Have we really seen Itachi's true potential?

[Bronze]

If Itachi lived long enough with no Illness he would have reached to EMS Madara's level.

Itachi has the potential to surpass even EMS Madara. But no we haven't seen what he can really do.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

If Itachi lived long enough with no Illness he would have reached to EMS Madara's level.

Itachi has the potential to surpass even EMS Madara. But no we haven't seen what he can really do.

Itachi went completely blind before he died, also robbing him of his Sharingan and MS jutsus which were his strongest attributes.

His disease was also a result of Susanoo, it drains the user's life and damages their cells.

We have seen what he can do. He's intelligent, fast, skilled, and we've seen his jutsu arsenal.

 

[Airbear]

Itachi is the most overrated ninja in my opinion. U_U He soloed shinobi who were weak at the time. hmm Well, except maybe Deidara wasn't weak but c'mon he even got soloed by a 3-tomoe Uchiha, Sasuke. :| Uchiha and Raiton users are Deidara's weakness. :eww: Sasuke was the worst opponent Deidara could ever fight. :yeah:

More than anything, Itachi can never do what Madara can and that is to solo an army or several shinobi at once.

u hate on itachi so often its not even funny. 3 tomoe beat itachi cuz of plot fckn idiot. hebi sasuke gets one-shotted by itachi with killing intent

 

[Itachi Edo]

No, Sasuke was born with the highest potential.



Yes. Deidara was 19 when he died and was Orochimaru's replacement, whom left Akatsuki 10 years ago. 19 - 10 = 9.

Yes, Kurenai put Itachi in the genjutsu and was about to stab him. Unfortunately, instead of just stabbing him in the back or slicing his throat, she moved in front of him and stared into his eyes, which allowed him to reflect the genjutsu onto her.

Seriously, Itachi solo'd her low diff as soon as she used the genjutsu. Back when she first stepped back to perform it he'd already seen through it.

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[Itachi Edo]

Let me start by saying that the manga states Sasuke has more potential.

Itachi grew up in a time of war and was forced to mature fast, Sasuke was not. Sharingan is awoken due to a life or death situation, which Itachi experienced at a younger age than Sasuke. The Sharingan and it's abilities also helped Itachi excel.

Obito was also a Chuunin by the time he was 13 and didn't need the Sharingan to accomplish that, and then became Jonin-level when he did awaken the Sharingan. That is the type of boost it provides the user, that is what it did for Itachi as well.

Madara was also killing Jonin-level Senju as a kid without the Sharingan, and he is considered the greatest Uchiha... Sasuke has the potential to surpass him.

Sasuke is a late-bloomer, he started later than the other three Uchihas but he's destined for more.

Fair points. However, I still think Itachi fully healthy would beat current Sasuke off the difference in their intelligence and observation skills alone.

 

[AGoodBoy]

He did. We've seen Itachi's abilities, and his most powerful jutsus stemming from MS.

The fact that hiruzen itachi showed a summoning jutsu, yasaka magatama and izanami, with knowledge on izanagi, should be enough to tell you we didn't see his full potential. The fact that tobi(obeyed his orders not to touch itachi), orochimaru(claimed inferiority after stomping 2 kage), and danzo feared itachi should be an even bigger hint.

But, the biggest hintof all should be the fact that he was a pacifist spu who never used killing intent and was as reliant on life extending medication as madara was on gedo masu.

Not because we've seen all it a chi's techniques (assuming we even have) means we've seen what he's actually capableof when he wants to kill.

 

[Owarij]

Everytime we see Itachi he pulls out something new.. Izanami, Summoning jutsu.. a new genjutsu... something

According to Kakashi

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(Which btw, he made this statement before Itachi let him know he had the mangekyou sharingan) , we have far from seen what Itachi is capable of ..

 

[FleeOnSight]

Yes and I wasn't impressed. He also died a virgin and best friends with a fish.

 

[startup97]

Yes we have, now it's Hiruzen's turn.

Spoiler

OH YA BRING ON THE PAIN!!!!!

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[UltimateDeadpool]

Fair points. However, I still think Itachi fully healthy would beat current Sasuke off the difference in their intelligence and observation skills alone.

A healthy Itachi with mastery of MS cannot exist, since mastering Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi made him nearly blind and mastering Susanoo left him nearly dead.

The fact that hiruzen itachi showed a summoning jutsu, yasaka magatama and izanami, with knowledge on izanagi, should be enough to tell you we didn't see his full potential. The fact that tobi(obeyed his orders not to touch itachi), orochimaru(claimed inferiority after stomping 2 kage), and danzo feared itachi should be an even bigger hint.

But, the biggest hintof all should be the fact that he was a pacifist spu who never used killing intent and was as reliant on life extending medication as madara was on gedo masu.

Not because we've seen all it a chi's techniques (assuming we even have) means we've seen what he's actually capableof when he wants to kill.

