to react.

In my initial post I said Sasuke wins due to his element advantage, high difficulty. You were sprouting nonsense so i responded. He's not getting blitzed. FYI those bones have the possibility to contact, as Sasuke has shown difficulty keeping up with such movements (Bee example).
 

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At the end of the day, Sasuke had more screen time and thus portrayed many speed feats. Kimi had less and ended up portraying no speed feats and only demonstarted agility feats. Hence, Sasuke is much faster going by feats. Sasuke was noted by Deidara too be too fast for him, reacting and dodging=/=being as fast in a two man race.
Fine, Kimi reacts. He still loses.

Kimi can avoid all he wants, bones will never hit an agile sharingan user. Sasuke keeps him at bay the entirety of the fight.

KIMI KEPT UP WITH A KCM CLONE? DAFUQ He kept up with KN, which has no significant speed boost, and isn't comparable to gated Lee. Lee was as fast as Sasuke in part 1, this speed was matched by Sasuke within barely any training. By the time Hebi Sasuke had risen to screen, he's much, must faster than Lee. Don't compare the two, Sasuke shunshin feats are in another dimension, Kimi won't be the one in the advantageous position.

Bee in base is still insanely fast, much faster than Kimimaro. Bee kept up with, and overpowered Ay in v2. Stop comparing the likes of 6 sworded insanely fast Bee to perceivable Kimimaro who's unorthodox stance would be of no problem to Sasuke in cs2. Kimi goes too close to Sasuke's kenjutsu risks being cut in half or chidori nagashi paralysing him. Kimi makes massive eye contact while fighting, and cannot use clones. He has 0 counter measures for detecting genjutsu, his only way is CS2 and but he won't be able to tell genjutsu from reality.

Oro blocked it? [ ] Nice reading skills bruh. So much for implying feats for another. Kimi's bones are dodged via sharingans without any difficulty at all.
Bones do not conduct, they still get pierced. Show me piercing durability of the bones or gtfo.
Bone forest isn't happening, the second he tries to put his hands on the floor, he gets cut in half. Manda summon will allow Sasuke to stay safe as well.
in the war arc,kcm naruto's clone attacked him with a FRS,next time they show them,the clone is gone and kimi was rapigng samurais,thus he reacted to the clone.
Sasuke as fast as lee?KN0 naruto easily outsped sasuke even with his sharingan,he needed 3t to finally track him,thus KN naruto was much faster than sasuke,lee did much better than KN naruto against kimi, lee's speed was abt a 3.5 or 4,gates boosts that up to either 4.5 or higher.
If deidara reacted to his shushin,kimimaro,a taijutsu master will do it even easier and impale him.

AY didnt even use his speed on bee,he was casually knocking both naruto and bee around in v1. In v2 he fooled the ms with his speed,bee in his 3tk form was dodged by sasuke with 3t.
When he actually got serious,he swatted bee aside in base,

am pretty sure kisame dosent have a 5 in speed,yet he didnt blitz him.
Bee has 6 swords,kimi can make 12 bones.

Sasuke isnt dodging kimi's bones when he dosent even know when they will come,they can come at anytime, sharingan is kinda useless in cqc here.

Added on this is his regenerative abilities. If the bones get pierced,kimi heals and stabs sasuke.

Lol,kimi was stuck 200m below the ground,unable to move a muscle yet he did the bone forest,sasuke gets killed.

A chakra enhanced blade was resisted by a normal bone from kimi,cursed seal enhanced ones tank anything from sasuke.
 

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For one, please watch your tone. You seem hyped and it's not necessary.

Yes, Sasuke has had more screen time and has shown a variety of speed feats. That's all irrelevant as we're focused on Hebi Sasuke. The reason I provided an example of Hebi Sasuke speed (body flicker) against someone with 4.5 speed and arguably slower reaction speed. Tobi noted Sasuke being too fast, not Deidara. Regardless, Deidara reacted and countered his speed twice. He doesn't need to be as fast as Sasuke, he needs to be fast enough to react.

In my initial post I said Sasuke wins due to his element advantage, high difficulty. You were sprouting nonsense so i responded. He's not getting blitzed. FYI those bones have the possibility to contact, as Sasuke has shown difficulty keeping up with such movements (Bee example).
Watch my tone over the internet? Who the fucck do you think you are?

