Hashirama did NOT defeat Madara because he was stronger! Madara let him win.(Theory)

[Champ]

Madara whole fighting style is weird. If he truly wanted Hashirama dead he would've sent Kurama to Konoha like Obito & had him spamming Biju damas. Then he activate Perfect Susano'o & begin to slash away at him with his swords. It would've been an automatic kill.

 

[Xlad]

I thought it was real clear that they both FOUGHT TO THE DEATH, and yet Hashirama won.

 

[Disquiet]

Also, in conjunction with my earlier post. How is this logic? He has his eyes set on his dream, and what does he do? Go and challenge the man whom he have accepted is stronger or equal to him, in a fight to the death lol. >.>

 

[Strawberry]

possible but hashi is maybe beast time 2?

 

[The One Who Knocks]

It's fact that Hashirama is stronger. However, I do question that fight. We have yet to see how Hashirama died, did a group of elite ninjas team up on him as well? Though we don't really know how far Tobirama is behind Madara and Hashirama, he was killed by twenty elites. Remember Madara is one man. He didn't have a village backing him, or even his clan. He was all alone. The last chapter revealed that he was already thinking about his dream. Faking a death so he would avoid fighting the ninja world[ (and all its elites) before his dream is not yet even remotely possible, doesn't seem like a bad idea to me lol.


Furthermore, it seems like Madara fought Hashirama, Tobirama, and several other senju. That whole fight at the valley of the end seems rather shady, in light of recent evidence.


Again, Hashirama is stronger, that much has already been said. It's just that Madara's loss at the valley of the end may have been planned.

Even though you seem to disagree with my theory about EMS Madara being Hashirama's equal i have to say... I LOVE your comment!! I always thought that it was very probable that Tobirama didn't just sit on his ass during the fight between Madara and Hashirama... thanks man.

 

[The One Who Knocks]

Iwagakure has their own problems to worry about.They aren't going to drop everything to hunt down Madara who defected from another village and killed said village's Hokage. Again, the Leaf village has plans of their own. Despite Hashirama being killed there is no way they are going to drop everything they are doing, round up everyone and starting hunting down Madara. Kakuzu committed the heinous crime of killing his village elders and running off with their villages forbidden Ninjutsu, Earth Grude Fear yet no one ever tracked him down.

MS techs differ between every Uchiha. DB says that Susanoo=Amaterasu+Tsukuyomi but I don't believe it anymore. I doubt he has Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi.

Those are just the Hashirama fanboys who say that. Anyone who isn't a tard knows that Hashirama can only beat Madara high diff, nothing more, nothing less.

Once again you make some very good points but i have to disagree with some of the things you said/wrote.

1. Kakuzu killing his village's elders is not the same as Uchiha Madara killing the "strongest" shinobi of not just Konoha but of the whole Shinobi world! Hashirama was Konoha's first Hokage, loved by everyone ( Even the Uchiha"s ). He was Tobirama's big brother and therefore it stands to reason that they would do everything in their power to punish Madara for his crime ( they would no doubt, want to kill Madara ).
2. Iwagakure had their own problems yes, but Uchiha Madara was trying to tell them what to do, called them inferior to the Konoha Shinobi/Village and he even came to exchange blows with Muu and his student. So i think that again, it would be logical for them to join in on the hunt for Madara.
3. Your comment/s about MS make a lot of sense but i think it was Itachi who explained that once an Uchiha awakens MS he gains the power/s of Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. So i thought that Madara most likely had those powers/abilities but again, that part of your comment makes a lot of sense and maybe i am wrong about my MS theory.

 

[gazz uzumaki]

I thought it was real clear that they both FOUGHT TO THE DEATH, and yet Hashirama won.

Hashirama did win but it leaves to question, who the hell killed him; because I don't believe hashirama died from old age.

 

[Naruto hinata]

many people said that hashi is a fodder when madara showed us his susanoo
and when he showed us his 1000 hand justu, every one started saying that he's a beast....i think we should wait before saying anything

 

[KidGamer65]

Once again you make some very good points but i have to disagree with some of the things you said/wrote.

1. Kakuzu killing his village's elders is not the same as Uchiha Madara killing the "strongest" shinobi of not just Konoha but of the whole Shinobi world! Hashirama was Konoha's first Hokage, loved by everyone ( Even the Uchiha"s ). He was Tobirama's big brother and therefore it stands to reason that they would do everything in their power to punish Madara for his crime ( they would no doubt, want to kill Madara ).
2. Iwagakure had their own problems yes, but Uchiha Madara was trying to tell them what to do, called them inferior to the Konoha Shinobi/Village and he even came to exchange blows with Muu and his student. So i think that again, it would be logical for them to join in on the hunt for Madara.
3. Your comment/s about MS make a lot of sense but i think it was Itachi who explained that once an Uchiha awakens MS he gains the power/s of Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. So i thought that Madara most likely had those powers/abilities but again, that part of your comment makes a lot of sense and maybe i am wrong about my MS theory.

1. Its still a very bad crime that no one chased him down for. The people who killed the 2nd Hokage weren't hunted down either. Just because Hashirama was loved by everyone, doesn't mean they will chase Madara to the ends of the Earth to kill him because at the end of the day they have a village to run. Not to mention once he crosses the border they can't go after him just like they couldnt chase Sasuke after he crossed the border.

2. villages aren't supposed to get involved with each other's rouge ninja business. A village is supposed to take care of their own Rogue Ninja so Iwagakure wouldn't help. Despite their emotions, they can't drop everything their doing just because one guy they like is wanted.

3. I used to think that he had Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi because the DB, but the info in there has proved to be wrong on multiple occasions.

