Hebi Sasuke vs. Jiraiya

[Zexion~]

He swings, then Gai clobbers him. Then Gai clobbers him again. If Kisame can't react to Gai's kick in the 6th Gate Hidan isn't going to tag Gai or pressure him in the slightest in CQC.

Its different when Gai is already striking Hidan though, I guess I'm talking about ASK though as the time it takes to throw all those punches Hidan could strike Gai otherwise his strikes do send Hidan a decent distance. Also both Kisame and Hidan have the same CQC stats except strength so its not entirely comparable.

 

[KidGamer65]

Its different when Gai is already striking Hidan though, I guess I'm talking about ASK though as the time it takes to throw all those punches Hidan could strike Gai otherwise his strikes do send Hidan a decent distance. Also both Kisame and Hidan have the same CQC stats except strength so its not entirely comparable.

No, he can't. :lol Not sure how he's gonna strike past the fireballs and hit Gai directly while getting hit himself. There's no chance.

 

[RedRobin]

Its different when Gai is already striking Hidan though, I guess I'm talking about ASK though as the time it takes to throw all those punches Hidan could strike Gai otherwise his strikes do send Hidan a decent distance. Also both Kisame and Hidan have the same CQC stats except strength so its not entirely comparable.

Plus its almost impossible for Hidan to draw his ritual even if he manages to get blood. I highly doubt Gai would give him time to do anything let alone stand still.

 

[Zexion~]

No, he can't. :lol Not sure how he's gonna strike past the fireballs and hit Gai directly while getting hit himself. There's no chance.

His scythe has range, comes around the same way it went around Asuma, do the Fireballs even have continued force to them? They are caused by friction so its doubtful, all the force is applied to the punches themselves.

Plus its almost impossible for Hidan to draw his ritual even if he manages to get blood. I highly doubt Gai would give him time to do anything let alone stand still.

Didn't say he would just said he could strike Gai, which would probably limit his mobility however.

 

[KidGamer65]

His scythe has range, comes around the same way it went around Asuma, do the Fireballs even have continued force to them? They are caused by friction so its doubtful, all the force is applied to the punches themselves.



Didn't say he would just said he could strike Gai, which would probably limit his mobility however.

His scythe having range is irrelevant. No he can't send his scythe around Gai's

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nor would this even be possible when every inch of his body is getting pummeled.


Hidan never lands a single hit on Gai. Ever. Never ever. I really hope you aren't going to try and argue this.

 

[Zexion~]

His scythe having range is irrelevant. No he can't send his scythe around Gai's

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nor would this even be possible when every inch of his body is getting pummeled.


Hidan never lands a single hit on Gai. Ever. Never ever. I really hope you aren't going to try and argue this.

Gai has no reason to send force anywhere else except Hidan when using ASK here he's not stopping a jutsu, and that is my point when Hidan is getting pummeled he CAN still send an attack because the pain doesn't stop him from doing anything, not to mention it doesn't take much movement to send the scythe.

 

[KidGamer65]

Gai has no reason to send force anywhere else except Hidan when using ASK here he's not stopping a jutsu, and that is my point when Hidan is getting pummeled he CAN still send an attack because the pain doesn't stop him from doing anything, not to mention it doesn't take much movement to send the scythe.

No, he can't. What you are saying doesn't make sense. Whether or not he can move while feeling pain is irrelevant. The issue here is he can't move while getting pummeled on every inch of his body due to the force of said punches. The only time he has to strike Gai is before and after the attacks. Not during. :lol Stop trying to argue this ridiculous point. Hidan and 6G Gai are not comparable.

 

[Zexion~]

No, he can't. What you are saying doesn't make sense. Whether or not he can move while feeling pain is irrelevant. The issue here is he can't move while getting pummeled on every inch of his body due to the force of said punches. The only time he has to strike Gai is before and after the attacks. Not during. :lol Stop trying to argue this ridiculous point. Hidan and 6G Gai are not comparable.

Except the force isn't acting on every single point on the body at once :lol so he can still move his scythe if he continues to try while getting hit.

 

[KidGamer65]

Except the force isn't acting on every single point on the body at once :lol so he can still move his scythe if he continues to try while getting hit.

Obviously not at once, but that doesn't prove anything. What you need to prove is that Hidan can move fast enough to attack during the gaps in between Gai's punches, but since he can't move anywhere near as fast as Gai strikes you don't have a point.

Lmao he won't even be able to move yet you are arguing that he'll have enough time to move with enough force to actually throw and pierce Gai. :lol Let's be real.

