Hashirama and Tobirama were at full power

[youralltrolls]

Nice troll

Not sure how this was trolling. I simply put him in a corner he couldn't argue himself out of so he made assumptions and left.

 

[KidGamer65]

I see why OP has a red rep bar...

 

[MickNerks]

Please do show me where Flower Tree world or Mokuton Kage Bunshin spam was used during that fight. Orochimaru perfected the technique; that doesn't mean Shodai and Nidaime were at full power. Orochimaru had to suppress their personalities because they had an emotional attachment to Hiruzen. Orochimaru did not let them use their big hitters because he was toying with Sandaime Hokage :/ Hashirama or Tobirama acting autonomously with their own fighting style > someone controlling them.

I dont see how hashirama could have used flowering tree world.

1. They were in a minimum space, so there wasnt enough room to activate FTW.

2. FTW would have knocked orochimaru unconcious as well, so that would have been a stupid move on orochimaru's part.

3. Why would hashirama spam Mokuton Kage Bushin if he was fighting 1 person, and had his brother helping him.

Haahirama showed us the raw power of mokuton, and hiruzen broke free of it. Hashirama's taijutsu was inferior to hiruzen's, as hiruzen was able to blow his legs cleanly off his body. Hiruzen also showed sensing abilities of being able to defend and attack hashirama in the world of darkness.

Hiruzen is superior.

 

[LegendaryAce]

Since you prob won't listen I'll tell you something interesting one day Sakura learns Edo tensei and acquired the sageofsixpath's DNA and she summoned him and believe me she perfected it though she used tags which didn't give the sage any control she controlled him fully and she has only the knowledge from stories about him ..the juubi pops up and Sakura has to use thee sage to beat the juubi ... How do you see this fight ending ?

I dont see how hashirama could have used flowering tree world.

1. They were in a minimum space, so there wasnt enough room to activate FTW.

2. FTW would have knocked orochimaru unconcious as well, so that would have been a stupid move on orochimaru's part.

3. Why would hashirama spam Mokuton Kage Bushin if he was fighting 1 person, and had his brother helping him.

Haahirama showed us the raw power of mokuton, and hiruzen broke free of it. Hashirama's taijutsu was inferior to hiruzen's, as hiruzen was able to blow his legs cleanly off his body. Hiruzen also showed sensing abilities of being able to defend and attack hashirama in the world of darkness.

Hiruzen is superior.

You make it so easy to prove you wrong ...if they really wanted to kill him why wouldn't they spam techs ....you ask why he would need his mokuton clones because you know they wer toying with him you cant face that Orochimaru had he been serious that fight would have ended in less than 5mins



Mokuton clones spamming
Sealing Enma
Tobirama using s/t keep hiruzen busy and don't forget snakes and shit
While any of those 3 land the finisher

 

[MickNerks]

Since you prob won't listen I'll tell you something interesting one day Sakura learns Edo tensei and acquired the sageofsixpath's DNA and she summoned him and believe me she perfected it though she used tags which didn't give the sage any control she controlled him fully and she has only the knowledge from stories about him ..the juubi pops up and Sakura has to use thee sage to beat the juubi ... How do you see this fight ending ?




You make it so easy to prove you wrong ...if they really wanted to kill him why wouldn't they spam techs ....you ask why he would need his mokuton clones because you know they wer toying with him you cant face that Orochimaru had he been serious that fight would have ended in less than 5mins



Mokuton clones spamming
Sealing Enma
Tobirama using s/t keep hiruzen busy and don't forget snakes and shit
While any of those 3 land the finisher

I know orochimaru didnt take the fight seriously, and that is exactly why he lost. Hiruzen held his own against three people. He proved that mokuton cant hold him and he proved that his taijutsu is superior to hashirama's, tobirama's, and Orochimaru's.

Mokuton clones dont really matter because he didnt need them to fight. Madara didnt even uses his clones until he felt pressured to.

There is no evidence that proves that hashirama can seal summons.
There is no evidence that shows that Tobirama's S/T was offensive.

 

[LegendaryAce]

Not sure how this was trolling. I simply put him in a corner he couldn't argue himself out of so he made assumptions and left.

I got another one if you didn't get my previous one

Let's say Edo tensei irl was inveted and I could use it and I resurrected Bruce lee and I controlled him fully in a fight now all I know about him is his famous moves though I don't know when he used them or how ...if i were controlling him in a fight if spam all I know meaning I have less of a chance and let's say the guy I was beating up was Bruce lee's student who knew everything ..sure I'd get a few hits but at the end of the day I'd make a fool out of a legend because I simply can't cOntroll him well enough



Though we use kabutos aproach give them controll and only block a few things like feelings they don't need I would have a killing machine and he would roll his student faster than I can say ..hiruzen didn't even win that fight he got a draw at most !

