[VS] Healthy Itachi(MS) vs Mobile Nagato(Rinnegan)

[V h o]

He can't summon his Paths actually, seeing as he's the one who physically controls all of them. It takes him to his limit to control them, and while he does he's completely vulnerable.

The puppets aren't even needed. Nagato has all their powers.

 

[LustyLover]

The puppets aren't even needed. Nagato has all their powers.

Read please

 

[UnwntdHouseG]

He can't summon his Paths actually, seeing as he's the one who physically controls all of them. It takes him to his limit to control them, and while he does he's completely vulnerable.

If Nagato made the pains once im sure he can do it again...also i never said that he has to be in the open fighting w/ them against itachi...sure he is going to be weak afterwards but im sure that its gonna be a job well done when hes through

 

[LustyLover]

If Nagato made the pains once im sure he can do it again...also i never said that he has to be in the open fighting w/ them against itachi...sure he is going to be weak afterwards but im sure that its gonna be a job well done when hes through

Do you know how wrong that whole entire comment was?

What you're saying is the Six Paths vs Itachi, in which case I already had a whole entire argument stating exactly why Itachi would win.

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You could read it if you want It's the last page on the thread.

 

[assface3]

Thanks for that reminder of nagato being controlled and not even using 1/2 of his abilities but since nagato can move around on his own control he can summon his "People" after he remakes them.

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Goodnight itachi.since the rinnegan can since when amaterasu is coming you cant hit him w/ it

Now you're getting off-topic. This is mobile Nagato vs healthy Itachi, not Six Paths of Pain vs Itachi.

And Nagato was using, at least, 90% of his power, regardless of being controlled, especially since he used his endgame technique Chibaku Tensei; Itachi was using 70% of his power and arsenal max.

On top of all of that, you're forgetting that he needs actual bodies to use the Six Paths of Pain technique.

 

[LustyLover]

Now you're getting off-topic. This is mobile Nagato vs healthy Itachi, not Six Paths of Pain vs Itachi.

And Nagato was using, at least, 90% of his power, regardless of being controlled, especially since he used his endgame technique Chibaku Tensei; Itachi was using 70% of his power and arsenal max.

On top of all of that, you're forgetting that he needs actual bodies to use the Six Paths of Pain technique.

Not to mention that he most likely cannot dodge Amaterasu. Seeing it coming and dodging it aren't the same thing. Ay saw it and was able to dodge it, but Obito couldn't dodge it even though he still saw it. It's all speed and reaction timing, and while the Path's are decently fast, they're not on Ay's level in terms of speed.

 

[genii96]

Nagato stomps him

 

[UnwntdHouseG]

I wonder if my BS will help you understand how dumb i really am. I also wonder if this fight is taking place during or before the 4GNW because if its before and Nagato has all the abilities as he does during the war than he wins. With the rinnegan Nagato can control the Juubi. If the ten tails comes and obeys Nagatos command, then i guess the first thing he will say will be something like "Kill" automatically the Juubi charges up a bijuu bomb and launches it somewhere around itachi while Nagato can Almighty Push his ass in the explosion and takes itachis lims as souvenirs

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[LustyLover]

Nagato stomps him

You could say Tonton owns Hagoromo, but what proof do you have behind that?

 

[LustyLover]

I wonder if my BS will help you understand how dumb i really am. I also wonder if this fight is taking place during or before the 4GNW because if its before and Nagato has all the abilities as he does during the war than he wins. With the rinnegan Nagato can control the Juubi. If the ten tails comes and obeys Nagatos command, then i guess the first thing he will say will be something like "Kill" automatically the Juubi charges up a bijuu bomb and launches it somewhere around itachi while Nagato can Almighty Push his ass in the explosion and takes itachis lims as souvenirs

I think I just died ROFL

 

[V h o]

Read please

I'm sorry read what? I hardly ever read other posts.

 

[LustyLover]

I'm sorry read what? I hardly ever read other posts.

If you're going to state your opinion on a thread, at least care to read other people's opinions as well, seeing as they read yours.

 

[V h o]

If you're going to state your opinion on a thread, at least care to read other people's opinions as well, seeing as they read yours.

Depends on if someone is overly bias or not. As I was saying before what did you want me to read?

 

[LustyLover]

What is Nagato best at? Ninjutsu. What are his weaknesses? Taijutsu and Genjutsu. What does Itachi major in? Taijutsu and Genjutsu. Don't even get me started on Amaterasu.

The majority of Nagato's so called "advantage" over Itachi is Chibaku Tensei, Shinra Tensei, Summons, and the Gedo Mazo. I'll counter all of them.