 

[Zexion~]

Obviously not at once, but that doesn't prove anything. What you need to prove is that Hidan can move fast enough to attack during the gaps in between Gai's punches, but since he can't move anywhere near as fast as Gai strikes you don't have a point.

Lmao he won't even be able to move yet you are arguing that he'll have enough time to move with enough force to actually throw and pierce Gai. :lol Let's be real.

Fam what?

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He only needs to barely move the chain in order to maneuver it once it leaves his hand, and Gai won't be very far away from him. Not to mention he can throw it pretty quickly as the above scan shows.

But whatever he still wins, and in the end that is all that matters.

 

[KidGamer65]

Fam what?

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He only needs to barely move the chain in order to maneuver it once it leaves his hand, and Gai won't be very far away from him. Not to mention he can throw it pretty quickly as the above scan shows.

But whatever he still wins, and in the end that is all that matters.

And none of that addresses what I said nor does it prove your point. Hidan isn't as strong or stronger than 6G Gai. Not a chance.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Gai would chop hidan's neck off with a kunai

 

[Zexion~]

And none of that addresses what I said nor does it prove your point. Hidan isn't as strong or stronger than 6G Gai. Not a chance.

Still debatable as his move-set is literally designed for him to wear the opponent out but whatever :lol

 

[KidGamer65]

Still debatable as his move-set is literally designed for him to wear the opponent out but whatever :lol

It baffles me how anyone could actually sit here and try to tell me that Hidan being able to outlast someone means that he is stronger. :lol This is what happens when you use flawed logic to argue strength like who wins in a fight when who wins in a fight and who's stronger are two completely different questions.

 

[Zexion~]

It baffles me how anyone could actually sit here and try to tell me that Hidan being able to outlast someone means that he is stronger. :lol This is what happens when you use flawed logic to argue strength like who wins in a fight when who wins in a fight and who's stronger are two completely different questions.

Because it comes from his immortality that no one else has, and gai's gates have a limit which means it can be exploited which thus means Hidans abilities top Gais.

 

[KidGamer65]

Because it comes from his immortality that no one else has, and gai's gates have a limit which means it can be exploited which thus means Hidans abilities top Gais.

Who cares? Outlasting someone doesn't mean you are stronger than them. Period. If Hidan has to outlast Gai's full power to win then it means Hidan is weak as shit compared to Gai. Nothing more, nothing less.

Match ups and strength are two different things entirely. By your logic 8G Gai is weaker than Hidan because punches "apparently can't put him down" and that's all Gai has in the 8th Gate. By your logic Obito>EMS Madara because Obito can outlast him. :lol :lol :lol Please learn how to determine strength. Who wins in a vs. battle is irrelevant. Not sure how many times that has to be said before you understand that simple concept.

"Hidan's abilities top Gai's".

Lmao. Put Hidan in almost any match up 6G Gai would be in and he'd perform significantly worse because he's significantly weaker than Gai.

 

[neosmith500]

LMAO at 6G Gai being compared to Hidan of all people , Gai pummels the crap outa him with his Nunchaku and smashes his skull while beating him to a pulp...Hidan outlasting is a joke here when simply smashing the crap out of hidan's knee-caps would effectively make him a useless duck waiting to be killed..

 

[Zexion~]

Who cares? Outlasting someone doesn't mean you are stronger than them. Period. If Hidan has to outlast Gai's full power to win then it means Hidan is weak as shit compared to Gai. Nothing more, nothing less.

Match ups and strength are two different things entirely. By your logic 8G Gai is weaker than Hidan because punches "apparently can't put him down" and that's all Gai has in the 8th Gate. By your logic Obito>EMS Madara because Obito can outlast him. :lol :lol :lol Please learn how to determine strength. Who wins in a vs. battle is irrelevant. Not sure how many times that has to be said before you understand that simple concept.

"Hidan's abilities top Gai's".

Lmao. Put Hidan in almost any match up 6G Gai would be in and he'd perform significantly worse because he's significantly weaker than Gai.

Most of my effort in this argument was towards proving that Hidan could strike Gai I really don't care about strength I was merely saying that he beats 6G gai which is still impressive enough.

 

[ToshiZO]

Gai is above Hidan in a tier list, but Hidan beats him. Nothing more nothing less.

 

[KidGamer65]

Most of my effort in this argument was towards proving that Hidan could strike Gai I really don't care about strength I was merely saying that he beats 6G gai which is still impressive enough.

If only you hadn't outright stated that Hidan>6G Gai in an attempt to support the fact that Hidan is Kage leveled, which is strength. :lol