Hebi Sasuke has tonnes of speed feats. I can show you them if you don't quite recall them. Kimi has nothing which is even close to the same level in terms of feats. DB isn't accounting for feats, feats or get out; that's the problem with debating with part 1 characters who barely got screen time against part 2 characters who got tonnes of it. Deidara didn't think Sasuke was too fast? Fine, I'll put the speed feats of Sasuke, Deidara's praising is within it.
Hebi Sasuke's Shunshin feats are perhaps the best Shunshin feats shown in the manga bar Itachi, Ay's v2 and War Arc's hax abilities. One feat that demonstrates his staggering Shunshin is in the Deidara fight. It is shown that Deidara launches his C2 guided missile [ ]. One can clearly see the explosion radius is dwarfing the C2 bird by a long run. It should also be noted that Deidara is practically a dot on the C2, yet Sasuke, who would be a dot in that explosion, has managed to escape something many times his size [ ]. But it doesn't even stop here, after Deidara praises Sasuke for his speed, Sasuke still steps on a mine while going backwards, and once again evades, although he did it by flying [ ]. One thing to note is that both Sasuke and Deidara possess 4.5's for speed in the DB, yet Sasuke seemingly outclasses him in that department, and receives constant praise from Deidara for his speed [ ]. Sasuke then from Deidara's sight as well, which is no small feat. He once again, receives praise for his speed and Kabuto ends up taking the initiative to deal with it [ ]. Sasuke also has the capability of quickly manoeuvring himself in the air, as shown when he was easily able to leave in the midst of the explosions via his snakes [ ]. This is quite an interesting and overlooked ability, since given the correct location, it can be very effective in escaping or closing the gap. Even in early part 2, he was capable of quickly blitzing team 7, and even Naruto who is somewhat known for his good reaction speed. [ ]-->[ ] Sasuke is seemingly the size of Naruto's head, meaning the distance is quite significant, yet no one of team 7 could necessarily keep him in their line of sight. Another great example of Sasuke's Shunshin speed combined with his striking speed is when he blitzes a fully transformed CS2 user. The distance is apparently large [ ], however, what is interesting as that Sasuke was capable of slicing him numerous times, 1 slice on each leg, one slice on each arm and a large slice across the body [ ]. This is quite an amazing feat, his striking speed is potentially the best in the entire manga given this feat, and the feat of Striking Ay in v1 with his Chidori before Ay could strike him. And finally, despite being hyperbolic, Sasuke having a section just for speed is a powerful statement in itself.
Being faster than 4.5 characters on forcing them to make tactics to go on the defensive is proof that Kimi will have to do something about it as well. Bones won't suffice against constant blitzes with raiton enhanced kusanagi sword + chidori spear.

No, you said Sasuke loses with no intel, which is definitely not the case. I understand Kimi is underrated and I often defend him as well in vs threads. But this is a bit too much, soon he will start being put with people like KCM Naruto. Again, bones will never be in range due to extended range of chidori spear and kusanagi sword. If he overextends, he dies to the sword or gets paralyzed via chidori nagashi. Kimi is the one who wants the intel, not Sasuke. Sasuke low-mid diff with no intel. Mid diff with intel.

in the war arc,kcm naruto's clone attacked him with a FRS,next time they show them,the clone is gone and kimi was rapigng samurais,thus he reacted to the clone.
Sasuke as fast as lee?KN0 naruto easily outsped sasuke even with his sharingan,he needed 3t to finally track him,thus KN naruto was much faster than sasuke,lee did much better than KN naruto against kimi, lee's speed was abt a 3.5 or 4,gates boosts that up to either 4.5 or higher.
If deidara reacted to his shushin,kimimaro,a taijutsu master will do it even easier and impale him.

AY didnt even use his speed on bee,he was casually knocking both naruto and bee around in v1. In v2 he fooled the ms with his speed,bee in his 3tk form was dodged by sasuke with 3t.
When he actually got serious,he swatted bee aside in base,

am pretty sure kisame dosent have a 5 in speed,yet he didnt blitz him.
Bee has 6 swords,kimi can make 12 bones.

Sasuke isnt dodging kimi's bones when he dosent even know when they will come,they can come at anytime, sharingan is kinda useless in cqc here.

Added on this is his regenerative abilities. If the bones get pierced,kimi heals and stabs sasuke.

Lol,kimi was stuck 200m below the ground,unable to move a muscle yet he did the bone forest,sasuke gets killed.

