What? Go to sleep.There has to be some restrictions that im not aware of because this is insane. Kimi can't even beat Part 1 Sasuke let alone be compared to Hebi Sasuke.
What? Go to sleep.There has to be some restrictions that im not aware of because this is insane. Kimi can't even beat Part 1 Sasuke let alone be compared to Hebi Sasuke.
What? Kimimaro is in the second databook with a 4.5. Bee isn't even in a databook, he's much more 'current'. Bee is faster, what speed feats does Kimimaro have that can even compare to someone who can blitz another 4.5 (deidara) several times in a single fight, and be praised beyond imagination by that 4.5 db score.No, unless Bee has 5 in databook there is no proof of him being faster. The reason a blitz wouldn't work is because of Kimimaro's KKG. Reaction speed takes to three steps: mental preparation, physical preparation and physically moving. Fortunately for Kimimaro all he needs is mental preparation as Sasuke approaches to unless his KKG to counter and prevent close range attacks.
As a said raiton is the factor for this fight.
Elaborate on this madness. I am a big Kimimaro fan myself and don't see a single way Kimimaro can end this. You sound like Zexion trying to give Kakuzu every match-up he's put in a victory.Kimimaro high diff.
There's always that fan of a fodder character that just sits and waits for his moment to troll when his favorite fodder character is brought into a vs section. You already admitted Sasuke wins so just hop of this thread please.What? Go to sleep.
Breaking out of genjutsu is one thing, knowing you're in it is another.Curse mark makes the user basically immune to genjutsu, would it not?
Until we know his speed feats for certain I can't assume he's faster than those with 4.5 speed, which as Kakashi, Sauske etc. He wasn't fast enough for Itachi, who has a 5 in speed, so it's highly unlikely he's as fast as you're trying to portray.What? Kimimaro is in the second databook with a 4.5. Bee isn't even in a databook, he's much more 'current'. Bee is faster, what speed feats does Kimimaro have that can even compare to someone who can blitz another 4.5 (deidara) several times in a single fight, and be praised beyond imagination by that 4.5 db score.
Sasuke's range is far beyond Kimi's. Using his Kusanagi sword and extending its range would allow him to slice through Kimimaro while staying safe. There's no potential for Kimimaro ending at all..
sick kimi has a 4.5 without his cursed seal,adding that boosts his soeed several times. Hebi sauuke has a 4.5 too. Last i checked deidara flat out dodged sasuke's shushin,wheras kimi kept up with a kcm clone,and gated lee.What? Kimimaro is in the second databook with a 4.5. Bee isn't even in a databook, he's much more 'current'. Bee is faster, what speed feats does Kimimaro have that can even compare to someone who can blitz another 4.5 (deidara) several times in a single fight, and be praised beyond imagination by that 4.5 db score.
Sasuke's range is far beyond Kimi's. Using his Kusanagi sword and extending its range would allow him to slice through Kimimaro while staying safe. There's no potential for Kimimaro ending at all.
Elaborate on this madness. I am a big Kimimaro fan myself and don't see a single way Kimimaro can end this. You sound like Zexion trying to give Kakuzu every match-up he's put in a victory.
At the end of the day, Sasuke had more screen time and thus portrayed many speed feats. Kimi had less and ended up portraying no speed feats and only demonstarted agility feats. Hence, Sasuke is much faster going by feats. Sasuke was noted by Deidara too be too fast for him, reacting and dodging=/=being as fast in a two man race.Until we know his speed feats for certain I can't assume he's faster than those with 4.5 speed, which as Kakashi, Sauske etc. He wasn't fast enough for Itachi, who has a 5 in speed, so it's highly unlikely he's as fast as you're trying to portray.
Deidara reacted AND countered Sasuke body flicker with 4.5 speed. Sasuke didn't blitz him.also, as I said before, Kimimaro preparation is lessened due to his KKG.
Sasuke extending his sword leaves him vulnerable to long distance attacks if Kimimaro avoids them. Seeing as it's extension isn't that fast, I say he could.
