Hashirama did NOT defeat Madara because he was stronger! Madara let him win.(Theory)

[KidGamer65]

"Madara didn't have Materasu" ? Lol you do realize that EMS means ALL of the Sharingan's abilities, right?

No it doesn't. You keep the abilities you had when you had MS.

As for your thread. There is no evidence to even suggest that Madara threw the match on purpose. You say that it was so he could get Hashirama off his back but obviously killing him is a better way to do that, but Madara couldn't kill him and he lost only managing to get away with his DNA, which he didn't need to throw the match on purpose to obtain. Overall, killing him if possible was the better choice and Madara couldn't do it.

Your number 4 makes no sense. Hashirama beating Madara w/ Kyuubi doesn't make Madara a fodder. It makes Hashirama stronger than Madara.

In the end Hashirama>Madara not Hashirama=Madara.

 

[Dreckerplayer]

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This doesn't look like defeat to you?

 

[The One Who Knocks]

No, just no. If Madara was stronger he would just kill Hashi-->then Tobirama since he is weaker. Then take as much DNA as he needs from their dead bodies.

I though about that but then Madara would have to deal with the other 4 nations. THey would all gang up on him ( Including the Uchiha and the Senju ) and not even Madara could take them all on.

 

[straightup]

"Madara didn't have Materasu" ? Lol you do realize that EMS means ALL of the Sharingan's abilities, right?

can you show me one place where it says that? because if that's true then sasuke has kamui and that one thing that shisua can do yet ive seen him do neither

 

[The One Who Knocks]

It's possible, but why would he not go all out ? If he did, he might have had a chance to take out the only threat to him left in the NV, meaning that there'd be pretty much no one left to stop him. IDK, I just can't see him as the type who loses to someone on purpose.

Good point but if he did go all out then most probably both Madara and Hashirama would end up dead and my theory is that Madara wanted to lose this fight so that the world would think that Uchiha Madara is finally dead. I am NOT saying Madara was stronger then Hashirama but his equal.

 

[Willer014]

and do you all remember that Kurama controlled by Obito, had been defeated by Minato, or Minato just release the Bijuu from Obito's control...

but considering that fact that Minato is not the strongest Hokage or Obito dont have the strongest sharingan-eye control, but still, Minato can release the control from Bijuu... of course, you can spam me, because that time, Kyubi dont have an armor (susanoo), but its not a fact that if your tag team with Kurama (Kyubi) you are NO match who ever Kurama's team mate...

 

[Filo]

We haven't seen what the 1,000 Senjusupersaiyanhands can do yet.

This^^^^^ right here

 

[Xlad]

Madara's Full Power was Perfect Susanoo. Even in his upgraded state, he still state Hashirama can still take him down. For someone arrogant and powerful to admit some sense of inferiority to his rival says more than what people think.

 

[The One Who Knocks]

No it doesn't. You keep the abilities you had when you had MS.

As for your thread. There is no evidence to even suggest that Madara threw the match on purpose. You say that it was so he could get Hashirama off his back but obviously killing him is a better way to do that, but Madara couldn't kill him and he lost only managing to get away with his DNA, which he didn't need to throw the match on purpose to obtain. Overall, killing him if possible was the better choice and Madara couldn't do it.

Your number 4 makes no sense. Hashirama beating Madara w/ Kyuubi doesn't make Madara a fodder. It makes Hashirama stronger than Madara.

In the end Hashirama>Madara not Hashirama=Madara.

You make some very good points but please tell me what would happen if Madara had killed Hashirama? Let me tell you what would happen, both the Senju and the Uchiha would descent upon Madara led by Senju Tobirama and probably Iwagakure too since it's obvious from the manga that they hated Madara's guts. As far as the Amaterasu is concerned i was under the impression that every Uchiha with MS has access to Amaterasu ( but i could be wrong about this ). BTW why does my No.4 make no sense? The vast majority of this Manga's fans are now saying that the only reason Madara has ANY chance to defeat Hashirama was because he had the Kyuubi! THey claim that EMS Madara without the Kyuubi would've gotten "raped" by Hashirama at the VOTE.

 

[The One Who Knocks]

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This doesn't look like defeat to you?

