Has Yammamoto surpassed/reached Mugetsu levels?

[lesley]

Post-Dangai Ichigo has more reitsu, but Yama has better abilities.

Someone with less reitsu can defeat someone with more. Was shown before Ichigo even went to SS when Byakuya owned him and after he sad Ichigo had more than him. So reitsu doesn't mean everything if you don't have the abilities and experience to go with it. Yama's thousands of years perfecting his bankai, gaining experience, and his fundamental abilities > Post-Dangai Ichigo. However in reitsu Post-Dangai Ichigo > Yama

All in all though Yama would win a fight.

The statement about Yama being the strongest Reaper alive was never contradicted. Even considering all of the power and hax Aizen had he made it a priority to seal Yama's flames because he was intelligently scared/worried about Yama.

Also, when Yama said in the last chapter that Ichigo still has a lot of abilities and his bankai is simply not at it's 100% poptential backs it up too.

i'll go with this

 

[niblack89]

I Don't Know Ichigo with one swing can demolish an entire mountain with his old bankai. The new bankai would get demolished by the old man. The mugetsu is Ichigo's most powerful attack and there's no way of blocking it. I'd say mugetsu wins. It'll be a good match up between mugetsu against the old man's north attack since they look similar in they cut down anything in there path.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

I Don't Know Ichigo with one swing can demolish an entire mountain with his old bankai. The new bankai would get demolished by the old man. The mugetsu is Ichigo's most powerful attack and there's no way of blocking it. I'd say mugetsu wins. It'll be a good match up between mugetsu against the old man's north attack since they look similar in they cut down anything in there path.

I'm pretty sure Yamamoto can turn a mountain to nOthing with one swing...I don't even think ichigo can get close to him an mugetsu is only good for one attack so if Yamamoto dodge or block it with his attack it's all over for ichigo.

 

[TheHokage]

I'm pretty sure Yamamoto can turn a mountain to nOthing with one swing...I don't even think ichigo can get close to him an mugetsu is only good for one attack so if Yamamoto dodge or block it with his attack it's all over for ichigo.

Ichigo's attacks are long to mid range and Mugetsu will kill anyone who doesn't have that Hogyoku there's no evidence that Yamamoto could dodge either as Aizen was faster than Yamamoto as he was a transcended being.

Mugetsu/Dangai Ichigo > Yamamoto

Yamamoto > (Present) Ichigo

 

[kit]

I'm pretty sure Yamamoto can turn a mountain to nOthing with one swing...I don't even think ichigo can get close to him an mugetsu is only good for one attack so if Yamamoto dodge or block it with his attack it's all over for ichigo.

This. I guess some people forget Yamamoto did this:

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And this was done with just the tip of his sword. xd

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Ichigo's attacks are long to mid range and Mugetsu will kill anyone who doesn't have that Hogyoku there's no evidence that Yamamoto could dodge either as Aizen was faster than Yamamoto as he was a transcended being.

Mugetsu/Dangai Ichigo > Yamamoto

Yamamoto > (Present) Ichigo

First off Yamamoto>any ichigo we have seen so far..mugetsu will kill anybody without the hogyoku in them do you have proof of that..Wat makes you think Yamamoto won't match it's power...can ichigo even stand close to Yamamoto like he was to aizen when he did mugetsu ichigo most likely won't be able to take that heat?

Yamamoto is just to strong.

 

[NLee]

This is stupid.

Yamamoto was NEVER < Mugetsu.



There is not a Shinigami alive (including Ichigo + Mask + Bankai + Plot) that is or has been stronger than Yamamoto. People need to get this through their heads.

 

[Eternal Moonless Sky]

This is stupid.

Yamamoto was NEVER < Mugetsu.



There is not a Shinigami alive (including Ichigo + Mask + Bankai + Plot) that is or has been stronger than Yamamoto. People need to get this through their heads.

^^^ So true!!!

 

[TheHokage]

First off Yamamoto>any ichigo we have seen so far..mugetsu will kill anybody without the hogyoku in them do you have proof of that..Wat makes you think Yamamoto won't match it's power...can ichigo even stand close to Yamamoto like he was to aizen when he did mugetsu ichigo most likely won't be able to take that heat?

Yamamoto is just to strong.

Well for one Aizen was torn in half and despite being immortal he struggled to heal as he was completely torn in half.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Well for one Aizen was torn in half and despite being immortal he struggled to heal as he was completely torn in half.

Aizen was never tore in half

 

[TheHokage]

Aizen was never tore in half

Oh well I'll go with completely obliterated then...

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In this page you see the effect the attack had on his body leaving him in half as believe it or not Aizen was hit from the front so the fact that his injuries also go to his back means they cut through him.

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In this page Ichigo is surprised that Aizen can regenerate still and unless Yamamoto has the ability to regenerate...which he doesn't or he would of grew his arm back he would be screwed if he got hit by that attack.

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In this page we have Aizen easily matching Yamamoto in speed unless of course I am mistaken and he's been caught in hypnosis but please prove it before just saying I am mistaken.

and this was the Aizen at his earliest stage of his evolution so imagine what what Aizen's final evolution form's speed would be like against Yamamoto.

So for dodging you can rule that out as Mugetsu Ichigo was faster than Aizen in his final evolution.

I'm not saying Yamamoto wouldn't put up a good fight I'm just saying if Ichigo landed a Mugetsu on him he would be killed instantly.

 

[mlickko]

Aizen only survived Mugetsu because it was after his fusion with Hogyoku that he was struck with it. I highlighted after, because we all know, that the moment he fused with Hogyoku completely, he became immortal. He was overpowered by Ichigo. But he couldn' die. Mugetsu was used only to show Hogyoku that Aizen could never achieve the power Ichigo had. It's clearly said that only when Ichigo used it Hogyoku stopped considering Aizen as its master.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Oh well I'll go with completely obliterated then...