KIMI KEPT UP WITH A KCM CLONE? DAFUQ He kept up with KN, which has no significant speed boost, and isn't comparable to gated Lee. Lee was as fast as Sasuke in part 1, this speed was matched by Sasuke within barely any training. By the time Hebi Sasuke had risen to screen, he's much, must faster than Lee. Don't compare the two, Sasuke shunshin feats are in another dimension, Kimi won't be the one in the advantageous position.sick kimi has a 4.5 without his cursed seal,adding that boosts his soeed several times. Hebi sauuke has a 4.5 too. Last i checked deidara flat out dodged sasuke's shushin,wheras kimi kept up with a kcm clone,and gated lee.
Speed has little to do with being unorthodox,bee in base sliced him,yet he dodged a 3tk bee why?,cuz base bee was unpredictable whereas 3tk was linear despite the large speed difference,lee couldnt lay a finger on kimi,until he went drunken and became unpredictable. Kimi's style of fighting will kill sasuke if he gets close.
Kimi's bone bulets have greater reach that the chidori spear,oro blocked it with his arms,its not getting through kimi anyway
Bones do not conduct electricity
Bone forest ends it.
For one, please watch your tone. You seem hyped and it's not necessary.At the end of the day, Sasuke had more screen time and thus portrayed many speed feats. Kimi had less and ended up portraying no speed feats and only demonstarted agility feats. Hence, Sasuke is much faster going by feats. Sasuke was noted by Deidara too be too fast for him, reacting and dodging=/=being as fast in a two man race.
Fine, Kimi reacts. He still loses.
Kimi can avoid all he wants, bones will never hit an agile sharingan user. Sasuke keeps him at bay the entirety of the fight.
in the war arc,kcm naruto's clone attacked him with a FRS,next time they show them,the clone is gone and kimi was rapigng samurais,thus he reacted to the clone.At the end of the day, Sasuke had more screen time and thus portrayed many speed feats. Kimi had less and ended up portraying no speed feats and only demonstarted agility feats. Hence, Sasuke is much faster going by feats. Sasuke was noted by Deidara too be too fast for him, reacting and dodging=/=being as fast in a two man race.
Fine, Kimi reacts. He still loses.
Kimi can avoid all he wants, bones will never hit an agile sharingan user. Sasuke keeps him at bay the entirety of the fight.
KIMI KEPT UP WITH A KCM CLONE? DAFUQ He kept up with KN, which has no significant speed boost, and isn't comparable to gated Lee. Lee was as fast as Sasuke in part 1, this speed was matched by Sasuke within barely any training. By the time Hebi Sasuke had risen to screen, he's much, must faster than Lee. Don't compare the two, Sasuke shunshin feats are in another dimension, Kimi won't be the one in the advantageous position.
Bee in base is still insanely fast, much faster than Kimimaro. Bee kept up with, and overpowered Ay in v2. Stop comparing the likes of 6 sworded insanely fast Bee to perceivable Kimimaro who's unorthodox stance would be of no problem to Sasuke in cs2. Kimi goes too close to Sasuke's kenjutsu risks being cut in half or chidori nagashi paralysing him. Kimi makes massive eye contact while fighting, and cannot use clones. He has 0 counter measures for detecting genjutsu, his only way is CS2 and but he won't be able to tell genjutsu from reality.
Oro blocked it? [You must be registered for see links] Nice reading skills bruh. So much for implying feats for another. Kimi's bones are dodged via sharingans without any difficulty at all.
Bones do not conduct, they still get pierced. Show me piercing durability of the bones or gtfo.
Bone forest isn't happening, the second he tries to put his hands on the floor, he gets cut in half. Manda summon will allow Sasuke to stay safe as well.
Watch my tone over the internet? Who the fucck do you think you are?For one, please watch your tone. You seem hyped and it's not necessary.
Yes, Sasuke has had more screen time and has shown a variety of speed feats. That's all irrelevant as we're focused on Hebi Sasuke. The reason I provided an example of Hebi Sasuke speed (body flicker) against someone with 4.5 speed and arguably slower reaction speed. Tobi noted Sasuke being too fast, not Deidara. Regardless, Deidara reacted and countered his speed twice. He doesn't need to be as fast as Sasuke, he needs to be fast enough to react.
In my initial post I said Sasuke wins due to his element advantage, high difficulty. You were sprouting nonsense so i responded. He's not getting blitzed. FYI those bones have the possibility to contact, as Sasuke has shown difficulty keeping up with such movements (Bee example).
