GUYS! The Manga is WRONG!

[Owarij]

madara lived till nagato was born..i am sure he heard or had intel on hiruzen

Madara stayed away from human contact and definitely from Konoha... He also seemed to be staying in amagakure.. so no

 

[Cerox0]

Oh yeah, I forgot, you're the lord emperor of the manga, not Kishi. What does Kishi know about his own story anyway? :shrug:

Look here's the misconception.

As posted above me Kabuto said "Hashirama's power was considered a fairy tale"

Yes? If something is a fairy tale nobody will believe it yes?

Hurzen was the more current Hokage and these multiple people have witnessed his power but not Hashirama's. Yes?

Since they've seen it, it becomes reality. Because it is correct and true (Itachi)

A Fairy Tale is not reality, so it is not correct and True.

So Would the Reality of Hiruzen not overshadow the myth that is hashirama and therefore make Hiruzen seem like the strongest?

 

[Disquiet]

I just find it contradicting sometimes. The manga stated:

1. Hiruzen is the strongest Hokage.
AND
2. Hashirama is the strongest shinobi.

If anything they would all be in past tense if they already died. That's why I never say who I think is stronger, because I'm neutral because we haven't seen everything from Hashirama and Hiruzen.

I know that Madara didn't live long enough to make that statement, because he hasn't seen Hiruzen fight. This is just subject where I can't say who I think is stronger because we haven't seen Prime Hiruzen, and we haven't seen everything from Hashirama. Which is why I'm hoping to get a flashback from Madara, but I wouldn't mind seeing Prime Hiruzen. xd

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Right here. Although I still think threads like these are like Minato vs Itachi, because we have not seen prime Hiruzen or everything from Hashirama. That's why these threads should really stop, because we may never see Prime Hiruzen, or everything from Hashirama.

We cannot say the manga is wrong, because that would mean Kishi is wrong. How could the writer be wrong about the manga he writes? We can't. >.>

Lol, I didn't know Netsui-chan be in these threads tearing up. xd I like your points. And good job finding the page, only a 12 minute difference between it and your last post. rep+

 

[LegendaryAce]

Madara stayed away from human contact and definitely from Konoha... He also seemed to be staying in amagakure.. so no

so you're saying he didnt know anything at all? if someone goes into hiding dont you think they might want information on your home land :shrug:

 

[Cerox0]

Look here's the misconception.

As posted above me Kabuto said "Hashirama's power was considered a fairy tale"

Yes? If something is a fairy tale nobody will believe it yes?

Hurzen was the more current Hokage and these multiple people have witnessed his power but not Hashirama's. Yes?

Since they've seen it, it becomes reality. Because it is correct and true (Itachi)

A Fairy Tale is not reality, so it is not correct and True.

So Would the Reality of Hiruzen not overshadow the myth that is hashirama and therefore make Hiruzen seem like the strongest?

This^ should end this Hashi vs Hiruzen.

 

[NarutoLuffy313]

and madara didnt know hurizen whats your point lol

We can't say Madara didn't know Hiruzen xd.

All the people who existed in hiruzens prime.. The elders, oro , jiraya, kakashi's fathers

and note that the jounins at that time, and older people who said this would have lived long enough TO KNOW hashirama's and tobirama's strengths.. since their deaths weren't too far off..

Despite knowing the 2 former kages, they still considered hiruzen's strength to be stronger

Sakumo, Jiraiya, and Oro and the elders have never said Hiruzen was the strongest. If they did give me a scan where it shows them saying it.

 

[Enton]

Look here's the misconception.

As posted above me Kabuto said "Hashirama's power was considered a fairy tale"

Yes? If something is a fairy tale nobody will believe it yes?

Hurzen was the more current Hokage and these multiple people have witnessed his power but not Hashirama's. Yes?

Since they've seen it, it becomes reality. Because it is correct and true (Itachi)

A Fairy Tale is not reality, so it is not correct and True.

So Would the Reality of Hiruzen not overshadow the myth that is hashirama and therefore make Hiruzen seem like the strongest?

Sorry, I couldn't read it with all those assumptions in the way.

 

[Owarij]

We can't say Madara didn't know Hiruzen xd.



Sakumo, Jiraiya, and Oro and the elders have never said Hiruzen was the strongest. If they did give me a scan where it shows them saying it.

however according to the datbook back in his prime he was praised as that...

I was listing people who lived back then.,

 

[Cerox0]

Sorry, I couldn't read it with all those assumptions in the way.