Chibaku Tensei: When Nagato launched this attack against the trio, it did what it always does: it used its gravitational pull to force them all to fly towards the black orb, along with other debris and projectiles in order to crush them. Itachi escaped it by ordering Naruto and Bee to use their strongest long ranged attack. When they all used it, it created an explosion so colossal that it made me question why they all needed to attack it together.

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The truth is that they didn't need to attack it together. All Itachi needs to do is throw a few extra Yasaka Magatamas and the core would explode, ending its gravitational pull and threat to Itachi. I mean seriously.. the orb is seriously small, smaller than a tennis ball. A few Yasaka Magatamas is more than enough to destroy it.

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Bansho Tennin: As we all know this is the usage of gravity to pull an opponent towards you. This one's quite simple, really. If he uses Bansho Tennin, Itachi can just summon Susano'o and he'll be dragging the Susano'o toward him with Itachi perfectly safe, and when Nagato uses the Preta Path to absorb the Susano'o, Itachi can either leave the Susano'o and resummon it or stab Nagato with the Sakegari Blade, which Nagato CANNOT absorb due to the fact that it is an ethereal object, something that does not possess chakra and therefore cannot be absorbed by the Preta. I know some people say that Nagato could Bansho Tennin him from his Susano'o, but I'm afraid that is ABSOLUTELY false. Even though it looks far from it, a Susano'o is solid and is literally the greatest defense we have ever seen in this show. It's like saying Nagato can Bansho Tennin someone from behind a wall; it's not happening.

Summons: Itachi already demonstrated what he needed to do to cancel Nagato's visual link. Itachi will simply repeat what he once did and use his kunai to sever the visual link. But if he doesn't want to do that, he can take advantage of the visual link and cast Tsukuyomi upon one of the Rinnegan summons, therefore affecting Nagato and exposing his biggest weakness (Genjutsu). So as you see, even if Itachi for some reason doesn't use crows to cast his genjutsu or he doesn't use Shunshin no Jutsu to teleport near his face and cast it, he can exploit the Rinnegan's visual link to still use Genjutsu.

Gedo Mazo: I'm not one of those Itachi fanboys that says Totsuka Blade GG, but taking advantage of the Gedo's massive size should be, well, quite easy. It's not fast, it's not agile, so what's stopping him from piercing it and sealing it with the Totsuka before it launches its attack? That's right: nothing. Even if for some reason Itachi doesn't want to seal it or cannot, Hanzo escaped the soul stealing jutsu by simply teleporting away. Seeing as Itachi's best friend was Shisui the Teleporter and also happened to be his mentor, I think it's quite true when I say he can just use Shunshin no Jutsu to teleport away from it.

All in all, I don't see this being an easy fight for either of the two. Both are extremely proficient in their own right, and exist in their own leagues, but in the end, I do see Itachi winning this battle.


Edit: I added a few things that you might want to read.

That's what I meant for you to read.

 

[Braiyan]

With manga knowledge, no perfect jinchurikis around to save him, and mobility granted to Nagato, Itachi loses this fight handily.

What should be noted is that even when healthy, Itachi has

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from using 2-3 MS techniques. Nagato being able to counter (comfortably) each MS technique does not bode well for Itachi lasting long in this fight.

Amaterasu can be anticipated as it was in canon via sensing, then countered with Nagato either throwing

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, Shinra Tensei(

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), or absorbing the flames via Preta Path. The same applies for all of Itachi's other offensive ninjutsu.

Tsukuyomi requires Nagato to look into Itachi's eyes, something he is not going to do with knowledge. The same applies for Sharingan genjutsu in general. Even the one genjutsu Itachi casts with his finger requires the target to be looking at said finger in the first place, which Nagato can avoid via ... not looking at Itachi's finger. And he doesn't need to, not when his sensor skills help him anticipate attacks, and his animal summons provide extra viewpoints for him (which also don't have to look into Itachi's eyes).

Susano'o

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upon the body of an MS user, so much pain that the user

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even

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the technique for lengthened periods of time. On top of all of this, it takes time for Itachi to form his Final Version of Susano'o, time in which Nagato could just summon his bird, take to the air, and rain Asura Path missiles on the parts of Susano'o not protected by the shield. Any Magatamas Itachi tries to throw up get blasted back at him with Shinra Tensei, overwhelmed with an Asura Path chakra cannon, or outright dodged thanks to Nagato sensing it coming, and the fact that they have no feats of being anywhere as fast as Sasuke's Susano'o arrows.

Nagato could outlast Itachi if he wanted to, and there isn't much Itachi can do about it. He's going to need Amaterasu to deal with summons like the immortal multiplying dog, the bull and the rhino due to their sheer size and strength. And even in the dog's case, Nagato could just choose to keep them in their separated forms to give Itachi even more targets to waste his chakra on.

