Hard work vs Natural talent

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It's basically would you want to be Sakura or Rock Lee
Sakura=Talent- very smart, able to get jutsu correct the first time, perfect chakra control

or
Rock Lee= Hardwork-colorful way of thinking (dumb), has to work hard to achieve his feats, no chakra control,

I'd rather be her, she is a much better example than Sasuke
I'm honestly starting to think that you've made it your personal goal to make every single thread created on this site revolve around Sakura.

OT: Both. A combination of Natural Talent and hard work has resulted in some of the strongest Shinobi in the series, such as Madara, Hashi, Itachi, Naruto, etc.
 

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hard work and natural talents doesn't matter anymore,there's those who are born with power and others who isn't,that is what this manga is all about.
PS:sharingan,bijuu powers,kkg have nothing to do with talent and hard work.
 

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What I find funny is that back in Part 1, hard work was pretty much seen to be enough to even match those who were born gifted.

Then we have Kabuto stating in Part 2 that those without talent are nothing in the Shinobi world, so they will just have to steal talent from those who have it....:|

Being gifted is better than being hardworking, the strongest Shinobi as of now were gifted and that is why they are the strongest.

-Hashirama
-Madara
-Naruto
-Sasuke
-Obito

etc.
Agreed. However, brace youself. Stupid comments such as "don't like the manga, don't read and get out" are comming.
 

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What I find funny is that back in Part 1, hard work was pretty much seen to be enough to even match those who were born gifted.

Then we have Kabuto stating in Part 2 that those without talent are nothing in the Shinobi world, so they will just have to steal talent from those who have it....:|

Being gifted is better than being hardworking, the strongest Shinobi as of now were gifted and that is why they are the strongest.

-Hashirama
-Madara
-Naruto
-Sasuke
-Obito

etc.
Still, all of these trained vigorously in order to achieve their power. [Well, perhaps Sasuke and Obito, not as much] Madara and Hashirama were both raised during the time of war, and were forced to continuously develop their power, they had no other choice. The Manga put it perfectly, Madara spent every waking hour in battle. Naruto is self explanatory.
 

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Still, all of these trained vigorously in order to achieve their power. [Well, perhaps Sasuke and Obito, not as much] Madara and Hashirama were both raised during the time of war, and were forced to continuously develop their power, they had no other choice. The Manga put it perfectly, Madara spent every waking hour in battle. Naruto is self explanatory.
I can agree on Madara and Hashirama.
 

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I can agree on Madara and Hashirama.
While Naruto is probably my least favorite character in this entire Manga, I must say, he's put in far more effort when it comes to training than most other ninjas. The Rasengan, Sage Mode, the Rasenshuriken and his three year training with Jiraiya are examples of the hard work he has put into training. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of ninjas who put in a lot more work than he did, but however, there's no denying the fact that he's worked more for his power than for example, Obito and Sasuke.
 

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Still, all of these trained vigorously in order to achieve their power. [Well, perhaps Sasuke and Obito, not as much] Madara and Hashirama were both raised during the time of war, and were forced to continuously develop their power, they had no other choice. The Manga put it perfectly, Madara spent every waking hour in battle. Naruto is self explanatory.
But then compare the work ethics of madara and hashirama to Guy and Lee who have a similar or possibly even greater hardworking ethics than both of them. They are considered the epitome of hard work and even still they one upped by both of them.
 

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But then compare the work ethics of madara and hashirama to Guy and Lee who have a similar or possibly even greater hardworking ethics than both of them. They are considered the epitome of hard work and even still they one upped by both of them.
My point exactly. Just having one of the two won't do you much good in most cases [Although there are exceptions of course], the majority of the most powerful Shinobi in the series have had both.
 

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I would just like to have drive for doing what i love for the sake of loving doing it; whether i am naturally talented for it or not.

I don't believe in concept of "loltalentpotential" anyway. İt is a mere case of limitations and not even accurate predictions; like i said; everything is matter of drive and loving and wanting to do something.
 

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first off kishi made dojutsu apart of uchiha clan.

Uchiha were born with it.


Rock lee is the way he is cuz he cant use much charka, thats the only reason
 

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While Naruto is probably my least favorite character in this entire Manga, I must say, he's put in far more effort when it comes to training than most other ninjas. The Rasengan, Sage Mode, the Rasenshuriken and his three year training with Jiraiya are examples of the hard work he has put into training. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of ninjas who put in a lot more work than he did, but however, there's no denying the fact that he's worked more for his power than for example, Obito and Sasuke.
Yes, him as well.
 

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The concept of Senju vs Uchiha, is the concept of Hard work vs Natural Talent.


In reality Natural talent requires hardwork. And sometimes Hardwork is needed to unlock our true potential.

And even in the case of Madara and Hashirama.. Mokuton is simply the ability to create trees and so on.. however mastering and making up the jutsu and so on, requires hardwork.

Sharingan on the other hand.... is considered the eye of a genius.
 
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