Well juubi was only held down because the entire SA was attacking it and it was undergoing it's transformation. Again this is the over hype I was talking about you think to much of those mokuton seals because Hashirama had those same seals vs Ems madara with the kyuubi so why didn't he use them vs Madara and the kyuubi since they easily held down the juubi and eod madara??? You see how that works, that even further proves the pint the juubi was undergoing transformation which the manga showed but in this debate as well since the juubi is way more powerful than the kyuubi that was not under the mokuton seals...and FYI edo madara was under those seals but Hashirama was incapacitated even worst than Madara and the juubi since he was rendered immobile since madara had impaled him with several black rods. And madara and the juubi both were still able to use abilities like the juubi shedding to make juubi spawns and madara using rinne tensei...so it's not a ko jutsu just so you know as I have just proved...
Also the soul dragon instantly wrecked alot of shinobi within moments...also you fail to understand the difference between a huge monster(juubi) and a shinobi (madara) since you think the seals just caught madara whenever they use d like they are inescapable and they are not, first Hashirama immobilized madara with the mokuton dragons then he used the seal on him because if he would have just tried the seals from the start madara would have avoided them low diff...same for Nagato who would shinra tensei that shit away[/QUOTE
You can't serious, him not using the seals on kurama meant he could'nt, it's like saying nagato not floating like deva means he can't levitate which is crap, those seals are ko seals if it can tag someone as strong as juubito, nagato aint got nothing on them, lemme say this again, edo madara >>> nagato and hashi still stalemated with him, as i said the only version of hashi nagato stands a chance against is base hashi
Nope I'm not saying he couldn't I am saying the juubi was handicapped and that's why he was able to use the seals on the juubi, what I mean by handicapped is that it was still undergoing it's transformation and still was bale to use abilities like make juubi spawns despite the seals being placed on it so yeah they were really affective lmao...not only that but there was an entire army of shinobi attacking it while hashirama lay seals on it but you think he can compete with the juubi 1 vs 1 lmao ridiculousness at its finest...
Nagato has floated himself, you do realize that's is a 6 paths ability and nagato mastered all the paths...if you were paying attention to the manga you would have seen Edo nagato use almighty push vs kcm Naruto and kill bee, he first floated in the air above the forest and then used almighty push which it seems like and make sense that when using almighty push it's more effective in the air than on the ground since eyou would limit the radius if your on the ground. ..go read that manga chapter again kid...
Next, they aren't ko seals, because Edo madara still was using jutsu while having the mokuton seals on him and 3 mokuton dragons on top of that on him yet he casuallylaughed at Hashirama and then used handsigns which means he wa able to still knead chakra and perform rinne tensei through obito so that debunks the KO fanism you shit out your mouth...
Next, kabuto said nagato was his most powerful summon next to Edo madara so the overall gap isn't that much difference, also its a fact kabuto didn't know all nagato's abilities like he knew madara's and he even boosted madara and kabuto didn't know shit about anybody syncing with the Gedo because it has only been done once and probably when kabuto wasn't even born yet and only obito and madara and nagato and konan ever knew about syncing with the Gedo because madara did so to stay alive and nagato did so to kill konoha shinobi and amegakure shinobi and hanzo...
The soul dragon is the definition of KO jutsu Hashirama has no way to counter it, he can't avoid it cuz he isn't that fast, it would take someone with a s/t to get away from it and that would mean they would have it flee the entire battle all together no matter what Hashirama base or sm...
Btw the only difference the manga has ever shown between base and sm Hashirama are the buddha, and those mokuton seals, which means nothing since it won't make it that far because the soul dragon would still kill Hashirama while he summons the buddha which when it was use didn't happen fast at all it took time and the dragon won't give him the time...