A chakra enhanced blade was resisted by a normal bone from kimi,cursed seal enhanced ones tank anything from sasuke.
How does that prove anything? No feats were shown of the clone and no implications of the clone losing to KCM Naruto. Chiyo was there and ended up surviving as well, not FRS explosion was even shown in the first place. Your point is moot, trying to bring in off-panel unconfirmed things in to debate. Lel, when was this. That was tailed Naruto at VOTE. KN without tails against Kimi had no significant speed increase. Sasuke is much, much faster than Lee. I've already shown his speed feats in the quote above, check it. He was in v2 when he lariated Bee, and got beaten. Ignorance is bliss. A>B>C logic doesn't work, your points are all fail. Sasuke was suffering from ama backlash, he can't move anyways, but he still could see where he was and reacted with ribcage. He outwitted v1 Ay as well, Ay v2 won't be out of Sasuke's occular range.
Wut? When did I imply Kisame has a 5. Kimi cannot use 12 bones efficiently, nor are they as lethal, nor are they as fast.

Sharingan will see it with little difficulty. What speed feats do these bones have? Sasuke dodges without difficulty.

No, If the bones get pierced, Sasuke does this [ ] and Kimi is dead.

How does that imply Sasuke dies? Manda tanks most of it, and by the time it has reached Sasuke, Sasuke just flies away/dodges it. Anyways, bone forest won't happen in the fight.

A chakra blade from a half arsed Samurai was being chipped. Manga confirmed Raiton is the best at piercing, Sasuke just slices the bone in half, or creates a chidori spear with his second hand and kills. If the bone doesn't get sliced in half (fallacy) Sasuke uses genjutsu while they are stalemating and ends. v2 bones won't be different, both base and v2 can make the bones denser, hence both get sliced or stalemate, which leads to genjutsu.
 
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LOL! There are still morons on the base who use databook speeds to judge how fast a character is? idiots! The databook doesn't take enhancements or jutsu into account. In other words, it only looks at your movement speed, and does NOT take your shunshin speed into account. That's precisely why deidara, who also has a 4.5 in speed like Sasuke in the databook, said Sasuke's movements were too fast and he was forced to take to the skies. In fact, if not for Tobi, Sasuke would have defeated Deidara early on as he had managed to sneak behind him without deidara noticing him. Sasuke's shunshin is faster than kimmimaro by feats. If we apply the logic used by these morons, Asuma,Kakashi,Yamato,Sasuke etc all have EXACTLY the same speeds, when it clearly isn't the case. The databook is outdated and unreliable.
 
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LOL! There are still morons on the base who use databook speeds to judge how fast a character is? idiots! The databook doesn't take enhancements or jutsu into account. In other words, in only looks at your movement speed, and does NOT take your shunshin speed into account. That's precisely why deidara, who also has a 4.5 in speed like Sasuke in the databook, said Sasuke's movements were too fast and he was forced to take to the skies. In fact, if not for Tobi, Sasuke would have defeated Deidara early on as he had managed to sneak behind him without deidara noticing him. Sasuke's shunshin is faster than kimmimaro by feats. If we apply the logic used by these morons, Asuma,Kakashi,Yamato,Sasuke etc all have EXACTLY the same speeds, when it clearly isn't the case. The databook is outdated and unreliable.
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How is that false? Sakura has a 3 in the databook for strength, even though her chakra enhanced strength is easily a 5. Chakra being added to hands=doesn't get counted. Chakra being added to the feet=doesn't count. Shunshin isn't factored in.
 
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Watch my tone over the internet? Who the fucck do you think you are?

Hebi Sasuke has tonnes of speed feats. I can show you them if you don't quite recall them. Kimi has nothing which is even close to the same level in terms of feats. DB isn't accounting for feats, feats or get out; that's the problem with debating with part 1 characters who barely got screen time against part 2 characters who got tonnes of it. Deidara didn't think Sasuke was too fast? Fine, I'll put the speed feats of Sasuke, Deidara's praising is within it.

Being faster than 4.5 characters on forcing them to make tactics to go on the defensive is proof that Kimi will have to do something about it as well. Bones won't suffice against constant blitzes with raiton enhanced kusanagi sword chidori spear.