THat was months if not YEARS before their fight at the VOTE. Plenty of time for Madara to get stronger.

 

[foxyladyland]

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This doesn't look like defeat to you?

not the right battle sorry kiddo,

OT: AT MOST SINCE IM THE ONLY GENIUS AROUND HERE RIGHT NOW THAT'S TYPING
Madara probably wanted to steal some of Hashi's DNA so he could himself become more complete with
the strongest Senju DNA mixed with the strongest Uchiha dnaXD

 

[spade3dg]

"Madara didn't have Materasu" ? Lol you do realize that EMS means ALL of the Sharingan's abilities, right?

Wth no it doesn't. It means you dont go blind. You fail.

Ot: Madara is fodder compared to Hashi. He was always weaker said by himself.

Going into that fight knowing he would lose and almost die is dumb.

 

[BEASTLY NARUTO]

Oooooo! Please stop blabbering madara said hash>>>him like 10000000000000000000000 times useless you re here fooling yourself....

 

[reizon]

How is that obvious?? Everyone here is saying that Hashirama could wipe the floor with EMS Madara without the Kyuubi... and the point of this thread is to prove that EMS Madara= Senju Hashirama.

ummm... sacrasm

 

[The One Who Knocks]

Wth no it doesn't. It means you dont go blind. You fail.

Ot: Madara is fodder compared to Hashi. He was always weaker said by himself.

Going into that fight knowing he would lose and almost die is dumb.

Sigh*

Haters gonna hate i guess -_-

 

[The One Who Knocks]

Oooooo! Please stop blabbering madara said hash>>>him like 10000000000000000000000 times useless you re here fooling yourself....

Go and work on your grammar son.

 

[The One Who Knocks]

ummm... sacrasm

Really? Was that sarcasm? Or were you in fact serious and are now pulling the "sarcasm" card. In any case... A good day Sir.

 

[KidGamer65]

You make some very good points but please tell me what would happen if Madara had killed Hashirama? Let me tell you what would happen, both the Senju and the Uchiha would descent upon Madara led by Senju Tobirama and probably Iwagakure too since it's obvious from the manga that they hated Madara's guts. As far as the Amaterasu is concerned i was under the impression that every Uchiha with MS has access to Amaterasu ( but i could be wrong about this ). BTW why does my No.4 make no sense? The vast majority of this Manga's fans are now saying that the only reason Madara has ANY chance to defeat Hashirama was because he had the Kyuubi! THey claim that EMS Madara without the Kyuubi would've gotten "raped" by Hashirama at the VOTE.

Iwagakure has their own problems to worry about.They aren't going to drop everything to hunt down Madara who defected from another village and killed said village's Hokage. Again, the Leaf village has plans of their own. Despite Hashirama being killed there is no way they are going to drop everything they are doing, round up everyone and starting hunting down Madara. Kakuzu committed the heinous crime of killing his village elders and running off with their villages forbidden Ninjutsu, Earth Grude Fear yet no one ever tracked him down.

MS techs differ between every Uchiha. DB says that Susanoo=Amaterasu+Tsukuyomi but I don't believe it anymore. I doubt he has Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi.

Those are just the Hashirama fanboys who say that. Anyone who isn't a tard knows that Hashirama can only beat Madara high diff, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Stark]

No, Hashirama was stronger.

 

[Disquiet]

It's fact that Hashirama is stronger. However, I do question that fight. We have yet to see how Hashirama died, did a group of elite ninjas team up on him as well? Though we don't really know how far Tobirama is behind Madara and Hashirama, he was killed by twenty elites. Remember Madara is one man. He didn't have a village backing him, or even his clan. He was all alone. The last chapter revealed that he was already thinking about his dream. Faking a death so he would avoid fighting the ninja world[ (and all its elites) before his dream is not yet even remotely possible, doesn't seem like a bad idea to me lol.


Furthermore, it seems like Madara fought Hashirama, Tobirama, and several other senju. That whole fight at the valley of the end seems rather shady, in light of recent evidence.


Again, Hashirama is stronger, that much has already been said. It's just that Madara's loss at the valley of the end may have been planned.