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madara lived till nagato was born..i am sure he heard or had intel on hiruzen
Madara stayed away from human contact and definitely from Konoha... He also seemed to be staying in amagakure.. so no
madara lived till nagato was born..i am sure he heard or had intel on hiruzen
Oh yeah, I forgot, you're the lord emperor of the manga, not Kishi. What does Kishi know about his own story anyway? :shrug:
I just find it contradicting sometimes. The manga stated:
1. Hiruzen is the strongest Hokage.
AND
2. Hashirama is the strongest shinobi.
If anything they would all be in past tense if they already died. That's why I never say who I think is stronger, because I'm neutral because we haven't seen everything from Hashirama and Hiruzen.
I know that Madara didn't live long enough to make that statement, because he hasn't seen Hiruzen fight. This is just subject where I can't say who I think is stronger because we haven't seen Prime Hiruzen, and we haven't seen everything from Hashirama. Which is why I'm hoping to get a flashback from Madara, but I wouldn't mind seeing Prime Hiruzen. xd
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Right here. Although I still think threads like these are like Minato vs Itachi, because we have not seen prime Hiruzen or everything from Hashirama. That's why these threads should really stop, because we may never see Prime Hiruzen, or everything from Hashirama.
We cannot say the manga is wrong, because that would mean Kishi is wrong. How could the writer be wrong about the manga he writes? We can't. >.>
Madara stayed away from human contact and definitely from Konoha... He also seemed to be staying in amagakure.. so no
Look here's the misconception.
As posted above me Kabuto said "Hashirama's power was considered a fairy tale"
Yes? If something is a fairy tale nobody will believe it yes?
Hurzen was the more current Hokage and these multiple people have witnessed his power but not Hashirama's. Yes?
Since they've seen it, it becomes reality. Because it is correct and true (Itachi)
A Fairy Tale is not reality, so it is not correct and True.
So Would the Reality of Hiruzen not overshadow the myth that is hashirama and therefore make Hiruzen seem like the strongest?
and madara didnt know hurizen whats your point lol
All the people who existed in hiruzens prime.. The elders, oro , jiraya, kakashi's fathers
and note that the jounins at that time, and older people who said this would have lived long enough TO KNOW hashirama's and tobirama's strengths.. since their deaths weren't too far off..
Despite knowing the 2 former kages, they still considered hiruzen's strength to be stronger
Look here's the misconception.
As posted above me Kabuto said "Hashirama's power was considered a fairy tale"
Yes? If something is a fairy tale nobody will believe it yes?
Hurzen was the more current Hokage and these multiple people have witnessed his power but not Hashirama's. Yes?
Since they've seen it, it becomes reality. Because it is correct and true (Itachi)
A Fairy Tale is not reality, so it is not correct and True.
So Would the Reality of Hiruzen not overshadow the myth that is hashirama and therefore make Hiruzen seem like the strongest?
We can't say Madara didn't know Hiruzen xd.
Sakumo, Jiraiya, and Oro and the elders have never said Hiruzen was the strongest. If they did give me a scan where it shows them saying it.
Sorry, I couldn't read it with all those assumptions in the way.
Lol, I didn't know Netsui-chan be in these threads tearing up. xd I like your points. And good job finding the page, only a 12 minute difference between it and your last post.rep+
Lol. I meant I would love to see Hashirama fight and use his techniques, not what we see from Madara. Madara and Hashirama are different, so I would like to see Hashirama use his own techniques.
And I mainly want to see Prime Hiruzen. Iruka didn't see Prime Hiruzen, nor Hashirama. Same with how Madara has not seen Prime Hiruzen. If we see those two things, then we might be able to have an actual discussion about these two.
Although I don't think we'll see Prime Hiruzen, because it would have to be from someone who cared for him, and actually saw his Prime.
And let me see... Is this the 3rd or 4th thread I saw about this today within 2 hours? xd
It's not wrong. Kishi just changed his mind.
About Iruka saying "Hiruzen was strongest" was iruka's opinion,not Kishi's opinion.
If another character says " Hashirama was strongest",it doesnt mean that Kishi changed his mind.
If there is a difference of opinion among characters,it doesnt mean that author is trolling. For example, if Naruto says: sasuke's good, & A says sasuke's bad, does it mean kishi is doubtful whether sasuke's good or bad ? NO !!!!!!!! Understood ?
Wow we've actually reached the point where people are actually saying the manga's wrong? :sy:
So this is what I am trying to say
but with all these scans people still argue that Hiruzen is the strongest
we havent seen Hashis prime nor Hirus prime but Hirus fanboys say sh@t like he is the God and all and he is above Hashi which is absolutely wrong and if anyone has anything from the manga to prove that unless then nobody is the God here except the S06P![]()
Lol. xD I've been in a few of these threads since I find it somewhat pointless because we haven't seen much from Hashirama, and we haven't seen Prime Hiruzen.Thanks for the rep, Yama. :>
Iruka did not state it as his opinion. He was saying that other people called Hiruzen the strongest. Read the quote until you actually understand it.
I never said "PERSONAL" Opinion. An opinion can be based on what you hear from other people too, & not just by witnessing oneself.I'm saying that if iruka says something,it doesnt mean kishi said that.
& I feel you should first TRY (although it seems to be a difficult thing) to read what others are trying to say. Understand what's the real point behind the post, & then comment on it.