[Theory] Hagoromo and Hamura, Izanagi and Izanami, Sharingan and the DRS

[zeezzay]

Well, tbh when Kishimoto references mythology he tends to forget gender. A casing point would be Sasuke mirroring the Goddess Amaterasu-kami

okay then, deffo u theory is brilliant

 

[ANiMUS]

but they do know about kabuto working with tobito...remember anko? lol
not fair to say kabuto has a bro and obito doesnt have a place to belong...

My point is that Kishimoto has tied Kabuto to being around after the war by means of his brother. I don't know how he is gonna do it, but it does seem like he has loved ones waiting up for him. Obito on the other hand is making up for his deeds now

okay then, deffo u theory is brilliant

Thanks

 

[Angelic.]

My point is that Kishimoto has tied Kabuto to being around after the war by means of his brother. I don't know how he is gonna do it, but it does seem like he has loved ones waiting up for him. Obito on the other hand is making up for his deeds now


Thanks

in other words obito is relevant and kabuto isnt. already knew that lol.

 

[ANiMUS]

in other words obito is relevant and kabuto isnt. already knew that lol.

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.

 

[UCE]

Pretty good.

 

[BLAZE]

Great Theory Bro.
XD

 

[NaruSasuRival]

The beginning of the theory was good, but the conclusion is pretty bad. I think most of such conclusions are the results of either misunderstanding of the manga, or a personal choice of the fanbase. There are couples of things people need to understand here:

(1) Sealing Jutsus are the legacy of the Uzumaki clan. I doubt a non-Uzumaki character will be the heir of anything related to dealings.
(2) Obito was a pawn in the game. He tried his best to outclass his master, but now he is done.
(3) There have to be a reason why Naruto is the hero, Ashura's reincarnation, received half of Hagoromo's power, and Uzumaki. This simple fact is being ignored, and this is why we have so many asspul-like conclusion or theory that do not even tie to the manga.


What I am trying to say is that similar to Senju, Uchiha, and Huyaga, the Uzumaki may have a sealing KKG. Maybe it is rare, or so, but I have two reasons to believe that: (1) The chakra chain KKG, and (2) The sealing Justus that Naruto used in his inner-world to subdue the Kyuubi.

If Hamura shows up, I won't have any problem, but I am pretty sure Kaguya will recognize Hamura in either Naruto or Sasuke. Then, we will know everything we need to know about him through actions and flashbacks. This will be a better writing than to repeat a stupid sequence that seems like dejavu.

 

[HouKage]

Kabuto commited unspeakable acts as well,like mass slaughter for Edo sacrifices.He might survive but nobody will accept him either.

I dunno about Slaughter . .. are those Edo's mostly Zetsus?
I mean Mass grave robbing is the proper crime.

 

[Angelic.]

I dunno about Slaughter . .. are those Edo's mostly Zetsus?
I mean Mass grave robbing is the proper crime.

kabuto already had his army when he showed up to tobito. so yea a lot of live human sacrifices and grave robbing lolol

 

[Mr Hiru]

...so you were not the only one who came with the same conclusion about Obito, huh?

You must be registered for see links

But, I have to rep you. You really elaborated a basis behind the appearing of Hamura.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Nice theory, I agree with the gods you listed in beginning but overall I don't think Hamura ties in with the concept of Izanagi and Izanami especially Izanami is a female. I don't see Obito being part of any of this so to speak, all that is awaiting for him is to give Kakashi his final word and giving up his other eyes to Kakashi.

However I agree that Hamura is a death reaper and we all know that Uzumaki are known for sealing. I definitely see Uzumaki being related to the Hyuga and there is defiantly strong connection because don't forget about the 8 trigram seal.

Anyway you deserve some +Rep from me

 

[Mr Hiru]

Nice theory, I agree with the gods you listed in beginning but overall I don't think Hamura ties in with the concept of Izanagi and Izanami especially Izanami is a female. However I agree that Hamura is a death reaper and we all know that Uzumaki are known for sealing. I definitely see Uzumaki being related to the Hyuga and there is defiantly strong connection because don't forget about the 8 trigram seal.