No, you said Sasuke loses with no intel, which is definitely not the case. I understand Kimi is underrated and I often defend him as well in vs threads. But this is a bit too much, soon he will start being put with people like KCM Naruto. Again, bones will never be in range due to extended range of chidori spear and kusanagi sword. If he overextends, he dies to the sword or gets paralyzed via chidori nagashi. Kimi is the one who wants the intel, not Sasuke. Sasuke low-mid diff with no intel. Mid diff with intel.


How does that prove anything? No feats were shown of the clone and no implications of the clone losing to KCM Naruto. Chiyo was there and ended up surviving as well, not FRS explosion was even shown in the first place. Your point is moot, trying to bring in off-panel unconfirmed things in to debate. Lel, when was this. That was tailed Naruto at VOTE. KN without tails against Kimi had no significant speed increase. Sasuke is much, much faster than Lee. I've already shown his speed feats in the quote above, check it. He was in v2 when he lariated Bee, and got beaten. Ignorance is bliss. A>B>C logic doesn't work, your points are all fail. Sasuke was suffering from ama backlash, he can't move anyways, but he still could see where he was and reacted with ribcage. He outwitted v1 Ay as well, Ay v2 won't be out of Sasuke's occular range.
Wut? When did I imply Kisame has a 5. Kimi cannot use 12 bones efficiently, nor are they as lethal, nor are they as fast.

Sharingan will see it with little difficulty. What speed feats do these bones have? Sasuke dodges without difficulty.

No, If the bones get pierced, Sasuke does this [ ] and Kimi is dead.

How does that imply Sasuke dies? Manda tanks most of it, and by the time it has reached Sasuke, Sasuke just flies away/dodges it. Anyways, bone forest won't happen in the fight.

A chakra blade from a half arsed Samurai was being chipped. Manga confirmed Raiton is the best at piercing, Sasuke just slices the bone in half, or creates a chidori spear with his second hand and kills. If the bone doesn't get sliced in half (fallacy) Sasuke uses genjutsu while they are stalemating and ends. v2 bones won't be different, both base and v2 can make the bones denser, hence both get sliced or stalemate, which leads to genjutsu.
kcm naruto attacked kimi with a frs,the fact thlat he wasnt hit,and the fact that he was still standing afterwards means he managed to evade the frs,thats quite simple.

Are you serious?,tailless shroud naruto was thrashing two tomoe sasuke around,until sasuke got three tomoe,

i just showed a scan of Ay blitzing bee in base,so clearly he wasnt even using his speed on bee. Sasuke didnt see him move,he blitzed sasuke easily,sasuke had his ribcage up already and just enton all around his susanoo.

The bones make cqc ipossible as they jot out at anytime,making predictions useless.

Avoid the bone forest?,kimi was 200m below gaara when he activated it,sasuke jumping 200m in a split second is fallancy.

Kimi healed from ripping out his own spine and a sand coffin and piercing his own body several times,chidori spear is nothing,and it wont even hit someone as agile as kimimaro.

Last i checked sasuke's raiton enhanced sword got equaled by a chakra enhanced blade from mifune and kimi can harden his bones even further.
 

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I just read this thread and both Apex and genii gave contradictory arguments compared to the ones in this particular thread ( ).

Apex, you were using similar arguments as I did in the Temari VS Kimimaro thread but in that particular thread, you were giving the same arguments as genii is doing in this particular thread while arguing against my points which are similar to the points you raised in this thread. I found it funny you think chidori sharp spear and chidori enhanced sword can easily slice Kimimaro in half when you thought Kimimaro tanks Temari's strongest fuuton without much effort.

Genii, in that thread, you said Temari's fuuton can kill Kimimaro but in this one you deny the fact Sasuke's raiton can do the same.

I'm not trying to expose anyone but it is funny how many contradictions some users come up with.

IMO, Kimimaro can survive chidori sharp spear and chidori enhanced sword but a full power chidori kills him. As for the Temari thread, Kimimaro can survive anything barring Wind Cast Net and KKM spam.
 
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This thread is proof that Kimimaro is overrated/wanked.

My top 3 overrated thread has been proven yay :D

Kimimaro struggled to take down part 1 Gaara.

This thread is basically suggesting Hebi Sasuke would struggle against part 1 Gaara LMAO@@@@@ Hebi Sasuke is leagues above his CE counterpart, the power gap is much higher than CE-SRA Gaara.

Kazekage Gaara lost to freaking Deidara in a desert, the same guy Hebi Sauce beat!

I know ABC logic does not always work, but it's more than enough to prove how silly this vs is.
 
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