On the other hand, if Nagato's particularly pissed that day, he could just use Chibaku Tensei and crush Itachi in a mini moon. And no, Itachi's Yasaka Magatama (

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) is not enough to destroy the core, not when none of the Magatamas used within the manga have shown destructive capacity even coming close to 4 tailed Naruto's Tailed Beast Bomb:

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This is important simply because a stronger version of that Kyuubi Naruto also tried

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, and

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. Thus Itachi has no hope of stopping Chibaku Tensei and would either lose via being crushed to death, or suffocation, whichever happens first. Gedo Mazo with its casual shockwaves and soul sucking dragons is also a game-ender.

 

[genii96]

You could say Tonton owns Hagoromo, but what proof do you have behind that?

The fact that nagato easily handles his offence while crushinh his defence. Ct,gedo,cst just rips him apart

 

[LustyLover]

With manga knowledge, no perfect jinchurikis around to save him, and mobility granted to Nagato, Itachi loses this fight handily.

What should be noted is that even when healthy, Itachi has

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from using 2-3 MS techniques. Nagato being able to counter (comfortably) each MS technique does not bode well for Itachi lasting long in this fight.

Amaterasu can be anticipated as it was in canon via sensing, then countered with Nagato either throwing

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, Shinra Tensei(

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), or absorbing the flames via Preta Path. The same applies for all of Itachi's other offensive ninjutsu.

Tsukuyomi requires Nagato to look into Itachi's eyes, something he is not going to do with knowledge. The same applies for Sharingan genjutsu in general. Even the one genjutsu Itachi casts with his finger requires the target to be looking at said finger in the first place, which Nagato can avoid via ... not looking at Itachi's finger. And he doesn't need to, not when his sensor skills help him anticipate attacks, and his animal summons provide extra viewpoints for him (which also don't have to look into Itachi's eyes).

Susano'o

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upon the body of an MS user, so much pain that the user

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even

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the technique for lengthened periods of time. On top of all of this, it takes time for Itachi to form his Final Version of Susano'o, time in which Nagato could just summon his bird, take to the air, and rain Asura Path missiles on the parts of Susano'o not protected by the shield. Any Magatamas Itachi tries to throw up get blasted back at him with Shinra Tensei, overwhelmed with an Asura Path chakra cannon, or outright dodged thanks to Nagato sensing it coming, and the fact that they have no feats of being anywhere as fast as Sasuke's Susano'o arrows. Nagato could outlast Itachi if he wanted to, and there isn't much Itachi can do about it. He's going to need Amaterasu to deal with summons like the immortal multiplying dog, the bull and the rhino due to their sheer size and strength. And even in the dog's case, Nagato could just choose to keep them in their separated forms to give Itachi even more targets to waste his chakra on.

On the other hand, if Nagato's particularly pissed that day, he could just use Chibaku Tensei and crush Itachi in a mini moon. And no, Itachi's Yasaka Magatama (

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) is not enough to destroy the core, not when none of the Magatamas used within the manga have shown destructive capacity even coming close to 4 tailed Naruto's Tailed Beast Bomb:

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This is important simply because a stronger version of that Kyuubi Naruto also tried

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, and

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. Thus Itachi has no hope of stopping Chibaku Tensei and would either lose via being crushed to death, or suffocation, whichever happens first. Gedo Mazo with its casual shockwaves and soul sucking dragons is also a game-ender.

- Itachi has shown fatigue when he was suffering from a terminal illness that should of killed him about five years ago. This thread says HEALTHY Itachi, so now he has very high chakra and stamina reserves.

- As for Nagato being able to sense Amaterasu? Absolutely false. When Nagato anticipated Amaterasu in his battle against Itachi, it ended up being Koto Amatsukami. So, no, Nagato might know that Itachi is casting a Genjutsu and think it's Tsukuyomi, but it could end up being Amaterasu without Nagato even anticipating it.

- Itachi doesn't need to look at Nagato's eyes to cast Tsukuyomi. Instead, he can simply go over to one of his summons and cast it on that, and then Nagato is casted under it as well. Also, Itachi has shown proficient mind manipulation. He forced DSM Kabuto to tell him the Edo Tensei Technique by simply casting a Genjutsu. Sasuke controlled Manda with a 3 Tomoe basic Sharingan while being a novice at Genjutsu. Itachi > Sasuke in Genjutsu by far, so he'll just control all of the summons Nagato uses for his advantage.

- Susano'o only "wrecks" pain upon the body if you misuse it and are already near blindness. A healthy Itachi can maintain it for long periods of time.

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- Um, yes, Yasaka Magatamas are more than able to destroy the core.

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I already talked about this. READ. The small size will be the death of it. Kyuubi Naruto tried destroying Chibaku Tensei with a Bijuu Bomb AFTER it was way over meteor size. He didn't actually hit the core like Itachi would do.

