[Theory] Hagoromo and Hamura, Izanagi and Izanami, Sharingan and the DRS

[ANiMUS]

Hagoromo and Hamura, Izanagi and Izanami, Sharingan and the DRS​

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There have been a lot of threads on Hamura lately and I would hate to bore you guys with another one, but a really interesting thought popped into my head. Doesn't Hagoromo parallel with Izanagi? This idea was kinda inspired by some of the info I found on Sir Derp Obito's threads and even though I don't really agree with all of his theories, I don't think anyone does more research than him in his theories. So now that I have given him his props, we can continue

Izanagi and Izanami

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Nunoboko was said to have created the world (not ex nihilo but created the world by reshaping it since the world was already in existence before Hagoromo's birth) and the blade was based on Amenonuhoko, the heavenly jewelled spear used by Izanami and Izanagi:

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Izanagi was also the Father of the three gods. Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susano’o. The technique utilized by the Sage’s Eldest Son who inherited the Sage’s eyes and chakra.

So if Hagoromo is Izanagi then that would make his brother Izanami. Well Izanami died after giving birth to her son Kagutsuchi and her soul went to the Land of the Dead. While in the land of the dead Izanami partook of the food there and was transformed into one of the dead. This passage describes what Izanami describes what Izanami looked like after becoming one of the dead:

She was now a rotting form of flesh with maggots and foul creatures running over her ravaged body.

So in other words she looked horrendous. Much worse than this:

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Anyway u get my point that after dying Izanami/ Hamura would no longer looked like this

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But instead take on a much more ghastly appearance.

Sharingan and The Death Reaper Seal

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Next lets take a look at the most prominent clans of the two brothers, The Uzamaki and The Uchiha. The Uchiha are known for their doujutsu, the sharingan. The Sharingan is also called "Heaven's Eye" (天眼, Tengan) This name is very fitting for the doujustu because all of its technique revolve around Gods and beings found in Takamegahara (home of the gods or basically heaven)

Izanagi-God
Izanami-God
Amaterasu-God
Tsukuyomi-God
Susano'o- God
Kamuy (Ainu: カムイ, Japanese: 神威 or 神居, kamui) is the word for a spiritual or divine being
Kotoamatsukami (別天津神, literally means "distinguishing heavenly kami") is the collective name for the first gods which came into existence at the time of the creation of the universe

So what about the Uzamaki. Well their clan is known for their sealing techniques, namely the DRS. I shouldn't have to explain what connection that has to the Underworld, but what about the chakra chains. Has anyone heard of the chains of HELL? (coincidence that its used to subdue demons):snick:

Heaven and Hell

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My point basically is that I never really bought into the premise that two God like characters like Hagoromo and Hamura where incomplete beings that only represented Yang or Yin. I believe that they r both two god like beings

Hagoromo-The God of Heaven: hence the Sun and moon staff (the celestial bodies of the sky)

Hamura- The God of Hell: Hamura's staff is a Tetsuko
The Tetsukō (鉄 钩):
"Conquers evil spirits or dragon Akuryū (悪 竜). Like the ax and sword, it is used to cut away or dispel ignorance. Also Utilized in Japanese rituals of exorcism by shamans and priests. "

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In other words Hamura's staff is a tool used to get rid of spirits used by shamans and priests.

How this Ties in to the Current Story

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First, I believe that if Kaguya, Hagoromo, and even Ashura, and Indra could survive somehow after death, then I don't see why Hamura wouldn't be able to and if he is indeed the God of Hell then there is a good chance that the Reaper of the RDS is either his own form or a remnant of Hamura's power.

Now to my point, Hagoromo should be much stronger than his brother since Hagoromo had the Juubi and Hamura didn't. Any power up given by him to Naruto or Sasuke would be of little importance in comparison.

Kishimoto is dead set on using Obito. I don't think anyone can believe that he is truly dead, so I think that Obito will meet Hamura the God of Hell/ Reaper during his time of death and he will make a deal with Hamura. (a type of deal with the devil situation) Hamura will put off taking Obito's soul, but in return he must bring the soul of Kaguya back with him and Hamura will give Obito the power help defeat Kaguya. In exchange though Obito soul will be consumed by the Reaper, meaning he won't meet Rin or any of his friends in the afterlife (a fitting punishment for what he has done)

Well, this is my theory. Let me know what u think down below.

