Hamura's lack of importance explained in the final page of the manga

[ShinjuMadara]

" It proves no one can accomplish impossible things alone, but history is often unfair to many people. "

Very deep and very true. 5 star thread

 

[EmotionalRockfish]

There always had to be a reason for Hamura being ignored, and this makes sense. I was wondering about why no one remembered Kaguya either before BZ was introduced - he probably messed with a lot of things.

 

[Darkboy85]

Well, that's actually a legit explanation, gg

It's true that history can be unfair to some people. Let's hope that we will still learn more about him in the upcoming movie though.

 

[spade3dg]

Its a nice explanation but it does mention other shinobi. Not by name but it says the boy, fox spirit and other shinobi sealed the bijuu.

Nice explanation though

 

[Eye of the Beholder]

Are you one of those fans still unsatisfied with Hamura's seeming lack of importance in the manga? Simply re-read the final page and you'll see why:

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Who is not mentioned in this final page? Sasuke, that's who. Despite the fact that Sasuke essentially committed half of the required power to defeat the Juubi/Kaguya, he receives no credit in the history books. What Kishi is essentially doing with this last page is creating the story that will be remembered a thousand years down the line. Its identically comparable to the sage's story and how it was passed on in modern times.

Despite the fact that the sage and his brother were each equally responsible for Kaguya's sealing, only the sage received historical credit. No one but those in the know even knew about Hamura. Naruto is the sage and Sasuke is Hamura, a thousand years down the line no one will even know about Sasuke. This is why Hamura lacked importance in the manga, yet was essential to the story and needed to he introduced. It proves no one can accomplish impossible things alone, but history is often unfair to many people. Thanks for reading as always.

Some people just like to stay in the shadows. There is some advantage in that... and sometimes is necessary. Like the story with the Third Hokage and Danzo... Roots and leaves..

 

[Byron123]

Lol that's true indeed but Hamura will play a role in the following movie.

 

[BLAZE]

lol true dat

 

[davidou]

Very interesting , if that's right , that would mean that Hagoromo was a good guy loved by everyone and Hamura a bad guy hated by everyone.
A bit like Naruto and Sasuke.

The databook says that Hamura and his clan went to the moon to protect the seal , was it his answer for redemption?
A bit like Sasuke who is travelling around the world (maybe looking for huge problems between people , and telling to the ninja system their nature , Sasuke is good at seing the problem , but not at finding the answer) , for redemption.

What did Hamura do to make him think that he and all his descendance deserved to live forever on the moon?
How can the Ootsutsuki clan survive without incests if there are only Ootsutsuki members on the moon?
Do they live on the moon as an immortal soul?

 

[Byron123]

Very interesting , if that's right , that would mean that Hagoromo was a good guy loved by everyone and Hamura a bad guy hated by everyone.
A bit like Naruto and Sasuke.

The databook says that Hamura and his clan went to the moon to protect the seal , was it his answer for redemption?
A bit like Sasuke who is travelling around the world (maybe looking for huge problems between people , and telling to the ninja system their nature , Sasuke is good at seing the problem , but not at finding the answer) , for redemption.

What did Hamura do to make him think that he and all his descendance deserved to live forever on the moon?
How can the Ootsutsuki clan survive without incests if there are only Ootsutsuki members on the moon?
Do they live on the moon as an immortal soul?

We will find out in the movie since he will take part in it.

 

[davidou]

We will find out in the movie since he will take part in it.

Hopefully.

 

[Byron123]

Hopefully.

No it's a guarantee, Hamura must be that odd creature with the yellow balls.

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[davidou]

No it's a guarantee, Hamura must be that odd creature with the yellow balls.

It's Kishimoto , he is good at keeping the answers for him , but I agree that we may have a little of Hamura's story in that film.
That creature could be Hamura , or one of his children , cause the fact that the databook mentionned "Hamura and his clan" implies that he has at least one child.
The eyes of the creature don't look like Hamura's eyes , that's why I won't say that this creature is Hamura , it could be...

 

[NaruSasuRival]

Are you one of those fans still unsatisfied with Hamura's seeming lack of importance in the manga? Simply re-read the final page and you'll see why:

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Who is not mentioned in this final page? Sasuke, that's who. Despite the fact that Sasuke essentially committed half of the required power to defeat the Juubi/Kaguya, he receives no credit in the history books. What Kishi is essentially doing with this last page is creating the story that will be remembered a thousand years down the line. Its identically comparable to the sage's story and how it was passed on in modern times.