If you cannot even Acknowledge that then I am done here. Have a nice day

 

[Netsui]

Lol, I didn't know Netsui-chan be in these threads tearing up. xd I like your points. And good job finding the page, only a 12 minute difference between it and your last post. rep+

Lol. xD I've been in a few of these threads since I find it somewhat pointless because we haven't seen much from Hashirama, and we haven't seen Prime Hiruzen. Thanks for the rep, Yama. :>

 

[Prince of Persia TTT]

Lol. I meant I would love to see Hashirama fight and use his techniques, not what we see from Madara. Madara and Hashirama are different, so I would like to see Hashirama use his own techniques.

And I mainly want to see Prime Hiruzen. Iruka didn't see Prime Hiruzen, nor Hashirama. Same with how Madara has not seen Prime Hiruzen. If we see those two things, then we might be able to have an actual discussion about these two.

Although I don't think we'll see Prime Hiruzen, because it would have to be from someone who cared for him, and actually saw his Prime.

And let me see... Is this the 3rd or 4th thread I saw about this today within 2 hours? xd

So this is what I am trying to say
but with all these scans people still argue that Hiruzen is the strongest
we havent seen Hashis prime nor Hirus prime but Hirus fanboys say sh@t like he is the God and all and he is above Hashi which is absolutely wrong and if anyone has anything from the manga to prove that unless then nobody is the God here except the S06P

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

It's not wrong. Kishi just changed his mind.

THIS and he corrected his mistake with the person he made it with, KABUTO

 

[wildstorm]

About Iruka saying "Hiruzen was strongest" was iruka's opinion,not Kishi's opinion.
If another character says " Hashirama was strongest",it doesnt mean that Kishi changed his mind.
If there is a difference of opinion among characters,it doesnt mean that author is trolling. For example, if Naruto says: sasuke's good, & A says sasuke's bad, does it mean kishi is doubtful whether sasuke's good or bad ? NO !!!!!!!! Understood ?

 

[Enton]

About Iruka saying "Hiruzen was strongest" was iruka's opinion,not Kishi's opinion.
If another character says " Hashirama was strongest",it doesnt mean that Kishi changed his mind.
If there is a difference of opinion among characters,it doesnt mean that author is trolling. For example, if Naruto says: sasuke's good, & A says sasuke's bad, does it mean kishi is doubtful whether sasuke's good or bad ? NO !!!!!!!! Understood ?

Iruka did not state it as his opinion. He was saying that other people called Hiruzen the strongest. Read the quote until you actually understand it.

 

[Universal Enlightenment]

Wow we've actually reached the point where people are actually saying the manga's wrong? :sy:

:rofl: this is is too much i'd rep 100x if i could :rofl:

 

[Netsui]

So this is what I am trying to say
but with all these scans people still argue that Hiruzen is the strongest
we havent seen Hashis prime nor Hirus prime but Hirus fanboys say sh@t like he is the God and all and he is above Hashi which is absolutely wrong and if anyone has anything from the manga to prove that unless then nobody is the God here except the S06P

Oh. xD I really want to see their primes. One thing I notice is how it's hard to have a discussion on NB in a lot of threads. I at least want this subject to be one where we can have a discussion.

 

[Disquiet]

Lol. xD I've been in a few of these threads since I find it somewhat pointless because we haven't seen much from Hashirama, and we haven't seen Prime Hiruzen. Thanks for the rep, Yama. :>

I agree up to a certain point. I mean sometimes when nothing is shown on characters, statements from the writer is the only thing to go on. As you already stated. No problem Netsui-chan.

 

[ItachiSan03]

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[wildstorm]

Iruka did not state it as his opinion. He was saying that other people called Hiruzen the strongest. Read the quote until you actually understand it.

I never said "PERSONAL" Opinion. An opinion can be based on what you hear from other people too, & not just by witnessing oneself.I'm saying that if iruka says something,it doesnt mean kishi said that.
& I feel you should first TRY (although it seems to be a difficult thing) to read what others are trying to say. Understand what's the real point behind the post, & then comment on it.

 

[Owarij]

I never said "PERSONAL" Opinion. An opinion can be based on what you hear from other people too, & not just by witnessing oneself.I'm saying that if iruka says something,it doesnt mean kishi said that.
& I feel you should first TRY (although it seems to be a difficult thing) to read what others are trying to say. Understand what's the real point behind the post, & then comment on it.

kishi literally said the exact same thing.. so yes ksihi said it..