Hashirama powerful but overhyped

[Hit The Legendary Assassi]

Hashirama is the most powerful shinobi of his era...

But that's just of his era, Hashirama but in that Era he stood above everybody else he had the most haxed ability and not everybody had haxed abilities during his era literally a handful of shinobi had like Madara and tobirama and izuna and Hashirama. Now you see many shinobi with haxed abilities that's cannot be counter...

Hashirama has no counter for kamui

I believe with what Tendo Pain did to the city of konoha and the fact that Nagato himself when using the six paths as stated by naruto it's on a whole different level than Tendo Pains I'm sure Nagato can counter the mokuton with shinra tensei and even defeat the buddha with almighty push.

Also Hashirama has no counter for Nagato or any rinnegan user syncing with the Gedo Mazo to summon the Soul Dragon that's an instant kill against anybody, who doesn't flee the entire battle...

Hashram has never faced high level genjutsu, true he's been facing Uchiha his whole life but madara was the best and the only one that he faced that had descent level genjutsu but at the same time that wasn't madara's specialty. Shinobi like Obito controlling a perfect Jin and Shi Sui's Kotoamatsukami and Itachi's Tsukoyami wreck him low diff...

Even Kabuto's sound genjutsu

And of course 8th gate gai would wreck with any 8th gate tech


He's great no doubt but he dominated an Era that didn't have that many top tiers, now everybody is top tier everybody has skill everybody has great training and get massive amounts of experience at a young age because of missions...


Hashirama if we were honest with ourselves and made a top 10 based on who could beat who, and without rikudo enhanced individuals he wouldn't be number 1....


1. Nagato
2. Rinne/Ms Obito
3. Shi Sui
4. Itachi

Would all for sure be above Hashirama based on 1 vs 1 battles, he has no counter to their jutsu's and every last one of them tends to use their most powerful jutsu's from the beginning unlike everyone else


Many of yall will disagree but he has absolutely no counters to their jutsu's...

You will say hashirama has fought many Uchiha throughout his life so genjutsu can't work or his chakra broke free of Edo tensei so it can break free of genjutsu well that's all wrong. Management clearly states there is no counter or way to break Kotoamatsukami and only someone with the same kkg(sharingan) and blood can break tsukoyami and only sasuke fits the mold, that means everybody else would be beaten by Tsukuyomi and Kotoamatsukami whether you like it or not.

Also madara never displayed any ms or above level of genjutsu he has only ever used 3 tomoe genjutsu once on a Shinobi Alliance fodder fighter to paralyze him and once on Ay to paralyze him 3 tomoe genjutsu while he had Ems and rinnegan process that's his highest level of genjutsu and that simply falls short of what itachi, sasuke, Shi Sui and obito have displayed so no amount of shinobi Hashirama has fought can prepare him or gives him the win against these shinobi...

He cant counter kamui at all no jutsu in NV can counter kamui but kamui or having greater efficiency with another equally as fast jutsu against and inexperienced kamui user

Nobody and I do mean nobody can defeat nagato using the Gedo and syncing with it to bring forth the soul dragon, to even survive you would have to flee the battle entirely.


The thing is hashirama could beat these guys in a drawn out battle for sure he would outlast them or overwhelm them with his large scale jutsu but these specific shinobi are the ones who use there most powerful jutsu's from the start...nagato does just to show overwhelming power, Shi Sui does to avoid hurting you and itachi does just so the battle isn't drawn out and he can preserve himself and obito does because kamui is hax

 

[AllKnowingShinobi]

Dude itachi recks any deck, itachi has cards that makes him invicible both in defensively and offensively but like any card its only as powerful and its user........and well its goddam itachi nuff said

 

[Hit The Legendary Assassi]

Dude itachi recks any deck

He can be beaten by an sm user who has intel on him...like 1 vs 1 against dsm kabuto with Intel would resultin itachi taking an L, kabuto had prepared for everything itachi had that he knew about and that was all but Izanami so if he had intel on that then he would work around it if he could...

 

[ChicagoJhawk]

Kamui is good but not that good. Someone as smart as Hashi would figure out how to beat it

 

[DrProof]

Itachi will always be #1. No one can beat him.

 

[Hit The Legendary Assassi]

Kamui is good but not that good. Someone as smart as Hashi would figure out how to beat it

What are hashirama's intelligence feats??? Don't worry I'll wait for nothingness but he's smart tho


Kakashi is top 3 smartest most analytical shinobi ever and he still couldn't figure it out all while having the opposite end of kamui himself...this is the over hyping I'm talking about already

 

[The Messiah]

Take away all the power ups and otsutski hashirama would be the strongest in the manga.

Excluding KA.

 

[Hit The Legendary Assassi]

Take away all the power ups and otsutski hashirama would be the strongest in the manga.

Excluding KA.

If if if is all I heard the fact is they have those power ups therfore it's there's therefor if ain't a factor in the matter...if does not exist once things have already happened thats why people usually say if I would have did this or did that then blah blah blah because what has already happened has happened and it's too late to matter so with that being understood all their power ups have already happened therefore can't be taken back therefore Uchiha solo...