Being faster than 4.5 characters on forcing them to make tactics to go on the defensive is proof that Kimi will have to do something about it as well. Bones won't suffice against constant blitzes with raiton enhanced kusanagi sword + chidori spear.Hebi Sasuke's Shunshin feats are perhaps the best Shunshin feats shown in the manga bar Itachi, Ay's v2 and War Arc's hax abilities. One feat that demonstrates his staggering Shunshin is in the Deidara fight. It is shown that Deidara launches his C2 guided missile [You must be registered for see links]. One can clearly see the explosion radius is dwarfing the C2 bird by a long run. It should also be noted that Deidara is practically a dot on the C2, yet Sasuke, who would be a dot in that explosion, has managed to escape something many times his size [You must be registered for see links]. But it doesn't even stop here, after Deidara praises Sasuke for his speed, Sasuke still steps on a mine while going backwards, and once again evades, although he did it by flying [You must be registered for see links]. One thing to note is that both Sasuke and Deidara possess 4.5's for speed in the DB, yet Sasuke seemingly outclasses him in that department, and receives constant praise from Deidara for his speed [You must be registered for see links]. Sasuke thenYou must be registered for see linksfrom Deidara's sight as well, which is no small feat. He once again, receives praise for his speed and Kabuto ends up taking the initiative to deal with it [You must be registered for see links]. Sasuke also has the capability of quickly manoeuvring himself in the air, as shown when he was easily able to leave in the midst of the explosions via his snakes [You must be registered for see links]. This is quite an interesting and overlooked ability, since given the correct location, it can be very effective in escaping or closing the gap. Even in early part 2, he was capable of quickly blitzing team 7, and even Naruto who is somewhat known for his good reaction speed. [You must be registered for see links]-->[You must be registered for see links] Sasuke is seemingly the size of Naruto's head, meaning the distance is quite significant, yet no one of team 7 could necessarily keep him in their line of sight. Another great example of Sasuke's Shunshin speed combined with his striking speed is when he blitzes a fully transformed CS2 user. The distance is apparently large [You must be registered for see links], however, what is interesting as that Sasuke was capable of slicing him numerous times, 1 slice on each leg, one slice on each arm and a large slice across the body [You must be registered for see links]. This is quite an amazing feat, his striking speed is potentially the best in the entire manga given this feat, and the feat of Striking Ay in v1 with his Chidori before Ay could strike him. And finally, despite being hyperbolic, Sasuke having a section just for speed is a powerful statement in itself.
How does that prove anything? No feats were shown of the clone and no implications of the clone losing to KCM Naruto. Chiyo was there and ended up surviving as well, not FRS explosion was even shown in the first place. Your point is moot, trying to bring in off-panel unconfirmed things in to debate. Lel, when was this. That was tailed Naruto at VOTE. KN without tails against Kimi had no significant speed increase. Sasuke is much, much faster than Lee. I've already shown his speed feats in the quote above, check it. He was in v2 when he lariated Bee, and got beaten. Ignorance is bliss. A>B>C logic doesn't work, your points are all fail. Sasuke was suffering from ama backlash, he can't move anyways, but he still could see where he was and reacted with ribcage. He outwitted v1 Ay as well, Ay v2 won't be out of Sasuke's occular range.in the war arc,kcm naruto's clone attacked him with a FRS,next time they show them,the clone is gone and kimi was rapigng samurais,thus he reacted to the clone.
Sasuke as fast as lee?KN0 naruto easily outsped sasuke even with his sharingan,he needed 3t to finally track him,thus KN naruto was much faster than sasuke,lee did much better than KN naruto against kimi, lee's speed was abt a 3.5 or 4,gates boosts that up to either 4.5 or higher.
If deidara reacted to his shushin,kimimaro,a taijutsu master will do it even easier and impale him.
AY didnt even use his speed on bee,he was casually knocking both naruto and bee around in v1. In v2 he fooled the ms with his speed,bee in his 3tk form was dodged by sasuke with 3t.
When he actually got serious,he swatted bee aside in base,You must be registered for see links
am pretty sure kisame dosent have a 5 in speed,yet he didnt blitz him.
Bee has 6 swords,kimi can make 12 bones.
Sasuke isnt dodging kimi's bones when he dosent even know when they will come,they can come at anytime, sharingan is kinda useless in cqc here.
Added on this is his regenerative abilities. If the bones get pierced,kimi heals and stabs sasuke.
