[Theory] Hagoromo and Hamura, Izanagi and Izanami, Sharingan and the DRS

[Tenshi Uchiha]

I think obito will redeem himself in the form of rds but in turn he will take its place instead.

 

[dragonflamebombs]

wow never thought of an ending like that one.......cool

and I like the fact that you ended with obito being the savior my co favorite next to karuma.....

 

[grindheim]

i have a sense that, obito still have a part in the war or final battle.

 

[GodKage]

nice read

 

[Kyaun97]

nice theory b

 

[Lance171]

I think obitos gonna give kakashi his ms back

 

[Arcuz]

Very interesting please continue with these theories

 

[SuicideCircus]

Pretty good theory.. Yet I still don't understand something. Why you guys think that Hagoromo is alive? Anyways.. Nice theory again

 

[platinum69]

wow awesome theory, I enjoyed the read...

I think he is still alive... if he was dead then they would say he died while trying to seal the Juubi... or something... but they are leading us on and are giving little info about the brother which will lead up to some big..

I hope he was the one who trained all the animal in Ninja art... like the Toads and snakes and slugs...

or maybe even made a different kind of fighting beings... like his bother made shinobi... maybe Hamura made his own fighting clan... since he had Byakugan (according to

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) they are leaning towards him being the founding father of the The Hyūga clan... I wish more for him then just a founder of a clan... They should have made Neji the reincarnation of Hamura...

I love how they keep coming up with this... makes this Manga a legend...

 

[uchicha naruto]

Hagoromo and Hamura, Izanagi and Izanami, Sharingan and the DRS​

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There have been a lot of threads on Hamura lately and I would hate to bore you guys with another one, but a really interesting thought popped into my head. Doesn't Hagoromo parallel with Izanagi? This idea was kinda inspired by some of the info I found on Sir Derp Obito's threads and even though I don't really agree with all of his theories, I don't think anyone does more research than him in his theories. So now that I have given him his props, we can continue

Izanagi and Izanami

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Nunoboko was said to have created the world (not ex nihilo but created the world by reshaping it since the world was already in existence before Hagoromo's birth) and the blade was based on Amenonuhoko, the heavenly jewelled spear used by Izanami and Izanagi:

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Izanagi was also the Father of the three gods. Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susano’o. The technique utilized by the Sage’s Eldest Son who inherited the Sage’s eyes and chakra.

So if Hagoromo is Izanagi then that would make his brother Izanami. Well Izanami died after giving birth to her son Kagutsuchi and her soul went to the Land of the Dead. While in the land of the dead Izanami partook of the food there and was transformed into one of the dead. This passage describes what Izanami describes what Izanami looked like after becoming one of the dead:

She was now a rotting form of flesh with maggots and foul creatures running over her ravaged body.

So in other words she looked horrendous. Much worse than this:

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Anyway u get my point that after dying Izanami/ Hamura would no longer looked like this

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But instead take on a much more ghastly appearance.

Sharingan and The Death Reaper Seal

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Next lets take a look at the most prominent clans of the two brothers, The Uzamaki and The Uchiha. The Uchiha are known for their doujutsu, the sharingan. The Sharingan is also called "Heaven's Eye" (天眼, Tengan) This name is very fitting for the doujustu because all of its technique revolve around Gods and beings found in Takamegahara (home of the gods or basically heaven)

Izanagi-God
Izanami-God
Amaterasu-God
Tsukuyomi-God
Susano'o- God
Kamuy (Ainu: カムイ, Japanese: 神威 or 神居, kamui) is the word for a spiritual or divine being
Kotoamatsukami (別天津神, literally means "distinguishing heavenly kami") is the collective name for the first gods which came into existence at the time of the creation of the universe

So what about the Uzamaki. Well their clan is known for their sealing techniques, namely the DRS. I shouldn't have to explain what connection that has to the Underworld, but what about the chakra chains. Has anyone heard of the chains of HELL? (coincidence that its used to subdue demons):snick:

Heaven and Hell

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My point basically is that I never really bought into the premise that two God like characters like Hagoromo and Hamura where incomplete beings that only represented Yang or Yin. I believe that they r both two god like beings

Hagoromo-The God of Heaven: hence the Sun and moon staff (the celestial bodies of the sky)

Hamura- The God of Hell: Hamura's staff is a Tetsuko
The Tetsukō (鉄 钩):
"Conquers evil spirits or dragon Akuryū (悪 竜). Like the ax and sword, it is used to cut away or dispel ignorance. Also Utilized in Japanese rituals of exorcism by shamans and priests. "

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In other words Hamura's staff is a tool used to get rid of spirits used by shamans and priests.

How this Ties in to the Current Story

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First, I believe that if Kaguya, Hagoromo, and even Ashura, and Indra could survive somehow after death, then I don't see why Hamura wouldn't be able to and if he is indeed the God of Hell then there is a good chance that the Reaper of the RDS is either his own form or a remnant of Hamura's power.

Now to my point, Hagoromo should be much stronger than his brother since Hagoromo had the Juubi and Hamura didn't. Any power up given by him to Naruto or Sasuke would be of little importance in comparison.

Kishimoto is dead set on using Obito. I don't think anyone can believe that he is truly dead, so I think that Obito will meet Hamura the God of Hell/ Reaper during his time of death and he will make a deal with Hamura. (a type of deal with the devil situation) Hamura will put off taking Obito's soul, but in return he must bring the soul of Kaguya back with him and Hamura will give Obito the power help defeat Kaguya. In exchange though Obito soul will be consumed by the Reaper, meaning he won't meet Rin or any of his friends in the afterlife (a fitting punishment for what he has done)

Well, this is my theory. Let me know what u think down below.

Very nice theory infact I know where your coming from it fits and might actually turn that way just that I go with the idea of obito making a deal with Hamura for his soul and I do agree that Hamura is infact connected to the "god shinagami" the death reaper god since the reaper looks like him

 

[Zantos]

Hagoromo and Hamura, Izanagi and Izanami, Sharingan and the DRS​

​

There have been a lot of threads on Hamura lately and I would hate to bore you guys with another one, but a really interesting thought popped into my head. Doesn't Hagoromo parallel with Izanagi? This idea was kinda inspired by some of the info I found on Sir Derp Obito's threads and even though I don't really agree with all of his theories, I don't think anyone does more research than him in his theories. So now that I have given him his props, we can continue

Izanagi and Izanami

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Nunoboko was said to have created the world (not ex nihilo but created the world by reshaping it since the world was already in existence before Hagoromo's birth) and the blade was based on Amenonuhoko, the heavenly jewelled spear used by Izanami and Izanagi:

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Izanagi was also the Father of the three gods. Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susano’o. The technique utilized by the Sage’s Eldest Son who inherited the Sage’s eyes and chakra.

So if Hagoromo is Izanagi then that would make his brother Izanami. Well Izanami died after giving birth to her son Kagutsuchi and her soul went to the Land of the Dead. While in the land of the dead Izanami partook of the food there and was transformed into one of the dead. This passage describes what Izanami describes what Izanami looked like after becoming one of the dead:

She was now a rotting form of flesh with maggots and foul creatures running over her ravaged body.

So in other words she looked horrendous. Much worse than this:

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Anyway u get my point that after dying Izanami/ Hamura would no longer looked like this

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But instead take on a much more ghastly appearance.