Anyway you deserve some +Rep from me

I have to disagree in the bolded part.

a) These gods were known for not having an definited gender (albeit, by folklore and pictorical antromorphism Izanami was known as a woman, more specifically "the woman who invites"), these gods didn't have a physical gender. Plus, Izanagi and Izanami were not just wife and husband. They were also siblings (but they didn't do incest to give birth to their children).

b) I think Hamura really fits the pattern of Izanami. While Hagoromo is the one who seeks for changing the fate of Kaguya Ootsutsuki's wish, the RDS (the possibly incorporeal form of Hamura) would be sealing the fate of those who fell into its teeths.

 

[ANiMUS]

...so you were not the only one who came with the same conclusion about Obito, huh?

You must be registered for see links

But, I have to rep you. You really elaborated a basis behind the appearing of Hamura.

Thanx

Nice theory, I agree with the gods you listed in beginning but overall I don't think Hamura ties in with the concept of Izanagi and Izanami especially Izanami is a female. I don't see Obito being part of any of this so to speak, all that is awaiting for him is to give Kakashi his final word and giving up his other eyes to Kakashi.

However I agree that Hamura is a death reaper and we all know that Uzumaki are known for sealing. I definitely see Uzumaki being related to the Hyuga and there is defiantly strong connection because don't forget about the 8 trigram seal.

Anyway you deserve some +Rep from me

Well Sasuke fits the description of Amaterasu Kami very well and not only that but Itachi even used the Izanagi/ Izanagi to highlight Naruto and Sasuke's relationship so I doubt gender really matters

Thanks both of u for the rep

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

I have to disagree in the bolded part.

a) These gods were known for not having an definited gender (albeit, by folklore and pictorical antromorphism Izanami was known as a women, more specifically "the woman who invites"), these gods didn't have a physical gender. Plus, Izanagi and Izanami were not just wife and husband. They were also siblings (but they didn't do incest to give birth to their children).

b) I think Hamura really fits the pattern of Izanami. While Hagoromo is the one who seeks for changing the fate of Kaguya Ootsutsuki's wish, the RDS (the possibly incorporeal form of Hamura) would be sealing the fate of those who fell into its teeths.

a) Oh I see,if thanks for clearing this misconception then if what you said are true in regards to the gender then I guess that would make sense but this would be so wrong if 2 guys end up being gay and I know you said it doesn't have "Physical gender" but to me they seem like guys.

b) I guess that would fit all the pattern

 

[Mr Hiru]

a) Oh I see,if thanks for clearing this misconception then if what you said are true in regards to the gender then I guess that would make sense but this would be so wrong if 2 guys end up being gay and I know you said it doesn't have "Physical gender"

b) I guess that would fit all the pattern

Fair enough. I guess we agree in there o_o

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Thanx

Well Sasuke fits the description of Amaterasu Kami very well and not only that but Itachi even used the Izanagi/ Izanagi to highlight Naruto and Sasuke's relationship so I doubt gender really matters

Thanks both of u for the rep

Yeah I definitely see where you're going with this, Maybe Kishi really tend to make it different

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

Very good stuff as always man. I don't know much about izanagi and izanami but I can see where you are going with this. I also believe that it would be weird if hamura wasn't able to survive in the same way that hagoromo and even ashura and indra have. Finally what you said about obito was great and i'm hoping that something like that happens, it will make him an even better character imo if he follows through with it.

Thanks for letting me know about this, I enjoyed reading it and if I could, I would rep you again but I already gave you too much, it won't let me hahaha. I actually feel the need to rep you everytime lol you always have good insight.

 

[Legendary Saiyan]

Well thought, great amount of details, pointing out on how the names are based from. You sir.... are amazing... +Rep

 

[Trucktub]

I would be very okay if this were the case. Hamura HAS to make some kind of appearance. He wouldn't have even mentioned him, let alone shown him if he weren't involved somehow.

 

[ᖇ α z m α η]

Pretty nice read, although i think Obito will get a chance to redeem himself :/​