 

[Disquiet]

Even though you seem to disagree with my theory about EMS Madara being Hashirama's equal i have to say... I LOVE your comment!! I always thought that it was very probable that Tobirama didn't just sit on his ass during the fight between Madara and Hashirama... thanks man.

Well thank you.

 

[Transcendence]

It makes absolutely ZERO sense to say Hashirama did not win.

Want to know why? If Madara had the capability of defeating Hashirama, he would of. Don't you think an entire body of Hashirama's DNA is better than a couple of samples? It's absolutely illogical to think Madara would throw a fight considering:

1. He brought the Strongest Bijuu

AND

2. More cells=More power therefore killing him would be of more interest to Madara.

You call others fanboys when the refute what you say yet your entire OP is basically all of your own opinion and speculation.

 

[The One Who Knocks]

It makes absolutely ZERO sense to say Hashirama did not win.

Want to know why? If Madara had the capability of defeating Hashirama, he would of. Don't you think an entire body of Hashirama's DNA is better than a couple of samples? It's absolutely illogical to think Madara would throw a fight considering:

1. He brought the Strongest Bijuu

AND

2. More cells=More power therefore killing him would be of more interest to Madara.

You call others fanboys when the refute what you say yet your entire OP is basically all of your own opinion and speculation.

-__-......

I never said that Hashirama "did not win". I said that Madara lost on purpose! There is a difference genius.

And how is it "absolutely illogical" to think that Madara lost on purpose?? My THEORY is that Madara faked his death because he didn't want Hashirama & Tobirama and the entire village of Konoha knowing about his future plans and of him leading a SECRET criminal organisation! It's like saying that a drug kingpin wanting to stay anonymous and not wanting the AUTHORITIES to know about his ILLEGAL activities is "absolutely illogical".

P.S i clearly stated that this is my THEORY! I mentioned some FACTS about Madara and about the Manga in general. And i will call someone a fanboy if i so see fit. Have a nice day.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Man i get what ur saying.
I still find that it was within madara's capabilities to defeat hashirama.

But next time u take on topic with low odds of success in mass opinion, prepare urself better.
U sound like 10y old child spitting emotions and beliefs. Evidences, facts, healthy speculations at least, where are they?.

 

[lordmadarauchiha]

I wouldn't be surprised if that's how it actually went

 

[taladagah]

No, just no. If Madara was stronger he would just kill Hashi-->then Tobirama since he is weaker. Then take as much DNA as he needs from their dead bodies.

super kamahamaha no jutsu times thirty this ^

 

[The One Who Knocks]

Man i get what ur saying.
I still find that it was within madara's capabilities to defeat hashirama.

But next time u take on topic with low odds of success in mass opinion, prepare urself better.
U sound like 10y old child spitting emotions and beliefs. Evidences, facts, healthy speculations at least, where are they?.

"U sound like 10y old child spitting emotions and beliefs.Evidences, facts, healthy speculations at least, where are they?" says someone who writes "urself" instead of "yourself"... or "ur" instead of "you're"... or "U" instead of "You"... yeah... you must be really "mature/grown up"

P.S i never once said Madara could defeat Hashirama... i said they were equal, and i said/wrote that in several of my previous comments... Jesus -_-...

[video=youtube;BNsrK6P9QvI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNsrK6P9QvI[/video]

 

[AlphaScythian]

"U sound like 10y old child spitting emotions and beliefs.Evidences, facts, healthy speculations at least, where are they?" says someone who writes "urself" instead of "yourself"... or "ur" instead of "you're"... or "U" instead of "You"... yeah... you must be really "mature/grown up"
P.S i never once said Madara could defeat Hashirama... i said they were equal, and i said/wrote that in several of my previous comments... Jesus -_-...
[video=youtube;BNsrK6P9QvI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNsrK6P9QvI[/video]

One does not let other live if its not whithin his power to defeat him!!! Got some brain damage?
And my spelling isnt evidence of nothing but my "i dont care to type properly, im saving some of my time here".

Now :stfu: until u make decent thread.

 

[The One Who Knocks]

One does not let other live if its not whithin his power to defeat him!!! Got some brain damage?
And my spelling isnt evidence of nothing but my "i dont care to type properly, im saving some of my time here".

Now :stfu: until u make decent thread.

Lol to quote the Joker "This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object." <<< Should nicely sum up the Madara/Hashirama battle. Either both live or both die... now i could go and and try to explain this to you but you are just not worth my time since you are obviously a hater/idiot/troll.

P.S it's not "let other" it's "let the other" or "isnt" but "isn't". Not that it bothers me but if someone calls you out for your poor spelling skills you try your best to prove that they are wrong (like what you just tried and failed at). So i guess this is goodbye... ( i will not miss you but you can still write if you want too )

 

[AlphaScythian]

Lol to quote the Joker "This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object." <<< Should nicely sum up the Madara/Hashirama battle. Either both live or both die... now i could go and and try to explain this to you but you are just not worth my time since you are obviously a hater/idiot/troll.

P.S it's not "let other" it's "let the other" or "isnt" but "isn't". Not that it bothers me but if someone calls you out for your poor spelling skills you try your best to prove that they are wrong (like what you just tried and failed at). So i guess this is goodbye... ( i will not miss you but you can still write if you want too )

Still butt hurt?
U made retarded thread. Not that its impossible to base better ur idea, but cuz u fail miserably.
So im supped to prove my spelling skills now? Sorry dude im past school now. Not my problems any more.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

At some point during the fight, Mito sealed the Kyuubi in her which turned the fight back to a 1v1 fight (according to Kushina).

This pretty much