Greatest chapter of the Naruto manga, hands down
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Bad Touch Yakushi
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That's a fair thing to say yeah, I can see some potential with Kaguya for the first time with the crying bit and it's interesting to see moments of Madara, Kabuto & Tobirama all linked together as well as Kishi starting (But not really) to explain what the hell Black Zetsu IS.
I'm also totally fine with BZ basically giving Maddy corpse to Kabuto because even though it takes a feat away from my snakebae, it also just makes more sense narratively than just stumbling onto the remains of the strongest shinobi ever in some cave loool, he still made all those adjustments and made a prime Madara.
As a whole though, just because of the arc it is in- I personally can't call it the best chapter of the manga or that close to it aha but it wasn't a bad chapter at all.
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Seventh Sama
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the thing about this chapter is, what everyone thought was shattered. thats why most people are too pissed to see the good things about this chap.
many people failed to realize it brings up a broader view of things rather which they interpret as unnecessary or "milking the series". No one seems to know that this was kishi's plan and this is what he had planned which took 6 years since he first started the manga
many people failed to realize it brings up a broader view of things rather which they interpret as unnecessary or "milking the series". No one seems to know that this was kishi's plan and this is what he had planned which took 6 years since he first started the manga
ministerC4
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Seriously, it was just a good chapter. I had predicted most of this stuff, maybe not stricly in that way but I had nonetheless. It was more like a confirmation witht which we can move from theories to facts but other than that there wasn't the midnf*cking twist. At the ened of the day, such twists can only occur when there aren't any clues at all about something. For example, I would love to see how was Naruobase when Itachi first used Susanoo. That must have been a mindf*ck.
I really loved this chapter too. I took me by surprise that Madara did not create the Zetsus. I like revelation chapters. Even though I always knew Obito was Tobi I still enjoyed how it was revealed. After knowing how Madara played him I liked it when Obito stole the chance to becme the jinchuriki instead of Madara and I even enjoyed that Madara had a way out of it.
Even though this chapter tied things up it also left some more loose ends. BZ was watching all of the transmigrants and was at VOTE for Hashi's and Madara's fight. He changed the tablet which caused Madara to formulate his plan. Did Madara start the fight with Hashi just to get his DNA? I guess he used Kurama because he meant to kill Hashi and get his DNA that way since he knew he might not defeat Hashi on his own.
Those questions are the reasons I don't believe Madara is dead. I believe he has some questions still to answer, while BZ can record facts he can't know exactly what was in Madara's mind and heart. I think Kaguya just absorbed him like Madara absorbed the tree. Also why does BZ consider Kaguya his mother? Is there more to it or is it just because Kaguya created the Zetsus? Is it her will that is causing those feelings because she was so hurt by how her real sons betrayed her that she wanted BZ to replace them and her will imposed those feelings in him?
Once Kaguya was introduced I did think she would be the final villain but I did not see BZ as the master planner. I truly thought Madara created him. So as some things are answered we still need some new answers, which is how a good story should progress.
Even though this chapter tied things up it also left some more loose ends. BZ was watching all of the transmigrants and was at VOTE for Hashi's and Madara's fight. He changed the tablet which caused Madara to formulate his plan. Did Madara start the fight with Hashi just to get his DNA? I guess he used Kurama because he meant to kill Hashi and get his DNA that way since he knew he might not defeat Hashi on his own.
Those questions are the reasons I don't believe Madara is dead. I believe he has some questions still to answer, while BZ can record facts he can't know exactly what was in Madara's mind and heart. I think Kaguya just absorbed him like Madara absorbed the tree. Also why does BZ consider Kaguya his mother? Is there more to it or is it just because Kaguya created the Zetsus? Is it her will that is causing those feelings because she was so hurt by how her real sons betrayed her that she wanted BZ to replace them and her will imposed those feelings in him?
Once Kaguya was introduced I did think she would be the final villain but I did not see BZ as the master planner. I truly thought Madara created him. So as some things are answered we still need some new answers, which is how a good story should progress.
For me nothing was shattered. Zetsu being created by Kaguya was the hardest thing for me to accept, but that was revealed previously. The things discovered in this chapter were what makes me put it at the top.
I was completely the opposite. I didn't predict anything in regard to this chapter, that's the main reason I liked it so much
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narutoblitz
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Honestly I feel 681 was crap and that if Kishimoto is making Kaguya the FV he's essentially raising a middle finger to the fandom
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poopieface
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I just love how people have this notion that if you disagree with one aspect of a series or criticize some things, then you cannot be a true fan. It's so childish, though I suppose this is a series for children-ish.
I for one don't really dig the whole Black Zetsu Puppet Master thing, it almost completely undoes all this build-up for the past 200+ chapters that have asserted that Madara is the ultimate evil genius whose skills matched the God of Shinobi's. That's just under half the series. Only Naruto, Sasuke and maybe Obito (ad nauseam) have been more thoroughly characterized.
Still, I enjoy the series and wouldn't be on this forum if I didn't. Criticism is NOT the same as rejection. I wish more people understood this.
I for one don't really dig the whole Black Zetsu Puppet Master thing, it almost completely undoes all this build-up for the past 200+ chapters that have asserted that Madara is the ultimate evil genius whose skills matched the God of Shinobi's. That's just under half the series. Only Naruto, Sasuke and maybe Obito (ad nauseam) have been more thoroughly characterized.
Still, I enjoy the series and wouldn't be on this forum if I didn't. Criticism is NOT the same as rejection. I wish more people understood this.
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InvaderRaz
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go read something else then man... 2.584 posts since april, I bet they are all hateful
InvaderRaz
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Maybe that was the point? Build up Madara so that when the "true" mastermind reveals himself, you can't believe that this man(madara) was tricked, and start believing this new guy must be a baddass
poopieface
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I understand that that was the intention... But that was just plain misdirection on Kishi's part; he purposely withheld a s**t ton of information, and fed us wrong info (kaguya came to pick the fruit... now we find out she's actually part of the juubi...).
A meaningful twist is the kind of twist that is unexpected but not impossible from the information previously established. Mind you, I'm not being butthurt because I didn't see it coming. I was actually kind of pleased that Kishi caught me (and most fans) so off-guard when BZ stuck his hand through Madara. I like surprises.
But after some thought, I started thinking about Madara and Naruto and Sasuke's fight at VoTE, and how well that had been foreshadowed. It was very well done. Most epics have the main antagonist more or less well established by the beginning of the series, or at least he/she has been introduced as a character of note. But to come up with a main antagonist 600+ chapters into the series... it's like, who are you? Why do I care about you? If Kaguya dies or gets sealed I won't give a f**k, whereas if Madara had been defeated (or TnJ'd), it would carry a sort of tragic impact. Because we knew Madara well and we knew his intentions weren't entirely ****ed up.
I know there's still time for Kaguya to be fleshed out (not too long, though, I thought Kishi said it was ending within this year, maybe a little more into next year), but it's just so unnecessary... then what, add another puppet master? When does it end? When is it too much?
InvaderRaz
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fair enough... though when were the first mentions of Rikkudo and Kaguya? Way back in part 1? I imagine that SO6P was foreshadowed as a massively important character a long time ago. And the tale of Kaguya was at least mentioned in the earlier staged of Shippuden right?