Hashi fans/supporters don't get it twisted

[Orochimagus]

Again, I show manga evidence. Tsunade mentioning that Madara knows Wood Release means nothing because anyone could have made that remark. You forget Harishima died at a young age, and that he is Tsunade's grandfather, so she would have been really young during the times Harishima and Madara fought. Of course she would not be in a situation where she would see Harishima's all out, map-altering Wood Release. You're bending a few words on the manga to your taste, and ignore the timeline and the more direct evidence against it.

 

[Dantee]

Again, I show manga evidence. Tsunade mentioning that Madara knows Wood Release means nothing because anyone could have made that remark. You forget Harishima died at a young age, and that he is Tsunade's grandfather, so she would have been really young during the times Harishima and Madara fought. Of course she would not be in a situation where she would see Harishima's all out, map-altering Wood Release. You're bending a few words on the manga to your taste, and ignore the timeline and the more direct evidence against it.

There are other times besides the Madara vs Hashirama fight to see him use wood release. Hashirama survived after that fight and died somewhere along the next war. How did she know that was her grandfathers technique without seeing it?

Where is this manga evidence you claim that she didn't see it.?

Seriously

Think about it am I the one bending words and facts?
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[TheSages456]

too bad madara disagrees with this thread. perfect susano is madaras trump card which means he holds it in higher regard than his wood style and rinnegan. hashirama beat madaras perfect susano which means that he can still beat madara.

madaras wood style isnt as good as hashiramas. here you see madara comment that he only has some of hashiramas power.

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anything that madara can do with wood style, hashirama can do infinitely better.

preta path isnt doing anything against hashiramas wood style. meteors are shielded from by wood style: wood locking wall. dodais rubber ball protected him and a naruto clone from it so a wood shield can tank it.

 

[LegendaryAce]

ill say this..if someone seals him..then they win....moving on edo madara >hashirama and everyone else in naruto....besides tobi.

 

[Dantee]

too bad madara disagrees with this thread. perfect susano is madaras trump card which means he holds it in higher regard than his wood style and rinnegan. hashirama beat madaras perfect susano which means that he can still beat madara.

madaras wood style isnt as good as hashiramas. here you see madara comment that he only has some of hashiramas power.

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anything that madara can do with wood style, hashirama can do infinitely better.

preta path isnt doing anything against hashiramas wood style. meteors are shielded from by wood style: wood locking wall. dodais rubber ball protected him and a naruto clone from it so a wood shield can tank it.

I'm not saying in terms of using it/skill obviously Hashi would be better. It's power is on the same scale. @ the manga scan Madara is just missing his old rival on the next page he goes to talk about his brother the same way.

Last time I checked wood release is ninjutsu so it gets asorbed by Preta Path.

:rofl: Wood lock technique from the game. I'm afraid Hashi has no feats against a meteor.

 

[TheSages456]

I'm not saying in terms of using it obviously Hashi would be better. It's power is on the same scale. @ the manga scan Madara is just missing his old rival on the next page he goes to talk about his brother the same way.

Last time I checked wood release is ninjutsu so it gets asorbed.

:rofl: Wood lock technique from the game. I'm afraid Hashi has no feats against a meteor.

no madara is not missing his old rival. he clearly states that he only has some of hashiramas power. on the next page he states that his brother left him his eyes and their powers. he didnt say i have some of my brothers eye powers. the wood itself isnt made of chakra. hashirama uses his life force and chakra to make life. thats like saying the rinnegan can absorb onokis rock fist.

so just because hashirama hasnt blocked a meteor means he cant do it. dodais rubber ball defended from it so i think a superior defense will too. by your logic madara cant counter fireball jutsu because he has no feats against it.

 

[Dantee]

no madara is not missing his old rival. he clearly states that he only has some of hashiramas power. on the next page he states that his brother left him his eyes and their powers. he didnt say i have some of my brothers eye powers. the wood itself isnt made of chakra. hashirama uses his life force and chakra to make life. thats like saying the rinnegan can absorb onokis rock fist.

so just because hashirama hasnt blocked a meteor means he cant do it. dodais rubber ball defended from it so i think a superior defense will too. by your logic madara cant counter fireball jutsu because he has no feats against it.