Itachi doesn't have anything else to show unless Kishimoto gives him something else to show. Itachi has been in many fights during the series, more than most other characters, and has had ample opportunity to show everything of value in his arsenal.

Obito didn't obey anything, he made a sham deal with Itachi and used him for his own ends. The context of Orochimaru's statement was that he couldn't take Itachi's body, not beat him. And Danzo didn't show any fear of Itachi, especially since he sent Sai to kill Sasuke knowing that it would piss Itachi off.

We've seen what Itachi's capable of when he wants to win.

Everytime we see Itachi he pulls out something new.. Izanami, Summoning jutsu.. a new genjutsu... something

According to Kakashi

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(Which btw, he made this statement before Itachi let him know he had the mangekyou sharingan) , we have far from seen what Itachi is capable of ..

Every time we see any high-level character fight they use something new.

Kakashi was aware of the Mangekyou Sharingan. Kakashi also said that after Itachi used two jutsus, of course Itachi had more than that under his belt.

 

[Itachi75]

beating a dead horse. lol-
but yeah i believe we never saw his true power.
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Tobi and danzo feared him. and Danzo nearly passed out when Sasuke appeared as Itachi. showing that Danzo was creeped out by Itachi's mere presence

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

beating a dead horse. lol-
but yeah i believe we never saw his true power.
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Tobi and danzo feared him. and Danzo nearly passed out when Sasuke appeared as Itachi. showing that Danzo was creeped out by Itachi's mere presence

They NEVER feared him.

 

[Kinimaster]

Of course not. Itachi is one of that characters that never showed his full capabilities or all out strength, because he actually beat everyone with relatively low difficulty, he was in control in almost every one of his battles.

Also his style is to make the opponent lose fast without wasting much chakra or doing much effort.

 

[Blaze Release]

Orochimaru, who was dying and had no killing intent. Itachi resisted the soul transfer and Orochimaru left.

You can moan and groan and even throw your toys out of the pram all you like, it still doesn't change what is in the manga which is orochimaru's defeat, yes defeat.

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Interesting you make an argument for orochimaru both of which is moot.
First of all, its true orochimaru was 'dying' and had no intent to kill, but you see itachi was 11 and was just beginning to peak.

Next you seem to be stuck on this 'dying and no killing intent'.
Orochimaru never, ill repeat never waits until he is on his death bed to use the Fushi Tensei. Only when he is desperate will he wait long enough to possess who he wants to possess. Example at the end of part 1, the only reason he waited this long before going through with the technique was because Sasuke was taking too long. Apart from that, he allows himself some leeway, but he never goes through with the technique at the last moments when his current body starts to reject him and he starts feeling pain and is basically weakened.

So yes while orochimaru was in need of a body, he was no where near 'dying' at that moment. He was after all, out and about and not exactly bed ridden.

As for your killing intent, its another moot point. He has witnessed that, taking over Itachi's body is futile and got his hand cut off. You can use killing intent when he decided to take over itachi, but once that failed you cannot use killing intent as there was no reason not to kill itachi anymore, but also if anything itachi has wounded him surely orochimaru is vengeful he would want to kill itachi.

So killing intent excuse, cannot be used after his ritual failed. He can go on and kill itachi. No need to keep him alive after the ritual failed. However orochimaru even after the technique failing and getting his hand cut off, he still didn't want some. The reason is because if you can look at the bigger picture, Itachi is stronger than him. Itachi possesses an ability where he restrains himself, but does enough for his victims to witness the gap in power. Its this same thing itachi did, for Orochimaru to understand that, yes taking orochmaru itachi isn't happening, but also defeating him aswell.

He admitted inferiority on 2 occasions in part 1 and in part 2 his whole idea for defeating Itachi was relying on Sasuke's body and that in itself failed. [

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]. That was his only hope, taking over Sasuke.

Face it or rather move on, Orochimaru is beneath Itachi.!

Deidara, whom was about 9 years old and didn't know anything about Itachi or the Sharingan, while Itachi knew about Deidara's abilities and boxed him in a small room.

Nicely done. You have actually confirmed something to me. I was always skeptical, at what age itachi became an akatsuki member and made orochimaru look like a fool. Itachi fans claim 11 as that is what the figures say. Others say 13/14 as that is what makes more sense but also how could he become an akatsuki member when he was still in konoha.

What i am trying to say is that, there is a 2 year gap between itachi and Deidara, so if Deidara is 9, itachi is 11. So both were not exactly at their peak and the 2 gap means nothing, when itachi has made orochimaru who was in his 40's at that time look like a fool.

Dunno bout boxed in a room though. That is where Deidara was located and that is where the fight took place.
Besides i see nothing wrong here. Orochimaru's departure was at the hands of Itachi. Its only fair that since Itachi forcefully made orochimaru depart, he has to forcefully recruit a replacement

Kakashi, who fought fairly evenly against Itachi but mistakenly believed that his Sharingan would protect him from Tsukiyomi.

