[Discussion] Gotei 13 top 5

[kotoamatsukami]

Of all time

Yamamoto
Zaraki
Unohana
Byakuaya - estimation based on new powers
Aizen

Currently a captain.

Zaraki
Byakuya
Shinji - his Shikai is OP
Ukitake
Toushiro

U out toushiro weak self over kyoraku?

 

[TenzaZangetsu]

Shinji isn't about sh*t!, Bambietta knocked him out with one bomb..
Anyway, this is my entire shinigami hierarchy of those currently alive:-
(If Yamamoto were alive he'd be #1)

1:Zaraki Kenpachi
After being 'unshackled' and getting back to his initial power and more, he has now at least topped Unohana(who was #1 when Yamamoto died) even without access to his shikai moves, so among the gotei 13 he's definitely #1.If he gets bankai he might even surpass Yamamoto

2:Kurosaki Ichigo
I'm putting him at #2 for now coz he's at least near Kenpachis level, I doubt he can take out Bach right now but he should be able to force him to use vollstandig(or Yamamotos bankai), but after that maybe Ichigo will get near death and finally unlock his ultimate power and end Bach.Unless the Soul King already gave him some new power

3:Unohana Retsu
was the Kenpachi of the 1st generation Gotei 13

4:Kuchiki Byakuya
he fodderized a strong vollstandig with only shikai

5:Aizen Sousuke(without hougyoku)
I know Aizen is the big bad wolf but he's been sitting non stop in a chair for at least two years while everyone has been training hard to surpass him, the ones above are the only ones who pulled it off

6:Kurosaki Isshin
He once pushed base Aizen to his limit while still remaining fresh, but, one cut and he won't be able to sustain bankai and that'd get him beat by Aizen in bankai

7:Kyouraku Shunsui
he's the new sou taicho

8:Ukitake Juushiro
would be = Shunsui if it wasn't for sickness

9:Shihoin Yoruichi
I think she edges Kisuke somehow

10:Urahara Kisuke
without science and gadgets

11:Hirako Shinji
this is me being polite because he's the top vizard and his bankai is unknown, otherwise he'd be below Rukia and Renji

12:Abarai Renji
the rest of the shinigami besides Rukia would be annihilated by Mask

13:Kuchiki Rukia
deadly bankai

14:Kensei
soldier-like toughness

15:Rose
lovely bankai

16:Love
vizard

17:Kurotsuchi Mayuri
without scientific stuff

18:Soi Fon
has shunko

19:Hitsugaya Toushiro
not yet(mada mada)

20:Komamura Sajin(normal wolf)
but in human form he's near Renji and Rukia

21:Madarame Ikkaku
has bankai

I can't grade Kuukaku Shiba

PS:Uryu is at least Byakuyas level and Grimmjow possibly has a 'segunda etapa' r even a 3rd release..

 

[kyubbi sagemode]

In no order it's Yammamoto, kenpachi, byakuya, shunsui and unohana

 

[Uchiha Rafael]

1. Yamamoto
1.5. Aizen
2. Kyouraku
3. Zaraki
4. Unohana
4.5 Gin
5. Ukitake
6. Byakuya
7. Shinji
8. Toshiro
9. Soifon
9.5 Tosen
10. Kensei
12. Kommamura
13. Rose

I like it a lot my friend

 

[Uchiha Rafael]

Shinji isn't about sh*t!, Bambietta knocked him out with one bomb..
Anyway, this is my entire shinigami hierarchy of those currently alive:-
(If Yamamoto were alive he'd be #1)

1:Zaraki Kenpachi
After being 'unshackled' and getting back to his initial power and more, he has now at least topped Unohana(who was #1 when Yamamoto died) even without access to his shikai moves, so among the gotei 13 he's definitely #1.If he gets bankai he might even surpass Yamamoto

2:Kurosaki Ichigo
I'm putting him at #2 for now coz he's at least near Kenpachis level, I doubt he can take out Bach right now but he should be able to force him to use vollstandig(or Yamamotos bankai), but after that maybe Ichigo will get near death and finally unlock his ultimate power and end Bach.Unless the Soul King already gave him some new power