Moron the otsutsuki are not a clan they are a race of aliens from a whole different dimension...

 

[The Messiah]

If if if is all I heard the fact is they have those power ups therfore it's there's therefor if ain't a factor in the matter...if does not exist once things have already happened thats why people usually say if I would have did this or did that then blah blah blah because what has already happened has happened and it's too late to matter so with that being understood all their power ups have already happened therefore can't be taken back therefore Uchiha solo...

Moron the otsutsuki are not a clan they are a race of aliens from a whole different dimension...

Oh then I agree with you.

I said otsutski because they are apart the manga.

 

[YoDiggetySam]

people are still on this

 

[rollin]

Take away all the power ups and otsutski hashirama would be the strongest in the manga.

Excluding KA.

Hashirama is a power up

 

[Hit The Legendary Assassi]

Hashirama is a power up

So what more people have sought the sharingan than his DNA

 

[90sKids98]

This is why you have a red bar of rep

 

[Scryed]

Oh then I agree with you.

I said otsutski because they are apart the manga.

The Ootsutsuki are a clan not a race. They belong to a different race but there's a reason why they are called the Ootsutsuki CLAN by all sources

 

[BlacLord™]

Hashirama is the strongest non-Rikudou/Otsutsuki being.

All the ones you mentioned could not contend with EMS Madara, PS and 100% Kurama simultaneously and win. Your genjutsu argument is non-existent because not only did he "excel in all areas of shinobi combat" (having a feat of using a high level genjutsu himself), but did face Sharingan wielding Uchiha all his life. The power of a visual genjutsu has little relevance when the opposition is someone who's fought visual prowess day in and day out since childhood. Prevention is better than cure; Hashirama will know all the signs of someone trying to use visual genjutsu, and know how to avoid getting caught.

 

[Hit The Legendary Assassi]

This is why you have a red bar of rep

Because I'm not in agreement with the masses. You think Hashirama is all powerful because someone else says so, the manga dubbed him god of shinobi in his era not of all time, when the manga clearly states tsukoyami cannot be broken unless you have a sharingan and have the same blood as itachi, so I ask you does Hashirama has a sharigan??? Or is he itachi's brother???

 

[Hit The Legendary Assassi]

The Ootsutsuki are a clan not a race. They belong to a different race but there's a reason why they are called the Ootsutsuki CLAN by all sources

Fail again clan is an earth term they are not from Earth, hamuru however does have a clan of otsutsuki that carry that title of clan because they were born on the earth and left to go on the moon so that means he and toneri and the rest of those moon dwelling otsutsuki are a clan but they are still weak... now those that hail from outer space, like Kaguya, momoshiki and kinshiki are not a clan

The otsutsuki is a alien race coming from an different dimension

 

[Hit The Legendary Assassi]

Hashirama is the strongest non-Rikudou/Otsutsuki being.

All the ones you mentioned could not contend with EMS Madara, PS and 100% Kurama simultaneously and win. Your genjutsu argument is non-existent because not only did he "excel in all areas of shinobi combat" (having a feat of using a high level genjutsu himself), but did face Sharingan wielding Uchiha all his life. The power of a visual genjutsu has little relevance when the opposition is someone who's fought visual prowess day in and day out since childhood. Prevention is better than cure; Hashirama will know all the signs of someone trying to use visual genjutsu, and know how to avoid getting caught.

Fail again, you are misinformed

Because he has only ever faced 3 tomoe genjutsu when he's faced Uchiha not ms genjutsu or rinne genjutsu l, even madara who had an Ems and rinne has only used 3 tomoe genjutsu ever so that's his highest level of genjutsu and that's the highest level og visual genjutsu Hashirama has ever faced...

To further counter this argument of prevention since he will know when somebody is going to use genjutsu...clearly you haven't read the manga as thoroughly as you thought because Itachi as stated by Shikaku Nara and Ao is the only shinobi that can knead chakra for genjutsu without anybody knowing even sensor ninjas cannot know when he is going to use genjutsu, on top of that Hashirama don't know shit about ms genjutsu cuz he's never saw it

 

[Scryed]

Fail again clan is an earth term they are not from Earth, hamuru however does have a clan of otsutsuki that carry that title of clan because they were born on the earth and left to go on the moon so that means he and toneri and the rest of those moon dwelling otsutsuki are a clan but they are still weak... now those that hail from outer space, like Kaguya, momoshiki and kinshiki are not a clan

The otsutsuki is a alien race coming from an different dimension

They are labeled as the Ootsutsuki clan period.


You don't get to change that. The Ootsutsuki clan came from space while Kaguya had her children on earth. Hamura took over the Ootsutsuki clan afterwards. Kaguya, leader of the Ootsutsuki clan, came to earth with her clan as was stated.

 

[Hit The Legendary Assassi]

They are labeled as the Ootsutsuki clan period.


You don't get to change that.

Only those who were born on the Earth and went to the moon are a clan the rest are not and the rest are the most powerful ones and I this whole thing is off topic when I already excluded them in the op so you ignoring that and continuing to talk about this shows you lack the knowledge or skill to debate the actual topic of the thread...