 

[Slowpoke]

interesting

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[Joon]

Why are people trying to prove Hamaru is alive? :| We have no proof.

 

[Angelic.]

very nice read!
interesting thing at the end about obito. he'd be doing what his sensei did.

 

[Uchicha Macho]

very good read bro

 

[ANiMUS]

very good read bro

Thanks

very nice read!
interesting thing at the end about obito. he'd be doing what his sensei did.

Makes for a good ending right

 

[Zealous Sparks]

Nice read man I liked the scenario you came up with for Obito's demise. I guess if that were to happen than the whole "Are you a Shinigami" scene with Madara when Obito first woke up would have foreshadowed it. Though I wouldn't be surprised if Obito was still able to survive somehow Lol

 

[ANiMUS]

Nice read man I liked the scenario you came up with for Obito's demise. I guess if that were to happen than the whole "Are you a Shinigami" scene with Madara when Obito first woke up would have foreshadowed it. Though I wouldn't be surprised if Obito was still able to survive somehow Lol

I really think Obito should die. Not because I hate him, in fact I kinda like him, but the dude really does need to die

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Nice theory,I like the implication of Hamura being the Reaper and him being involved in his mother's defeat.

 

[Zealous Sparks]

I really think Obito should die. Not because I hate him, in fact I kinda like him, but the dude really does need to die

Lol I want him to die as well. But Kishi has had so many chances already, yet hasn't taken them. If both Obito and Kabuto somehow survive and return to the Leaf Village completely forgiven, then I would...

 

[ANiMUS]

Nice theory,I like the implication of Hamura being the Reaper and him being involved in his mother's defeat.

Well, originally it took both Hagoromo and Hamura to defeat Kaguya, so I doubt just Ashura and Indra (each half of Hagoromo would be enough)

 

[ANiMUS]

Lol I want him to die as well. But Kishi has had so many chances already, yet hasn't taken them. If both Obito and Kabuto somehow survive and return to the Leaf Village completely forgiven, then I would...

Actually, Kabuto will survive because he supposedly has a place to go home to, but it wouldn't be right if Obito could go back to a normal life after every thing is done.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

I really think Obito should die. Not because I hate him, in fact I kinda like him, but the dude really does need to die

Yeah,he's really worn out his welcome at this point.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Actually, Kabuto will survive because he supposedly has a place to go home to, but it wouldn't be right if Obito could go back to a normal life after every thing is done.

Kabuto commited unspeakable acts as well,like mass slaughter for Edo sacrifices.He might survive but nobody will accept him either.

 

[ANiMUS]

Kabuto commited unspeakable acts as well,like mass slaughter for Edo sacrifices.He might survive but nobody will accept him either.

His brother will. Or the ppl at the orpanage, but no one else. Besides will they really know if he doesn't tell them?

 

[zeezzay]

very good theory but still Hurama is male and Izanmi is a female that doesnt make sense to me
"So if Hagoromo is Izanagi then that would make his brother Izanami. Well Izanami died after giving birth to her son "

 

[ssjsage]

Nice theory man. I agree that hamura is the reaper. I also think the sages sealing tools will help unsealed him from being the rds

 

[Conspirator.]

Pretty solid theory.

 

[ANiMUS]

very good theory but still Hurama is male and Izanmi is a female that doesnt make sense to me
"So if Hagoromo is Izanagi then that would make his brother Izanami. Well Izanami died after giving birth to her son "

Well, tbh when Kishimoto references mythology he tends to forget gender. A casing point would be Sasuke mirroring the Goddess Amaterasu-kami

 

[Angelic.]

His brother will. Or the ppl at the orpanage, but no one else. Besides will they really know if he doesn't tell them?

but they do know about kabuto working with tobito...remember anko? lol
not fair to say kabuto has a bro and obito doesnt have a place to belong...