There is an obvious difference between rubber ball against lightning and wood against a meteor. It's so obvious I won't bother explaining.

Madara says" look how weak they are to you" If I could teach you to rise from the dead I would. He literally misses Hashirama and says all you left me was some power.

To top that off clearly Hashi had more than just mokoton and why does Tsunade recognize this Flower World as her fathers technique if they aren't on the same scale.

 

[TheSages456]

There is an obvious difference between rubber ball against lightning and wood against a meteor. It's so obvious I won't bother explaining.

Madara says" look how weak they are to you" If I could teach you to rise from the dead I would. He literally misses Hashirama and says all you left me was some power.

To top that off clearly Hashi had more than just mokoton and why does Tsunade recognize this Flower World as her fathers technique if they aren't on the same scale.

dodais rubber ball saved him and narutos clone from the meteor

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madara clearly stated that he only had some of hashiramas dna. obviously you wont get as much power from some dna of a face than from a full body.

people still recognize yamatos mokuton as the first hokages ability. tsunade saying "its my fathers technique doesnt mean anything.

 

[Dantee]

dodais rubber ball saved him and narutos clone from the meteor

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madara clearly stated that he only had some of hashiramas dna. obviously you wont get as much power from some dna of a face than from a full body.

people still recognize yamatos mokuton as the first hokages ability. tsunade saying "its my fathers technique doesnt mean anything.

He said he got a portion of his strength. Kabuto also said he modified his body.That is why there is face growing off his chest. Giving him mokoton prowess on the same scale of Hashirama.

Tsunade witnessed 1st hand what her farther was capable of. She was around at the time he was still alive. All these facts point Edo Madara was meant to be a combination of the two.

That rubberball didn't take that technique head on. As you know Onnoki special lightweightning technique, as well as Gaara sand all had effort in shielding that attack.

 

[lol99]

No you are twisting madaras word
He couldn't be more clear.

 

[Dantee]

No you are twisting madaras word
He couldn't be more clear.

It's you the people who are taking everything to literal and not reading between the lines. When Madara makes a clear statement and says Hashi would beat my current Edo ass then I'll back off.

 

[TheSages456]

It's you the people who are taking everything to literal and not reading between the lines. When Madara makes a clear statement and says Hashi would beat my current Edo ass then I'll back off.

He said he got a portion of his strength. Kabuto also said he modified his body.That is why there is face growing off his chest. Giving him mokoton prowess on the same scale of Hashirama.

Tsunade witnessed 1st hand what her farther was capable of. She was around at the time he was still alive. All these facts point Edo Madara was meant to be a combination of the two.

That rubberball didn't take that technique head on. As you know Onnoki special lightweightning technique, as well as Gaara sand all had effort in shielding that attack.

madara said that hashirama could stop him so that ends your thread right there.

kabuto implanted hashiramas dna into madara. madara said that he only has some of hashiramas power. end of story. unless you are hashirama himself then your mokuton wont be as good. people still recognize yamatos mokuton as hashiramas technique. yes onoki and gaara cushioned the meteor. did you forget that another meteor fell on it to make sure that the attack hit.

 

[lol99]

It's you the people who are taking everything to literal and not reading between the lines. When Madara makes a clear statement and says Hashi would beat my current Edo ass then I'll back off.

Challenge accepted

Perhaps you should learn Japanese before you claim it's wrong.
This is the line in Japanese:

この俺を止められるのは柱間だけだと言った筈だ

The tense is PRESENT, meaning "I already told you that Hashirama is the only one who can stop me."

 

[Dantee]

madara said that hashirama could stop him so that ends your thread right there.

kabuto implanted hashiramas dna into madara. madara said that he only has some of hashiramas power. end of story. unless you are hashirama himself then your mokuton wont be as good. people still recognize yamatos mokuton as hashiramas technique. yes onoki and gaara cushioned the meteor. did you forget that another meteor fell on it to make sure that the attack hit.