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In this page you see the effect the attack had on his body leaving him in half as believe it or not Aizen was hit from the front so the fact that his injuries also go to his back means they cut through him.

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In this page Ichigo is surprised that Aizen can regenerate still and unless Yamamoto has the ability to regenerate...which he doesn't or he would of grew his arm back he would be screwed if he got hit by that attack.

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In this page we have Aizen easily matching Yamamoto in speed unless of course I am mistaken and he's been caught in hypnosis but please prove it before just saying I am mistaken.

and this was the Aizen at his earliest stage of his evolution so imagine what what Aizen's final evolution form's speed would be like against Yamamoto.

So for dodging you can rule that out as Mugetsu Ichigo was faster than Aizen in his final evolution.

I'm not saying Yamamoto wouldn't put up a good fight I'm just saying if Ichigo landed a Mugetsu on him he would be killed instantly.

He was not cut in half..anyway speed won't matter he will be overpowered an he can't stand close to yamamoto no way so he losses.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Aizen only survived Mugetsu because it was after his fusion with Hogyoku that he was struck with it. I highlighted after, because we all know, that the moment he fused with Hogyoku completely, he became immortal. He was overpowered by Ichigo. But he couldn' die. Mugetsu was used only to show Hogyoku that Aizen could never achieve the power Ichigo had. It's clearly said that only when Ichigo used it Hogyoku stopped considering Aizen as its master.

Naw he been fused with the hogyoku completely don't you kno that already.

 

[Punch]

Ichigo wins. Yama-jii doesn't even have any speed feats suggesting he could dodge a Mugestu, which would kill him in an instant.

 

[FlyingThunderGodHax]

He was not cut in half..anyway speed won't matter he will be overpowered an he can't stand close to yamamoto no way so he losses.

So you think an Ichigo who tanked a close range nuke from aizen broke through a level 90 + kidou from a hybrid aizen + hyogoku can not do what the "fake" juha bach was doing. He was clearly overpowering Aizen and even Aizen himself stated he took minmal damage from one of his strongest attacks. Therefore implying he had strong skin and a good defence. However Yammato's fires are probably hotter then Aizen's nuke but that's debatable.

Ichigo wins. Yama-jii doesn't even have any speed feats suggesting he could dodge a Mugestu, which would kill him in an instant.

I strongly believe Yammamoto would be sliced in half, why? Because Muguetsu splits dimensions not physically. So regardless of how powerful Yammamoto's defense is he is still vulnerable to Mugetsu's final attack. Regardless.........
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If anyone can counter this statement then I'll give this to Yammoto, if not then Mugetsu FTW

 

[bl4ckJack]

Aizen was so scared of Yama-jii so he created Wonderweiss SPECIALLY to seal Ryuujin Jakka (spelling xd) it stole all flames of Ryuujin Jakka, so i think he couldn't use his Bankai at that moment, that's why he didn't use it,... AND he needed to be stabbed by Kyoka Suigetsu to make sure it IS Aizen, so it's hard to tell, personally? i think that Yama-jii owns Ichigo in all his forms

This ^ Sums up almost everything what I think !
His Sword was sealed with the fight with Aizen ... Aizen agreed that His Zanpakuto will overpower his Kyokasuigetsu .. So yeah hes hella Strong :y

"What do u think ! why I remained the Head captain for 1000 years ?! bcoz in past 1000 years No shinigami was born whos stronger than me "

 

[FlyingThunderGodHax]

This ^ Sums up almost everything what I think !
His Sword was sealed with the fight with Aizen ... Aizen agreed that His Zanpakuto will overpower his Kyokasuigetsu .. So yeah hes hella Strong :y

"What do u think ! why I remained the Head captain for 1000 years ?! bcoz in past 1000 years No shinigami was born whos stronger than me "

I strongly believe Yammamoto would be sliced in half, why? Because Muguetsu splits dimensions not physically. So regardless of how powerful Yammamoto's defense is he is still vulnerable to Mugetsu's final attack. Regardless.........
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If anyone can counter this statement then I'll give this to Yammoto, if not then Mugetsu FTW

ThisU_U

 

[kotoamatsukami]

So you think an Ichigo who tanked a close range nuke from aizen broke through a level 90 + kidou from a hybrid aizen + hyogoku can not do what the "fake" juha bach was doing. He was clearly overpowering Aizen and even Aizen himself stated he took minmal damage from one of his strongest attacks. Therefore implying he had strong skin and a good defence. However Yammato's fires are probably hotter then Aizen's nuke but that's debatable.



I strongly believe Yammamoto would be sliced in half, why? Because Muguetsu splits dimensions not physically. So regardless of how powerful Yammamoto's defense is he is still vulnerable to Mugetsu's final attack. Regardless.........
^
If anyone can counter this statement then I'll give this to Yammoto, if not then Mugetsu FTW

Oldest an strongest zanpacto aizen power was not great enough yet

 

[TheHokage]

He was not cut in half..anyway speed won't matter he will be overpowered an he can't stand close to yamamoto no way so he losses.

Love the evidence you proved there, outstanding.

Even despite giving you proof that Aizen was sliced in half you still refuse to believe it, lol look at his body there's a clean cut right through his back despite being hit from the front... explanation he was sliced in half.

So speed doesn't matter does it what manga are you reading there's no point in having power if you can't land a hit on someone also Mugetsu is an attack that is fired from long range, and Aizen a being that had evolved so much that a captain level shinigami couldn't sense his presence wasn't able to sense Ichigo's power why...because he had evolved far higher than Aizen had.

Come back with facts instead of plain beliefs I've proved all my claims while you have not.