- I already explained how Itachi ends the Gedo Mazo. He seals it with Sakegari. Since Gedo is so slow and and colossal it's extremely easy to pierce. Itachi will pierce it with no difficulty at all, and seal it away forever.

 

[assface3]

I wonder if my BS will help you understand how dumb i really am. I also wonder if this fight is taking place during or before the 4GNW because if its before and Nagato has all the abilities as he does during the war than he wins. With the rinnegan Nagato can control the Juubi. If the ten tails comes and obeys Nagatos command, then i guess the first thing he will say will be something like "Kill" automatically the Juubi charges up a bijuu bomb and launches it somewhere around itachi while Nagato can Almighty Push his ass in the explosion and takes itachis lims as souvenirs

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No manga proof suggesting that Nagato could control the Ten Tails.

And plus, one does not simply control the Ten Tails. It took Edo Madara and Obito, with Hashirama's cells, to control the Ten Tails, and even then their control over the Ten Tails wasn't perfect.

 

[Braiyan]

- Itachi has shown fatigue when he was suffering from a terminal illness that should of killed him about five years ago. This thread says HEALTHY Itachi, so now he has very high chakra and stamina reserves.

Where was it said that Itachi was suffering from his illness during Part One?

- As for Nagato being able to sense Amaterasu? Absolutely false. When Nagato anticipated Amaterasu in his battle against Itachi, it ended up being Koto Amatsukami. So, no, Nagato might know that Itachi is casting a Genjutsu and think it's Tsukuyomi, but it could end up being Amaterasu without Nagato even anticipating it.

Itachi did not cast Koto Amatsukami.

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. That was how he designed KA to be used. Not to mention the mere fact that

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(which always happens whenever Amaterasu is used) and

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implies that he was going to make Itachi use Amaterasu before his control over him got overridden with KA. Therefore that does not invalidate Nagato's feat of sensing Amaterasu.

- - Itachi doesn't need to look at Nagato's eyes to cast Tsukuyomi. Instead, he can simply go over to one of his summons and cast it on that, and then Nagato is casted under it as well.

1. The summons can avoid his eyes too.
2. Where is your proof that Nagato would fall under a genjutsu being attempted on his summon?

Also, Itachi has shown proficient mind manipulation. He forced DSM Kabuto to tell him the Edo Tensei Technique by simply casting a Genjutsu. Sasuke controlled Manda with a 3 Tomoe basic Sharingan while being a novice at Genjutsu. Itachi > Sasuke in Genjutsu by far, so he'll just control all of the summons Nagato uses for his advantage.

If said summons were looking at his eyes, which they won't be since Nagato knows not to do that. And in the event that a summon does fall for genjutsu, Nagato simply cancels the summon.

- - Susano'o only "wrecks" pain upon the body if you misuse it and are already near blindness. A healthy Itachi can maintain it for long periods of time.

Wrong. Sasuke was healthy, and he still suffered from the effects of using Susano'o constantly.

- Um, yes, Yasaka Magatamas are more than able to destroy the core.

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I already talked about this. READ. The small size will be the death of it.

Lol. You do realize that small ball is the same one that

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under the pressure of

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? There is no way Chibaku Tensei's core is fragile enough to be destroyed by something that couldn't even take out a cave ceiling.

- Kyuubi Naruto tried destroying Chibaku Tensei with a Bijuu Bomb AFTER it was way over meteor size. He didn't actually hit the core like Itachi would do.

Which wouldn't do crap since Yasaka Magatama doesn't even have feats of taking out anything hill-sized, whereas the core of Chibaku Tensei survives after having mountains of rubble smashed into it and an 8 tailed bijuu breaking out of it.

- I already explained how Itachi ends the Gedo Mazo. He seals it with Sakegari. Since Gedo is so slow and and colossal it's extremely easy to pierce. Itachi will pierce it with no difficulty at all, and seal it away forever.

Nagato blasts back the sword with Shinra Tensei and lets Gedo Mazo do its work.

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before taking him out with soul dragons.

 

[UnwntdHouseG]

No manga proof suggesting that Nagato could control the Ten Tails.

And plus, one does not simply control the Ten Tails. It took Edo Madara and Obito, with Hashirama's cells, to control the Ten Tails, and even then their control over the Ten Tails wasn't perfect.

1. It was actually Madara after he revived to seal inside himself the ten tails. 2. I never said that Nagato has to seal the juubi inside his body, simply summon like the "Accidents" that he's done when he was a teenager...I'm pretty sure that Nagato can use some sort of powerful genjutsu on the juubi, almost as obito used on Karuma when HE was also a teenager...Yeah i know throwing out the juubi is a last resort but the resort must be something that has a possibility on happening.

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