Fairly evenly?. Kakashi was out of breathe and was barely keeping up with his ninjutsu execution, who later talked about itachi's accomplishments as a kid and the fact that he wasn't fighting at half his strength. Evenly, note quiet. Also its hinted both in the manga and DB that the sharingan does grant a bit of protection agains't tsukuyomi therefore , nope he wasn't mistaken

Kurenai, not a high-level character but came close to killing Itachi.

I laughed. Yes i have seen others quote that and you have given a reply. However lets not insult my intelligence, by trying to validate such nonsense

Sasuke, whom had a hard time against Deidara and admitted he only beat Orochimaru because he was dying.

Yes, that orochimaru is different from the orochimaru that Itachi faced.
Firstly the orochimaru that itachi faced wasn't bed ridden, yes his time was coming up for a new host, however it wasn't there yet, unlike the orochimaru who sasuke faced who time was up and needed a host asap.

Next the sasuke orochimaru faced has had majority of his techniques sealed. The orochimaru, itachi faced had not.

Jiraiya, whom Itachi had no reason to lie about. Kisame doubted if Itachi was a match for Jiraiya and wanted to avoid going after Naruto, but Itachi insisted that he's Jiraiya's equal and went after Naruto despite Kisame's hesitations. If Itachi wanted an out, Kisame gave it to him, he didn't take it; there was no reason to lie.

Personally there is 1001 reasons that members have come up with. Im not going there because its been discussed from the beginning of time. Its up to a member to use their own initiative and pick their poison. However while not going into this discussion what i will say is that, Jiraiya nor kishi has given me any reason to believe that Jiraiay is equal to Itachi. Hype, feats and manag portrayal doesn't convince me. On the same note Jiraiya taking itachi to high diff in a fight, let alone winning hasn't crossed my mind. Appears Kisame after witnessing the exchange also believes this.

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Yes we have, now it's Hiruzen's turn.

Sig is boss!....


OT: Itachi showed us all his powerful techniques, however he never used them to their full capabilities.

 

[miromiro]

because he blamed himself on the Uchiha Massacre happening. He believed in the end that with Sasuke he could have prevented it from happening obviously better than ending it via genocide. So just be turning to something as evil as genocide, he considers himself a failure. Then there's Sasuke. He taught Sasuke to hate some much so that Sasuke couldn't stop hating, so he transferred his hatred of Itachi to the hatred of the village, continuing the Curse of Hatred rather than ending it as planned. Of course, Sasuke is responsible for his own heinous actions but Itachi shares some the blame. Itachi also came to see his plan to mind-control Sasuke was wrong since it robbed him of free will. Itachi is one of the most powerful characters but he did much good but much evil also resulted for his actions. This is what makes Itachi a complex character.

I know all this, my post about why he's considering himself a failure was more of a metaphor. He is still a genius though.

 

[Oblivionx]

The fact remains that most of the fights Itachi was in, he wasn't trying to kill the other person.

Guys Itachi has Fought:
Orochimaru(Genjutsu Win)
Deidara(Genjutsu Win)
Kakashi(Loyal to Leaf Village, easily could have killed him)
Kurenai(Loyal to Leaf Village)
Sasuke(Didn't want to kill his brother, Obito even said he would have killed him if he was trying)
Jiraya(Loyal to Leaf Village, lied and said he's too dangerous)

well i disagree with jiraya's case...! he had a reason to say and do things in all other cases but what he said about jiraya was his opinion...! it wasn't needed to avoid fighting jiraya...! so i don't see how he lied...!

 

[iFlowMotion]

Itachi never fought seriously. He always held back.

 

[Mellanoma]

The fodder is six feet under

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U Mad?

 

[H a n]

Sadly, he made a plan and he stuck with it. Itachi keeps rising.

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

u hate on itachi so often its not even funny. 3 tomoe beat itachi cuz of plot fckn idiot. hebi sasuke gets one-shotted by itachi with killing intent

You are the ****ing idiot. :devil: I wasn't even referring to Sasuke and Itachi's fight. U_U I was talking about Sasuke and Deidara's fight. How Deidara's weaknesses are Uchiha and lightening style users. :yeah:

Everytime we see Itachi he pulls out something new.. Izanami, Summoning jutsu.. a new genjutsu... something

No you are wrong. That applies to Madara, not Itachi. hmm

Itachi never fought seriously. He always held back.

Again, this applies to Madara and not Itachi. Itachi is the type of shinobi who is tactical and analyzes fights in order to defeat his opponents with whatever he has in his arsenal, whereas Madara is different. :yeah: He is more of a trolling type. He doesn't use his best abilities straight away but rather plays with his opponents until they use their high level abilities to get Madara "cornered", then Madara crushes their hopes.