Hebi Sasuke vs. Jiraiya

[Tazzilla88]

Jiraiya wins this. Comfortably.
Hebi Sasuke wasn't yet Sannin level.

 

[Zexion~]

If only you hadn't outright stated that Hidan>6G Gai in an attempt to support the fact that Hidan is Kage leveled, which is strength. :lol

I was high when I posted it in that context :lol I merely meant it as a point towards crediting him being low-kage don't see why his immortality allowing him to beat opponents doesn't boost his tier placement at all.

 

[ToshiZO]

If only you hadn't outright stated that Hidan>6G Gai in an attempt to support the fact that Hidan is Kage leveled, which is strength. :lol

Well endurance is a stat, its a part of ones strength. Overall Gai is stronger in a vacuum obviously but its not like Hidan's endurance dissappears when he's not fighting Gai. He has somewhat of a point there, but Hidan landing an attack on 6 Gates gai is not happening.

 

[KidGamer65]

Well endurance is a stat, its a part of ones strength. Overall Gai is stronger in a vacuum obviously but its not like Hidan's endurance dissappears when he's not fighting Gai. He has somewhat of a point there, but Hidan landing an attack on 6 Gates gai is not happening.

I know. I never said that it doesn't add anything to Hidan's power. All I said is that Hidan or anyone surviving a fight where they are easily overpowered because they can't be killed or hit doesn't make them stronger than said person.

 

[Zexion~]

I know. I never said that it doesn't add anything to Hidan's power. All I said is that Hidan or anyone surviving a fight where they are easily overpowered because they can't be killed or hit doesn't make them stronger than said person.

Maybe not said person but its still a feat of strength, just like every other defense feat.

 

[KidGamer65]

Maybe not said person but its still a feat of strength, just like every other defense feat.

Never said it wasn't so that's irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Outlasting someone is not proof you are stronger in any case. That's the point.

 

[Tazzilla88]

I know. I never said that it doesn't add anything to Hidan's power. All I said is that Hidan or anyone surviving a fight where they are easily overpowered because they can't be killed or hit doesn't make them stronger than said person.

I don't know how much I agree. I think the point of Hidan's immortality jutsu is that his immortality was his strength. (Outside of his immortality he'd basically be fodder, only capable of scratching people and torturing them.) And maintaining your strength after an opponent has expended their own is still a boost to your credit.

To use an analogy if two boxers are fighting head to head and one gets exhausted in the fifth round and there are seven rounds left, you are going to call the other boxer stronger.

While I agree that Hidan won't be touching 6g guy I do think that outlasting him is huge considering the way the gates work.

 

[KidGamer65]

I don't know how much I agree. I think the point of Hidan's immortality jutsu is that his immortality was his strength. (Outside of his immortality he'd basically be fodder, only capable of scratching people and torturing them.) And maintaining your strength after an opponent has expended their own is still a boost to your credit.

To use an analogy if two boxers are fighting head to head and one gets exhausted in the fifth round and there are seven rounds left, you are going to call the other boxer stronger.

While I agree that Hidan won't be touching 6g guy I do think that outlasting him is huge considering the way the gates work.

That all depends on how the fight is going. In a normal boxing match the person who is getting hit the most and the hardest is the one who will exhaust himself first, and that's why he's the weaker one.

If Hidan could use his immortality to actually do something to Gai then you could argue he's stronger than him, but there's no way that you can argue Hidan is stronger simply because Gai can't kill him. That's all match up type discussions, not strength discussions. The weakest Edo zombie would eventually outlast some of the strongest shinobi in the verse simply because they don't have a way to seal Edo Tensei on their own, but I know for a fact we aren't going to say that those zombies are stronger.

Is his immortality a part of his strength? Like I told Zex and ToshiZO yes, it is. That doesn't mean that simply outlasting an opponent makes you the stronger one.

 

[NarutoX28]

Still debatable as his move-set is literally designed for him to wear the opponent out but whatever :lol

The dude could compete with Obito's V2 Jinchuuriki and attacks so fast that his punches literally creates thousands of flames nigh instantaneously through friction. Hidan wouldn't even be capable of competing with 6th Gate Gai let alone Base Gai.

 

[Zexion~]

The dude could compete with Obito's V2 Jinchuuriki and attacks so fast that his punches literally creates thousands of flames nigh instantaneously through friction. Hidan wouldn't even be capable of competing with 6th Gate Gai let alone Base Gai.

