Well I am talking about handicaped Kaguya with these restrictions aka none Shinjuu to fuse with.
Is it really fanboying and so big stretch to claim Jin Hagoromo would have chance against her under these condtions ?
Naruto and Sasuke who recieved half of power/chakra from Post Jin Hagoromo, were able to put up battle against Kaguya. No imagine, what Jin Hagoromo would done.
I only see Prime Kaguya beating him no diff, and powered up Kaguya beating him low-mid diff
Kaguya before power up against Naruto and Sasuke would barerly win or even loose.
Well I am talking about handicaped Kaguya with these restrictions aka none Shinjuu to fuse with.
Is it really fanboying and so big stretch to claim Jin Hagoromo would have chance against her under these condtions ?
Naruto and Sasuke who recieved half of power/chakra from Post Jin Hagoromo, were able to put up battle against Kaguya. No imagine, what Jin Hagoromo would done.
I only see Prime Kaguya beating him no diff, and powered up Kaguya beating him low-mid diff
Kaguya before power up against Naruto and Sasuke would barerly win or even loose.
Hagoromo said that he was weaker, that Kaguya was the strongest their ever was. That includes him at every point of his life, meaning he's weaker, that simple. Not gonna argue a fight that someone already admitted he'd lose.
Also, Naruto and Sasuke didn't put up a fight because they were strong enough. Naruto was stuck using distractions and decoys on her while Sasuke got tossed to another dimension.
Hagoromo needed Hamura to beat the Juubi, who is weaker than Kaguya, by far. Give Hagoromo the Juubi and he still doesn't stand a chance against someone who is far above it.
Hagoromo said that he was weaker, that Kaguya was the strongest their ever was. That includes him at every point of his life, meaning he's weaker, that simple. Not gonna argue a fight that someone already admitted he'd lose.
^^ well has Hagoromo even reffered to himself as Jinchurki in any period of time of his life ? I doubt it.
Hagoromo only known Kaguya until she fused with Shinjuu taking on form on ten tails , right ? so at the most he could only compared himself at that time to her at that time or until that time.
If Hagoromo knew that Juubi was in fact his mother but fused with God Tree, then I would agree, but he didn't.
Also when he became Ten tails host there was no trail of Kaguya so he couldn't compare to her at that time.
Also, Naruto and Sasuke didn't put up a fight because they were strong enough. Naruto was stuck using distractions and decoys on her while Sasuke got tossed to another dimension.
Hagoromo needed Hamura to beat the Juubi, who is weaker than Kaguya, by far. Give Hagoromo the Juubi and he still doesn't stand a chance against someone who is far above it.
Also Being Juubi Jinchurki > Juubi and by much also, as it allows to focus raw power which give more potency.
It is same as comparing Pre Jin Obito and Juubi Jinchurki Obito, do you see how massive boost Obito got ?
I don't bother with Madara as plot restricted him and his performance in compare to pre Jin performance was underwhelming.
Having huge amount of chakra is not enough to determine winner and Hagoromo also has aces in his sleeves, as he was able to summon everyone back from kaguya's dimenssion so he wouldn't get owned with space time Jutsu, beat up yes, but not stomped/owned easily.
Irrelevant. If he said Kaguya was the strongest there ever was, then he obviously wasn't stronger than her at one point. That's like Naruto saying that Sasuke was the strongest their ever was...lmao. Makes no sense.
Hagoromo only known Kaguya until she fused with Shinjuu taking on form on ten tails , right ? so at the most he could only compared himself at that time to her at that time or until that time.
All he needs to know is Kaguya's strength to compare, he doesn't need to even exist in the same time period as her. If Kaguya is the strongest their ever was, then nobody Hagoromo ever knew was stronger than her.
Well good point, but still they were able survive against her even if a short time.
Except Kaguya's chakra>Hagoromo's chakra in every way, shape and form. Kaguya's techniques>Hagoromo's techniques. Kaguya's hype>Hagoromo's hype. Kaguya's feats>Hagoromo's feats. Hagoromo said Kaguya was stronger.
and Hagoromo also has aces in his sleeves, as he was able to summon everyone back from kaguya's dimenssion so he wouldn't get owned with space time Jutsu, beat up yes, but not stomped/owned easily.
Irrelevant. Summoning only worked because he was outside of those dimensions. How is he going to summon himself back from one of her dimensions? Lol.
He gets owned, easily. Mid diff I'll say. Mid-high at the highest...definitely not extremely high, can go either way like you are suggesting. Not a chance.
I guess Kaguya by default. She doesn't really need the Shinju, most of her techniques weren't chakra heavy in usage except for dimensional traveling and that wouldn't really help in a battle as we saw in her final fight with team 7.
Even though I'm confident she would win, I'm not sure how, we never saw many of her feats. Only a couple lame jutsus we showcased. Idk if she even has the power of the six paths.
Irrelevant. If he said Kaguya was the strongest there ever was, then he obviously wasn't stronger than her at one point. That's like Naruto saying that Sasuke was the strongest their ever was...lmao. Makes no sense.
If we have to be specific/precise then Hagoromo has never said Kaguya was the strongest ever, he only said that she was stronger then anyone else.
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^^ there was no word "ever" so it is assumption. Hagoromo compared everyone including Ten tails to her, but it would be far-fetched to say he compared her to his jinchurki state as he never had chance to see full extent of his power due to lack enemy or threat which could force him to.
1) Because "ever" word was never used
2) never called himself Jinchurki
3) Shortly after becoming Ten tails host he spread that chakra to humans trying to connect them via chakra.
All he needs to know is Kaguya's strength to compare, he doesn't need to even exist in the same time period as her. If Kaguya is the strongest their ever was, then nobody Hagoromo ever knew was stronger than her.
Except Kaguya's chakra>Hagoromo's chakra in every way, shape and form. Kaguya's techniques>Hagoromo's techniques. Kaguya's hype>Hagoromo's hype. Kaguya's feats>Hagoromo's feats. Hagoromo said Kaguya was stronger.
lol, I know Kaguya has bigger amount of chakra then Hagoromo, but why did you imply in shape and form also ?
I meant what does it even mean ?...
Hagoromo's techniques/abilites > Kaguya's techniques/abilties
Hagoromo's feats are little to noone and for such small amount of them they are really impressive, but your point stay.
He gets owned, easily. Mid diff I'll say. Mid-high at the highest...definitely not extremely high, can go either way like you are suggesting. Not a chance.