3:Unohana Retsu
was the Kenpachi of the 1st generation Gotei 13

4:Kuchiki Byakuya
he fodderized a strong vollstandig with only shikai

5:Aizen Sousuke(without hougyoku)
I know Aizen is the big bad wolf but he's been sitting non stop in a chair for at least two years while everyone has been training hard to surpass him, the ones above are the only ones who pulled it off

6:Kurosaki Isshin
He once pushed base Aizen to his limit while still remaining fresh, but, one cut and he won't be able to sustain bankai and that'd get him beat by Aizen in bankai

7:Kyouraku Shunsui
he's the new sou taicho

8:Ukitake Juushiro
would be = Shunsui if it wasn't for sickness

9:Shihoin Yoruichi
I think she edges Kisuke somehow

10:Urahara Kisuke
without science and gadgets

11:Hirako Shinji
this is me being polite because he's the top vizard and his bankai is unknown, otherwise he'd be below Rukia and Renji

12:Abarai Renji
the rest of the shinigami besides Rukia would be annihilated by Mask

13:Kuchiki Rukia
deadly bankai

14:Kensei
soldier-like toughness

15:Rose
lovely bankai

16:Love
vizard

17:Kurotsuchi Mayuri
without scientific stuff

18:Soi Fon
has shunko

19:Hitsugaya Toushiro
not yet(mada mada)

20:Komamura Sajin(normal wolf)
but in human form he's near Renji and Rukia

21:Madarame Ikkaku
has bankai

I can't grade Kuukaku Shiba

PS:Uryu is at least Byakuyas level and Grimmjow possibly has a 'segunda etapa' r even a 3rd release..

Never mind i like this one even more good job sir

 

[Dãrth1]

Shinji isn't about sh*t!, Bambietta knocked him out with one bomb..
Anyway, this is my entire shinigami hierarchy of those currently alive:-
(If Yamamoto were alive he'd be #1)

1:Zaraki Kenpachi
After being 'unshackled' and getting back to his initial power and more, he has now at least topped Unohana(who was #1 when Yamamoto died) even without access to his shikai moves, so among the gotei 13 he's definitely #1.If he gets bankai he might even surpass Yamamoto

2:Kurosaki Ichigo
I'm putting him at #2 for now coz he's at least near Kenpachis level, I doubt he can take out Bach right now but he should be able to force him to use vollstandig(or Yamamotos bankai), but after that maybe Ichigo will get near death and finally unlock his ultimate power and end Bach.Unless the Soul King already gave him some new power

3:Unohana Retsu
was the Kenpachi of the 1st generation Gotei 13

4:Kuchiki Byakuya
he fodderized a strong vollstandig with only shikai

5:Aizen Sousuke(without hougyoku)
I know Aizen is the big bad wolf but he's been sitting non stop in a chair for at least two years while everyone has been training hard to surpass him, the ones above are the only ones who pulled it off

6:Kurosaki Isshin
He once pushed base Aizen to his limit while still remaining fresh, but, one cut and he won't be able to sustain bankai and that'd get him beat by Aizen in bankai

7:Kyouraku Shunsui
he's the new sou taicho

8:Ukitake Juushiro
would be = Shunsui if it wasn't for sickness

9:Shihoin Yoruichi
I think she edges Kisuke somehow

10:Urahara Kisuke
without science and gadgets

11:Hirako Shinji
this is me being polite because he's the top vizard and his bankai is unknown, otherwise he'd be below Rukia and Renji

12:Abarai Renji
the rest of the shinigami besides Rukia would be annihilated by Mask

13:Kuchiki Rukia
deadly bankai

14:Kensei
soldier-like toughness

15:Rose
lovely bankai

16:Love
vizard

17:Kurotsuchi Mayuri
without scientific stuff

18:Soi Fon
has shunko

19:Hitsugaya Toushiro
not yet(mada mada)

20:Komamura Sajin(normal wolf)
but in human form he's near Renji and Rukia

21:Madarame Ikkaku
has bankai

I can't grade Kuukaku Shiba

PS:Uryu is at least Byakuyas level and Grimmjow possibly has a 'segunda etapa' r even a 3rd release..

Perfect, just, perfect, the topic is over

 

[Forbidden Tale]

All time:
1. Yamamoto
2. Zaraki
3. Urahara
4. Isshin
5. Shinigami Aizen

Currently:
1. Zaraki
2. Unohana
3. Renji
4. Hirako
5. Shunsui/Ukitake
Notes:
~Byakuya could be stronger, but we still didn't see him fighting.