Despite the fact that the sage and his brother were each equally responsible for Kaguya's sealing, only the sage received historical credit. No one but those in the know even knew about Hamura. Naruto is the sage and Sasuke is Hamura, a thousand years down the line no one will even know about Sasuke. This is why Hamura lacked importance in the manga, yet was essential to the story and needed to he introduced. It proves no one can accomplish impossible things alone, but history is often unfair to many people. Thanks for reading as always.

Well, you need to realize that Sasuke did not bring anything on his own as Naruto and Kurama did. The only thing Sasuke brought was help sealing Kaguya with a power given him by Hagoromo to avoid jealousy.

Now, tell us what Sasuke did better than Kakashi, Sakura, Guy Sensei, or even the Gokages who have been fighting the entire war, training Naruto and Sasuke himself, etc. just like the later, Sasuke is merely a side character no matter what his fanbase want to say about him. Believe it or not, even if Sasuke was not around, Naruto would have done it.

One question: Do you know why Kishi never gave the full Kurama to Naruto?

Well, I bet there is something about the Jinchuriki of full-Kurama (Yin-Yang). In fact, check some of the flashback about Hagoromo. It appears that he actually may have been Jinchuriki of Kurama before even being Juubiriki.

 

[Floydical]

Well, you need to realize that Sasuke did not bring anything on his own as Naruto and Kurama did. The only thing Sasuke brought was help sealing Kaguya with a power given him by Hagoromo to avoid jealousy.

Now, tell us what Sasuke did better than Kakashi, Sakura, Guy Sensei, or even the Gokages who have been fighting the entire war, training Naruto and Sasuke himself, etc. just like the later, Sasuke is merely a side character no matter what his fanbase want to say about him. Believe it or not, even if Sasuke was not around, Naruto would have done it.

One question: Do you know why Kishi never gave the full Kurama to Naruto?

Well, I bet there is something about the Jinchuriki of full-Kurama (Yin-Yang). In fact, check some of the flashback about Hagoromo. It appears that he actually may have been Jinchuriki of Kurama before even being Juubiriki.

Kishi made the defeat of Obito essentially 50% Naruto and 50% Sasuke. The combined Kurama/Susanoo is what finished him off.

Kishi made the defeat of Kaguya 50% Sasuke 50% Naruto. If history was fair, they'd each get equal credit.

 

[Ultimateone]

well in sasuke's situation it makes sense why he was left out. sasuke was essentially a criminal for most of the story. he only did right long enough for him to help defeat obito, madara and kaguya. then after doing some good was hell bent on starting a dictatorship that would encompass the entire world as they know it. as far as we know, hamura didn't do any of that. he went off to watch over the moon and their clan. but it does acknowledge that naruto didn't do it alone, it says with the help of other shinobi. but lets be honest here, naruto did most of the work, therefore deserving most of the credit. you can't mention everyone by name.

 

[Hazo]

He was trying to give the conclusion which is different from the start, where the tailed beasts are considered a threat...

Now after the battle they're viewed as spirits, who guide the humans into their future..

It would be a lot easier to understand when you add both pages into your thread..

 

[Avani]

Thanks everyone

@blizard2, read the *********** translation and you'll see they don't even mention 'other shinobi'. Either way, since he wasn't mentioned directly, there is no way history will remember him for it.

He is lucky that they didn't add that after sealing the jubbi the boy with the fox had to fight the other shinobi to save the world from him too and that's why seventh hokage was also known as Senju hand hokage.

One loses the credits when he has ulterior motives of his own on the side and is helping till he reaches in a position implement his personal plan too.

 

[cmoG]

I understand you, but Sasuke already let us know that he wants to work in the shadows. He's not looking for the glory & admiration like Naruto & that goes outside of his character. He's still a pseudo Itachi & Itachi never wanted attention either. He too wanted to stay in the shadows. Sasuke isn't being treated unfairly, because this is what he is most satisfied with. Plus, he still feels guilty for his sins & wants to make up for them. He doesn't want nor expect the Obito treatment.lol

 

[Hidari]

One question: Do you know why Kishi never gave the full Kurama to Naruto?

Well, I bet there is something about the Jinchuriki of full-Kurama (Yin-Yang). In fact, check some of the flashback about Hagoromo. It appears that he actually may have been Jinchuriki of Kurama before even being Juubiriki.

It was already stated in the manga that Hagoromo and Hamura defeated the Jūbi and Hagoromo became its Jinchūriki.

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Before Hagoromo died, he split the Juubi into the 9 bijuu, after which he sealed the empty vessel that remained (the Gedō Mazō) on the moon.

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[Meowazziel]

Good point.