Lol,kimi was stuck 200m below the ground,unable to move a muscle yet he did the bone forest,sasuke gets killed.
A chakra enhanced blade was resisted by a normal bone from kimi,cursed seal enhanced ones tank anything from sasuke.
Smartest 2014 member I've witnessed yet.LOL! There are still morons on the base who use databook speeds to judge how fast a character is? idiots! The databook doesn't take enhancements or jutsu into account. In other words, in only looks at your movement speed, and does NOT take your shunshin speed into account. That's precisely why deidara, who also has a 4.5 in speed like Sasuke in the databook, said Sasuke's movements were too fast and he was forced to take to the skies. In fact, if not for Tobi, Sasuke would have defeated Deidara early on as he had managed to sneak behind him without deidara noticing him. Sasuke's shunshin is faster than kimmimaro by feats. If we apply the logic used by these morons, Asuma,Kakashi,Yamato,Sasuke etc all have EXACTLY the same speeds, when it clearly isn't the case. The databook is outdated and unreliable.
How is that false? Sakura has a 3 in the databook for strength, even though her chakra enhanced strength is easily a 5. Chakra being added to hands=doesn't get counted. Chakra being added to the feet=doesn't count. Shunshin isn't factored in.Smartest 2014 member I've witnessed yet.
kcm naruto attacked kimi with a frs,the fact thlat he wasnt hit,and the fact that he was still standing afterwards means he managed to evade the frs,thats quite simple.Watch my tone over the internet? Who the fucck do you think you are?
Hebi Sasuke has tonnes of speed feats. I can show you them if you don't quite recall them. Kimi has nothing which is even close to the same level in terms of feats. DB isn't accounting for feats, feats or get out; that's the problem with debating with part 1 characters who barely got screen time against part 2 characters who got tonnes of it. Deidara didn't think Sasuke was too fast? Fine, I'll put the speed feats of Sasuke, Deidara's praising is within it.
Being faster than 4.5 characters on forcing them to make tactics to go on the defensive is proof that Kimi will have to do something about it as well. Bones won't suffice against constant blitzes with raiton enhanced kusanagi sword chidori spear.
No, you said Sasuke loses with no intel, which is definitely not the case. I understand Kimi is underrated and I often defend him as well in vs threads. But this is a bit too much, soon he will start being put with people like KCM Naruto. Again, bones will never be in range due to extended range of chidori spear and kusanagi sword. If he overextends, he dies to the sword or gets paralyzed via chidori nagashi. Kimi is the one who wants the intel, not Sasuke. Sasuke low-mid diff with no intel. Mid diff with intel.
How does that prove anything? No feats were shown of the clone and no implications of the clone losing to KCM Naruto. Chiyo was there and ended up surviving as well, not FRS explosion was even shown in the first place. Your point is moot, trying to bring in off-panel unconfirmed things in to debate. Lel, when was this. That was tailed Naruto at VOTE. KN without tails against Kimi had no significant speed increase. Sasuke is much, much faster than Lee. I've already shown his speed feats in the quote above, check it. He was in v2 when he lariated Bee, and got beaten. Ignorance is bliss. A>B>C logic doesn't work, your points are all fail. Sasuke was suffering from ama backlash, he can't move anyways, but he still could see where he was and reacted with ribcage. He outwitted v1 Ay as well, Ay v2 won't be out of Sasuke's occular range.
Wut? When did I imply Kisame has a 5. Kimi cannot use 12 bones efficiently, nor are they as lethal, nor are they as fast.
Sharingan will see it with little difficulty. What speed feats do these bones have? Sasuke dodges without difficulty.
No, If the bones get pierced, Sasuke does this [You must be registered for see links] and Kimi is dead.
How does that imply Sasuke dies? Manda tanks most of it, and by the time it has reached Sasuke, Sasuke just flies away/dodges it. Anyways, bone forest won't happen in the fight.
A chakra blade from a half arsed Samurai was being chipped. Manga confirmed Raiton is the best at piercing, Sasuke just slices the bone in half, or creates a chidori spear with his second hand and kills. If the bone doesn't get sliced in half (fallacy) Sasuke uses genjutsu while they are stalemating and ends. v2 bones won't be different, both base and v2 can make the bones denser, hence both get sliced or stalemate, which leads to genjutsu.