If the attack hit head on they'd be dead right now. It was cushioned rubber ball isn't tanking the meteor head on I'd bet the house on that.

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Right here Kabuto says it surpasses Danzo fusion. It is a union of Hashi and Madara. How is Hashi > Hashi+Madara+Rinnegan.

BTW goodd point in this scan. Yamamoto was part of the prototype. So this is more proof his mokoton has surpassed his.

 

[Dantee]

Challenge accepted

I lied.

 

[TheSages456]

If the attack hit head on they'd be dead right now. It was cushioned rubber ball isn't tanking the meteor head on I'd bet the house on that.

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Right here Kabuto says it surpasses Danzo fusion. It is a union of Hashi and Madara. How is Hashi > Hashi+Madara+Rinnegan.

the attack did hit head on. the 2nd meteor collided with the first and the meteors fell onto the 4th division. madara said that he only has some of hashiramas power. thats all there is to it. how do you think hashirama beat perfect susano if his mokuton was weaker than madaras. madaras susano towered over the mokuton forest and the meteor.

 

[Dantee]

the attack did hit head on. the 2nd meteor collided with the first and the meteors fell onto the 4th division. madara said that he only has some of hashiramas power. thats all there is to it. how do you think hashirama beat perfect susano if his mokuton was weaker than madaras. madaras susano towered over the mokuton forest and the meteor.

Did you forget they were all running away while Onnoki and Garra was holding it up. All they caught was the splash damage of it.

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I fixed my OP never meant to say mokuton can't be PS I just rlly doubt it. However with mokuton, Rinnegan and his EMS you don't think Edo Madara would pull a win from Hashi now.

We're going to agree to disagree on the mokuton debate. I'm reading the scan alot different than you are. I also see that Madara was meant to be a fusion of the 1st and Hashi.

 

[TheSages456]

Did you forget they were all running away while Onnoki and Garra was holding it up. All they caught was the splash damage of it.

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I fixed my OP never meant to say mokuton can't be PS I just rlly doubt it. However with mokuton, Rinnegan and his EMS you don't think Edo Madara would pull a win from Hashi now.

We're going to agree to disagree on the mokuton debate. I'm reading the scan alot different than you are. I also see that Madara was meant to be a fusion of the 1st and Hashi.

so your saying that all hashirama has to do is run away then shield himself with a wood fort. madara sent the other meteor down to make sure that nobody escaped so thats basically a moot point.


i think that hashirama can beat current madara because madara said so. hashirama has more jutsus than mokuton. the senju clan is the "clan of a thousand skills" or something.

hashiramas mokuton was able to destroy landscapes. madaras version did no such thing.

 

[Dantee]

so your saying that all hashirama has to do is run away then shield himself with a wood fort. madara sent the other meteor down to make sure that nobody escaped so thats basically a moot point.


i think that hashirama can beat current madara because madara said so. hashirama has more jutsus than mokuton. the senju clan is the "clan of a thousand skills" or something.

hashiramas mokuton was able to destroy landscapes. madaras version did no such thing.

Actually I'm saying Mokoton can't stop a meteor at all. Madara dropped the meteor precisely on Onnoki. Did you see anyone else die after Madaras attack? Go ahead and post the thread Rubber ball vs Meteor Technique. I'll let the rest of NB get you on this.


Madara changed the landscape with Mokoton as well. He used the same mokoton jutsu Hashi used. They are the same.

 

[TheSages456]

Actually I'm saying Mokoton can't stop a meteor at all. Madara dropped the meteor precisely on Onnoki. Did you see anyone else die after Madaras attack? Go ahead and post the thread Rubber ball vs Meteor Technique. I'll let the rest of NB get you on this.


Madara changed the landscape with Mokoton as well. He used the same mokoton jutsu Hashi used. They are the same.

no madara didnt drop the meteor precisely on onoki. onoki flew under it and lightened it. madara then dropped another meteor to make sure that it reached the intended destination. sure you can leave the rest of NB for this as long as we both know that madara admitted inferiority to hashirama even in his edo state.