I know orochimaru didnt take the fight seriously, and that is exactly why he lost. Hiruzen held his own against three people. He proved that mokuton cant hold him and he proved that his taijutsu is superior to hashirama's, tobirama's, and Orochimaru's.

Mokuton clones dont really matter because he didnt need them to fight. Madara didnt even uses his clones until he felt pressured to.

There is no evidence that proves that hashirama can seal summons.
There is no evidence that shows that Tobirama's S/T was offensive.

Thank god you're reasonable and don't get me wrong the old perv held his own ...but the fight only went that way because of Orochimaru ..that fight can't count as a hashirama or Tobirama vs hiruzen fight at all...he lost the fight too never won and he drew with the Edos same with minato vs kyubi


The clones might have not been needed isn't it better to put all to crush your enemy especially a kage

 

[TheRealAkatsukiLeader]

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That manga page states Orochimaru had a perfect Edo Tensei thus the 1st and 2nd are able to use their abilities. It even says on that page even though the person follows all of the summoners orders, it can use all of his original abilities.

Just because Kishi added more abilities to Hashirama and Tobirama later on in the series, does not disregard Hiruzens battle with them. According to the information we have on edo tensei, we have seen that even if they are mindless drones they can use their full powers.

Nagato is an example.
That ninja who if you block his kunai your body becomes magnetic.
Zabuza and Haku.
Seven swordsmen.
The list can go on and on.

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[MickNerks]

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[MickNerks]

I got another one if you didn't get my previous one

Let's say Edo tensei irl was inveted and I could use it and I resurrected Bruce lee and I controlled him fully in a fight now all I know about him is his famous moves though I don't know when he used them or how ...if i were controlling him in a fight if spam all I know meaning I have less of a chance and let's say the guy I was beating up was Bruce lee's student who knew everything ..sure I'd get a few hits but at the end of the day I'd make a fool out of a legend because I simply can't cOntroll him well enough



Though we use kabutos aproach give them controll and only block a few things like feelings they don't need I would have a killing machine and he would roll his student faster than I can say ..hiruzen didn't even win that fight he got a draw at most !






Thank god you're reasonable and don't get me wrong the old perv held his own ...but the fight only went that way because of Orochimaru ..that fight can't count as a hashirama or Tobirama vs hiruzen fight at all...he lost the fight too never won and he drew with the Edos same with minato vs kyubi


The clones might have not been needed isn't it better to put all to crush your enemy especially a kage

I understand what you are saying about oro controlling the kages, but what you cant say is how much more powerful hashirama and tobirama could have been if orochimaru wasnt controlling them.

1. if oro wasnt controlling (like kabuto) them tobirama would have released himself and his brother from edo control.

2. If hash and tobirama were alive, you couldnt say they are stronger than hiruzen, because they wouldnt have unlimited chakra to spam tech's and hash would be able to use mokuton tech's on same scales as madara because madara has rinnegan and unlimited chakra and stamina. And we have never seen Hashirama, tobirama, or hiruzen in there prime to honestly decide who is the more skillful in combat.

3. So then from how you look at it, it would also be fair to say that naruto, killer B, and Itachi cant really defeat nagato. Because the nagato they fought was being fully controlled.

 

[kit]

I don't know...it's just to hard to believe an 60+ old man can beat to Kage's at FULL power. That would just make Hiruzen to OP...especially considering his prime.

 

[LegendaryAce]

I understand what you are saying about oro controlling the kages, but what you cant say is how much more powerful hashirama and tobirama could have been if orochimaru wasnt controlling them.

1. if oro wasnt controlling (like kabuto) them tobirama would have released himself and his brother from edo control.

2. If hash and tobirama were alive, you couldnt say they are stronger than hiruzen, because they wouldnt have unlimited chakra to spam tech's and hash would be able to use mokuton tech's on same scales as madara because madara has rinnegan and unlimited chakra and stamina. And we have never seen Hashirama, tobirama, or hiruzen in there prime to honestly decide who is the more skillful in combat.

3. So then from how you look at it, it would also be fair to say that naruto, killer B, and Itachi cant really defeat nagato. Because the nagato they fought was being fully controlled.

At some point madara admitted his techs as big as hashirama don't remember right ...don't forget he is a direct descendant of the sons and he has a lot more chakra than a normal shinobi...look at Nagato and he isn't senju but he uses all those hax moves ...now a senju would rape the living hell out of a rinnegan


What I meant isn't how they would be stronger ...of course they are Edo so they gain about of extra things but hashirama is stronger than hiruzen as far as we know he can't beat hashirama ..my point was when being controlled your abilities are less than when controlling your self ..if hashirama wasn't being controlled and oro took off his feelings ...he would have raped hiruzen ...he was old dont forget...I don't see what he could do to beat hashirama and Tobirama together on a serious fight