 

[Gaara Of The Death]

All these Kenpachi wankers are giving me a rash.

No current Kenpachi or Byakuya.

Current:

1.Shunsui
2.Unohana
3.Shinji
4.Jushiro
5.Kenpachi-pre training.

All-time:

1.Aizen

2.Yama

3.Shunsui

4.Unohana

5.Shinji



In my list there is no Uarhara, Isshin and Yorichi I left the out. ​

 

[minato93]

Shinji isn't about sh*t!, Bambietta knocked him out with one bomb..
Anyway, this is my entire shinigami hierarchy of those currently alive:-
(If Yamamoto were alive he'd be #1)

1:Zaraki Kenpachi
After being 'unshackled' and getting back to his initial power and more, he has now at least topped Unohana(who was #1 when Yamamoto died) even without access to his shikai moves, so among the gotei 13 he's definitely #1.If he gets bankai he might even surpass Yamamoto

2:Kurosaki Ichigo
I'm putting him at #2 for now coz he's at least near Kenpachis level, I doubt he can take out Bach right now but he should be able to force him to use vollstandig(or Yamamotos bankai), but after that maybe Ichigo will get near death and finally unlock his ultimate power and end Bach.Unless the Soul King already gave him some new power

3:Unohana Retsu
was the Kenpachi of the 1st generation Gotei 13

4:Kuchiki Byakuya
he fodderized a strong vollstandig with only shikai

5:Aizen Sousuke(without hougyoku)
I know Aizen is the big bad wolf but he's been sitting non stop in a chair for at least two years while everyone has been training hard to surpass him, the ones above are the only ones who pulled it off

6:Kurosaki Isshin
He once pushed base Aizen to his limit while still remaining fresh, but, one cut and he won't be able to sustain bankai and that'd get him beat by Aizen in bankai

7:Kyouraku Shunsui
he's the new sou taicho

8:Ukitake Juushiro
would be = Shunsui if it wasn't for sickness

9:Shihoin Yoruichi
I think she edges Kisuke somehow

10:Urahara Kisuke
without science and gadgets

11:Hirako Shinji
this is me being polite because he's the top vizard and his bankai is unknown, otherwise he'd be below Rukia and Renji

12:Abarai Renji
the rest of the shinigami besides Rukia would be annihilated by Mask

13:Kuchiki Rukia
deadly bankai

14:Kensei
soldier-like toughness

15:Rose
lovely bankai

16:Love
vizard

17:Kurotsuchi Mayuri
without scientific stuff

18:Soi Fon
has shunko

19:Hitsugaya Toushiro
not yet(mada mada)

20:Komamura Sajin(normal wolf)
but in human form he's near Renji and Rukia

21:Madarame Ikkaku
has bankai

I can't grade Kuukaku Shiba

PS:Uryu is at least Byakuyas level and Grimmjow possibly has a 'segunda etapa' r even a 3rd release..

Byakuya is 4 spots too high.
Shunsui has always been the 2nd strongest after Yama. What has Byakuya done that puts him above Shunsui? Shunsui will probably be 3rd strongest in the Gotei 13 after Zaraki, unless Shunsui bankai is incredibly haxed--making him the strongest.
Aizen sitting in a chair for this long and fighting would fodderize Byakuya. LMAO.
Byakuya is probably above Isshin.

Not just you, but people are overrating byakuya like hell; he's stronger and he's one of the strongest captains but he's not above Shunsui Zaraki Unohana or Aizen.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Byakuya is 4 spots too high.
Shunsui has always been the 2nd strongest after Yama. What has Byakuya done that puts him above Shunsui? Shunsui will probably be 3rd strongest in the Gotei 13 after Zaraki, unless Shunsui bankai is incredibly haxed--making him the strongest.
Aizen sitting in a chair for this long and fighting would fodderize Byakuya. LMAO.
Byakuya is probably above Isshin.

Not just you, but people are overrating byakuya like hell; he's stronger and he's one of the strongest captains but he's not above Shunsui Zaraki Unohana or Aizen.

You crazy with his shikai being as strong as his old bankai just imagin his bankai now yea shunsui will have to have something really haxed for his bankai inorder to beat Byakuya..but shikai wise Byakuya seems stronger to me.