Sharingan and The Death Reaper Seal

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Next lets take a look at the most prominent clans of the two brothers, The Uzamaki and The Uchiha. The Uchiha are known for their doujutsu, the sharingan. The Sharingan is also called "Heaven's Eye" (天眼, Tengan) This name is very fitting for the doujustu because all of its technique revolve around Gods and beings found in Takamegahara (home of the gods or basically heaven)

Izanagi-God
Izanami-God
Amaterasu-God
Tsukuyomi-God
Susano'o- God
Kamuy (Ainu: カムイ, Japanese: 神威 or 神居, kamui) is the word for a spiritual or divine being
Kotoamatsukami (別天津神, literally means "distinguishing heavenly kami") is the collective name for the first gods which came into existence at the time of the creation of the universe

So what about the Uzamaki. Well their clan is known for their sealing techniques, namely the DRS. I shouldn't have to explain what connection that has to the Underworld, but what about the chakra chains. Has anyone heard of the chains of HELL? (coincidence that its used to subdue demons):snick:

Heaven and Hell

Spoiler

My point basically is that I never really bought into the premise that two God like characters like Hagoromo and Hamura where incomplete beings that only represented Yang or Yin. I believe that they r both two god like beings

Hagoromo-The God of Heaven: hence the Sun and moon staff (the celestial bodies of the sky)

Hamura- The God of Hell: Hamura's staff is a Tetsuko
The Tetsukō (鉄 钩):
"Conquers evil spirits or dragon Akuryū (悪 竜). Like the ax and sword, it is used to cut away or dispel ignorance. Also Utilized in Japanese rituals of exorcism by shamans and priests. "

You must be registered for see links

In other words Hamura's staff is a tool used to get rid of spirits used by shamans and priests.

How this Ties in to the Current Story

Spoiler

First, I believe that if Kaguya, Hagoromo, and even Ashura, and Indra could survive somehow after death, then I don't see why Hamura wouldn't be able to and if he is indeed the God of Hell then there is a good chance that the Reaper of the RDS is either his own form or a remnant of Hamura's power.

Now to my point, Hagoromo should be much stronger than his brother since Hagoromo had the Juubi and Hamura didn't. Any power up given by him to Naruto or Sasuke would be of little importance in comparison.

Kishimoto is dead set on using Obito. I don't think anyone can believe that he is truly dead, so I think that Obito will meet Hamura the God of Hell/ Reaper during his time of death and he will make a deal with Hamura. (a type of deal with the devil situation) Hamura will put off taking Obito's soul, but in return he must bring the soul of Kaguya back with him and Hamura will give Obito the power help defeat Kaguya. In exchange though Obito soul will be consumed by the Reaper, meaning he won't meet Rin or any of his friends in the afterlife (a fitting punishment for what he has done)

Well, this is my theory. Let me know what u think down below.

that was an absolutely awesome read !! thanks for hard work and sharing this !
my only problem is with hamura's staff !! i checked the link and it does not fit with "The Tetsukō" description !

 

[uchicha naruto]

The beginning of the theory was good, but the conclusion is pretty bad. I think most of such conclusions are the results of either misunderstanding of the manga, or a personal choice of the fanbase. There are couples of things people need to understand here:

(1) Sealing Jutsus are the legacy of the Uzumaki clan. I doubt a non-Uzumaki character will be the heir of anything related to dealings.
(2) Obito was a pawn in the game. He tried his best to outclass his master, but now he is done.
(3) There have to be a reason why Naruto is the hero, Ashura's reincarnation, received half of Hagoromo's power, and Uzumaki. This simple fact is being ignored, and this is why we have so many asspul-like conclusion or theory that do not even tie to the manga.


What I am trying to say is that similar to Senju, Uchiha, and Huyaga, the Uzumaki may have a sealing KKG. Maybe it is rare, or so, but I have two reasons to believe that: (1) The chakra chain KKG, and (2) The sealing Justus that Naruto used in his inner-world to subdue the Kyuubi.

If Hamura shows up, I won't have any problem, but I am pretty sure Kaguya will recognize Hamura in either Naruto or Sasuke. Then, we will know everything we need to know about him through actions and flashbacks. This will be a better writing than to repeat a stupid sequence that seems like dejavu.

I agree with what you said they forget that naruto is the hero and the heir of Hamura if truly Hamura is the forefather to the hyuuga's and the uzumaki infact if Hamura wants to come through anybody it will be naruto he fits