Other way around, and Hidan competes with base just fine :lol

 

[Dizzldot]

whats neg diff but even easier lol thats what jiraiya does to sasuke

 

[Lord Tywin]

:lol Hidan isn't even kage level. To be put in the kage tier, you have to at least be able to beat the weakest kage in the manga. And that is either Gaara's father or Mei. Hidan can't, so he's a high jounin.

 

[ToshiZO]

:lol Hidan isn't even kage level. To be put in the kage tier, you have to at least be able to beat the weakest kage in the manga. And that is either Gaara's father or Mei. Hidan can't, so he's a high jounin.

Thats not how it works. There are characters who aren't kages out there who are at that level that can be beaten.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

He doesn't need gates. He's far superior in cqc. He can find something out to defeat him.

Exactly, Gates is overkill. Hidan doesn't have anything on base Gai. Gai is superior in every category entailing CQC. He'll easily disarm Hidan of his scythe, just like he did to Kisame and Samehada, and decapitate Hidan with it.

Databook also supports everything in Gai's favor against Hidan. Quick as flash reflexes to deal with opponents wielding weapons, and being skilled using them as well. Base Gai is more then enough to defeat Hidan.

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[ToshiZO]

Yea Gai using Hidan's own weapon against him is the only way he can win. Not in base though, he's not decapitating Hidan in base that's a joke, especially with a weapon that doesn't serve to decapitate.

If that scenario doesn't play out Gai loses.

Also the scythe is attached around Hidan's body, Gai is not disarming him, not when he's in base for sure.

 

[The Messiah]

I think these guys think immortality and durability are the same thing.

Durability - The ability to withstand wear, pressure, or damage.

Immortality - The ability to live forever; eternal life.

Gai can easily damage Hidan and find plenty of ways to incapacitate him. He just can't kill him.

 

[ToshiZO]

I think these guys think immortality and durability are the same thing.

Durability - The ability to withstand wear, pressure, or damage.

Immortality - The ability to live forever; eternal life.

Gai can easily damage Hidan and find plenty of ways to incapacitate him. He just can kill him.

Wrong Hidan is not just immortal he can withstand any amount of internal damage include broken bones as he heals from it instantly. He was moving with zero drawbacks with a broken spinal cord. Broken ribcage etc.
He has a healing factor.

Break a zombies spinal cord and they can't walk straight it's physically impossible. As long as its not dismemberment he laughs it off.

 

[Zexion~]

Wrong Hidan is not just immortal he can withstand any amount of internal damage include broken bones as he heals from it instantly. He was moving with zero drawbacks with a broken spinal cord. Broken ribcage etc.
He has a healing factor.

Break a zombies spinal cord and they can't walk straight it's physically impossible. As long as its not dismemberment he laughs it off.

I wouldn't say heals from it instantly, its more like his body shows no effects simply because he is immortal in both mind and body (an immortal body being that which won't break no matter how much it is damaged) people should be able to realize this rather simply though as having a normal body while being immortal would be absolutely pointless here, as it would already be ruined with the amount of times Hidan has damaged it himself :lol not to mentio the feats in the manga.

lol @ base gai beating Hidan.

 

[ToshiZO]

I wouldn't say heals from it instantly, its more like his body shows no effects simply because he is immortal in both mind and body (an immortal body being that which won't break no matter how much it is damaged) people should be able to realize this rather simply though as having a normal body while being immortal would be absolutely pointless here, as it would already be ruined with the amount of times Hidan has damaged it himself :lol not to mentio the feats in the manga.

lol @ base gai beating Hidan.

Well whatever the case, breaking bones and any internal damage doesn't affect him in the slightest. You actually need to dismember him, blunt force attacks aren't cutting it.

And yea Base Gai is not beating Hidan and he can't disarm Hidan when the scythe is wrapped around him, wherever the scythe goes Hidan goes, if Gai pulled on the scythe, Hidan comes with it.

 

[BlacLord™]

Are people seriously thinking Hebi Sasuke can win against Jiraiya? A man with such experience, such a huge stamina and arsenal? The man that could go toe to toe with the Rinnegan and forced Nagato to use dirty tactics to pull a win, and all because he knew Jiraiya's strength and admitted that he well could've won otherwise?


Hebi Sasuke is strong, but Jiraiya - especially SM Jiraiya, is two or three tiers above. Still, Hebi would put up a good fight and probably force this to be a mid-diff for Jiraiya.