The real question is what has kyoraku done to make you think he's stronger than Byakuya now?

 

[Summer]

my current top five are in this order.
1-ichigo
2-kenpachi
3-kirinji
4-kisuke
5-shunsui/tessai i put tessai here because of feats he can use forbidden rank kido no one else has shown this power of stopping time and teleporting. he was renowned by being the kido corps commander.

also guys when making gotei lists stick to current you can't consider aizen gin and tosen gotei anymore there villain class now.
if you say overall character ranking then it makes sense.

 

[minato93]

You crazy with his shikai being as strong as his old bankai just imagin his bankai now yea shunsui will have to have something really haxed for his bankai inorder to beat Byakuya..but shikai wise Byakuya seems stronger to me.

The real question is what has kyoraku done to make you think he's stronger than Byakuya now?

LMAO.
That's not the reaal question. Byakuya is the one that has to prove this that he's stronger than Shunsui.
Shikai byakuya vs. shikai Shunsui, Shunsui is stronger. Even with Byakuya's new shikai.
You're making assumptions over known facts. Byakuya is the one who needs to prove that he's superior to Shunsui. He hasn't proven that.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

LMAO.
That's not the reaal question. Byakuya is the one that has to prove this that he's stronger than Shunsui.
Shikai byakuya vs. shikai Shunsui, Shunsui is stronger. Even with Byakuya's new shikai.
You're making assumptions over known facts. Byakuya is the one who needs to prove that he's superior to Shunsui. He hasn't proven that.

Um no shikai Byakuya now is stronger than shikai shunsui cuz we all know his shikai don't work well against long range opponents as we seen in his fight with starrk lol he had to beat starrk when starrk won't useing any if his real power smh.

 

[minato93]

Um no shikai Byakuya now is stronger than shikai shunsui cuz we all know his shikai don't work well against long range opponents as we seen in his fight with starrk lol he had to beat starrk when starrk won't useing any if his real power smh.

Are you not underestimating Shunsui's speed?
As for Byakuya's shikai, it doesn't work if his opponent invades his safe zone. A tactician like Shunsui will realize that very quickly, assuming he hasn't already.

As for Starks, Shunsui was just as lazy. His Zanpakuto is very moody and complex. He wasn't using his full power either.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Are you not underestimating Shunsui's speed?
As for Byakuya's shikai, it doesn't work if his opponent invades his safe zone. A tactician like Shunsui will realize that very quickly, assuming he hasn't already.

As for Starks, Shunsui was just as lazy. His Zanpakuto is very moody and complex. He wasn't using his full power either.

His speed is not a factor to Byakuya who is most likely faster now aswell but anyway....safe zone is not something you can find out unless he tells you about it an knowing Byakuya can follow his movements he can easily bring petals inside the safe zone area also his shikai is what his bankai used to be so how does shunsui escape gokei senbonzakura with just his shikai abilities?

Naw shunsui won't lazy once stark got serious he got serious an like it matters if stark had his shikai full power he still had to be close rage inorder for it to work he would not had time to step on a shadow or play color games while being attacked by all thoes ceros..it would be the same way with Byakuya he won't have time for that with endless blades comeing at him at a fast rate.

 

[minato93]

His speed is not a factor to Byakuya who is most likely faster now aswell but anyway....safe zone is not something you can find out unless he tells you about it an knowing Byakuya can follow his movements he can easily bring petals inside the safe zone area also his shikai is what his bankai used to be so how does shunsui escape gokei senbonzakura with just his shikai abilities?

Naw shunsui won't lazy once stark got serious he got serious an like it matters if stark had his shikai full power he still had to be close rage inorder for it to work he would not had time to step on a shadow or play color games while being attacked by all thoes ceros..it would be the same way with Byakuya he won't have time for that with endless blades coming at him at a fast rate.

Until he has a speed feat that proves it, nope.
Shunsui has shown himself to be very cunning and complex; what everyone else does (going away from his blades) isn't something Shunsui will do.
Did you forget what Tsukishima did when Byakuya brought his blades into the safe zone, disrupted his concentration and then what happened?
Tsukishima was going in and out of byakuyas safezone like child's play. Shunsui is even faster than him. In order for Gokei to work, you have to trap your opponent from all angles. What makes you think Shunsui can be trapped in a one-on-one fight with nothing diverting his attention?

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Until he has a speed feat that proves it, nope.
Shunsui has shown himself to be very cunning and complex; what everyone else does (going away from his blades) isn't something Shunsui will do.
Did you forget what Tsukishima did when Byakuya brought his blades into the safe zone, disrupted his concentration and then what happened?
Tsukishima was going in and out of byakuyas safezone like child's play. Shunsui is even faster than him. In order for Gokei to work, you have to trap your opponent from all angles. What makes you think Shunsui can be trapped in a one-on-one fight with nothing diverting his attention?

Byakuya has the ability to make a clone of hisself with his speed thats how fast he is an I'm sure he got faster but ok let's wait....running is not something kyoraku will do well he retreated alot against starrk an like I said if he enters the safe zone Byakuya can just bring petals in there..

Tsukishima knew everything about Byakuya an his attack an all their weaknesses an where the attacks were coming from so yea it was nothing for him to dodge senbonzakura on the other hand kyoraku do not know all this information making it harder to do what tsukishima did plus Byakuya can grab his petals an hold them so once kyoraku does come in close he will be running into a trap.

Nothing has to be diverting his attention just like how nothing was diverting the 5 espada attention an of all the espada he has the fastest sonido an he still got caught once the petals come around you it's to late to move they surround you to fast he won't be expecting it.

 

[Souji]

Kenpachi over Yama?

No. Not yet, at least.

Kenpachi may mean "strongest shinigami", but Yama himself stated that no shinigami born in a thousand years was stronger than him. That's why he was Captain Commander, not just another Captain.

I consider the Captain Commander and Captain levels to be distinct.

Besides, I think Yama could beat Kenpachi low-mid diff, regardless of his current powerups U_U

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Kenpachi over Yama?

No. Not yet, at least.

Kenpachi may mean "strongest shinigami", but Yama himself stated that no shinigami born in a thousand years was stronger than him. That's why he was Captain Commander, not just another Captain.

I consider the Captain Commander and Captain levels to be distinct.

Besides, I think Yama could beat Kenpachi low-mid diff, regardless of his current powerups U_U

Kenpachi don't mean the strongest shinigami it means the one who loves to fight the most/the one who can take the most cuts an never go down.

 

[minato93]

Byakuya has the ability to make a clone of hisself with his speed thats how fast he is an I'm sure he got faster but ok let's wait....running is not something kyoraku will do well he retreated alot against starrk an like I said if he enters the safe zone Byakuya can just bring petals in there..

Tsukishima knew everything about Byakuya an his attack an all their weaknesses an where the attacks were coming from so yea it was nothing for him to dodge senbonzakura on the other hand kyoraku do not know all this information making it harder to do what tsukishima did plus Byakuya can grab his petals an hold them so once kyoraku does come in close he will be running into a trap.

Nothing has to be diverting his attention just like how nothing was diverting the 5 espada attention an of all the espada he has the fastest sonido an he still got caught once the petals come around you it's to late to move they surround you to fast he won't be expecting it.

You mean the 8th espanda and no he was not the fastest espanda (sonido). Ulquiorra and Starks were faster then him by a MILE!!!!!!!!
Grimmjow and Hallibel have the speed feats to argue and win the argument that their faster.

Here's the thing I think people forget about speed feats. There's a difference between overall speed and speed techniques. Cloning/after-images is a speed technique, it's not indicative of overall speed. The fastest characters in Bleach: Aizen, Ichigo, Yama, Shunsui, Starks, Ulquiorra, all have amazing speed feats; but no cloning/after-image techniques. Why? Cloning/after-image is more of a technique, bot indicting overall speed.

Kenpachi over Yama?

No. Not yet, at least.

Kenpachi may mean "strongest shinigami", but Yama himself stated that no shinigami born in a thousand years was stronger than him. That's why he was Captain Commander, not just another Captain.

I consider the Captain Commander and Captain levels to be distinct.

Besides, I think Yama could beat Kenpachi low-mid diff, regardless of his current powerups U_U

Yama could do that to almost everybody. Did you see his bankai? I'm starting to feel like there was so many plot-holes, Yama should have gone bankai against Aizen when he had him cornered. But I guess Wonderwise would have interfered regardless. Yama just stood there against Juha Bach, Bach didn't speed blitz him. He just accepted his death.