Goku with no hands vs the HST

[Wolfus]

I don't want to argue the FTL thing mainly, as I usually avoid that matter, it's the same thing as explaining the energy equivalence rule like ki= or does not = chakra. Alright, we say goku is FTl? But by what margin? And piccolo stated ki blasts are FTL? :/

I can send you a calculation, if you want to.

By waht margin will depend on the calculation used. If we consider the power levels(until the point in which they were stated), and then apply the saiyan multipliers, we'll see he is much more faster tahn light, 10, maybe 100 times. If we don't, he would still be 2 times FTL.

And about piccolo, he didn't state it. But he sent a ki blast to the moon, and the moon exploded in the same panel, so it took about 1-2 seconds for the blast to get there, and it takes light 1.28 seconds.

 

[Grimreaper8019]

Except for the logias(whcih people are saying that can't be harmed), HST has nothing on goku. He is too fast for them, they're lucky if they can see a FTL guy moving.
No one in bleach nor naruto achieve continent buster lvl, and goku has planet lvl durability. They're not going to harm him. As for other atacks like soul ripping, he can just dodge.

Goku isn't FTL. XD

Combination of attacks from a whole verse + hax + intangible characters and Goku wins?

 

[Wolfus]

Goku isn't FTL. XD

Combination of attacks from a whole verse + hax + intangible characters and Goku wins?

Goku is FTL.(Read discussion above)

And that combination, that can't even reach continent buster lvl, won't harm him to win.

 

[Grimreaper8019]

Goku is FTL.(Read discussion above)

And that combination, that can't even reach continent buster lvl, won't harm him to win.

Goku isn't FTL.

Lol that combo can't reach continent level? DC isn't everything first off. Combo of characters from a whole verse > one person with no hands. The specific combo at least.

 

[Wolfus]

Goku isn't FTL.

Lol that combo can't reach continent level? DC isn't everything first off. Combo of characters from a whole verse > one person with no hands. The specific combo at least.

Goku is FTL. Unless you can disprove the arguments used by those who defend this idea, your opinion is irrelevant and not to be considered in this discussion.

Even if it reaches.Goku can dodge most atacks. The special atacks(soul rip, yama's bankai, etc) can easily be dodged by goku. The others can be tanked, as goku has planet durability.

 

[Grimreaper8019]

Goku is FTL. Unless you can disprove the arguments used by those who defend this idea, your opinion is irrelevant and not to be considered in this discussion.

Even if it reaches.Goku can dodge most atacks. The special atacks(soul rip, yama's bankai, etc) can easily be dodged by goku. The others can be tanked, as goku has planet durability.

No, prove to me Goku is FTL. XD I'd love to see it, to be honest.

Goku can dodge all attacks at once, hmm? From a whole verse? Even when some attacks aren't things that can even be dodged? And I guess Goku's just going to dodge the whole time and not fight back?

Not that it matters, he isn't "dodging" everything. This isn't some kind of godmodded roleplay, this is 3 fictional verses vs one character with no hands, cutting his arsenal down to low level ass attacks. SO6P created a moon. Depending on the size, that's around nigh planet level if not higher.

Oh, but the combo isn't able to reach continent level. Lmao.

If all the characters capable of binding abilities used those binding abilities at once, and Goku still got out, he wouldn't make it anywhere in time. Genjutsu isn't a factor, but eye techniques still are (i.e.Izanagi is reality warping) Especially in Rinnegan's case. Rasenshuriken causes damage to the cells, and you can't just say "he dodges it" because with the whole 3 verses open it leaves tons of situations open. There's plenty of moves that'd **** Goku up in a combo.

How's Goku going to win with no hands and logia characters along with 3 verses, meaning all of the characters in each series? You're overrating Goku.

 

[Wolfus]

No, prove to me Goku is FTL. XD I'd love to see it, to be honest.

Goku can dodge all attacks at once, hmm? From a whole verse? Even when some attacks aren't things that can even be dodged? And I guess Goku's just going to dodge the whole time and not fight back?

Not that it matters, he isn't "dodging" everything. This isn't some kind of godmodded roleplay, this is 3 fictional verses vs one character with no hands, cutting his arsenal down to low level ass attacks. SO6P created a moon. Depending on the size, that's around nigh planet level if not higher.

Oh, but the combo isn't able to reach continent level. Lmao.

If all the characters capable of binding abilities used those binding abilities at once, and Goku still got out, he wouldn't make it anywhere in time. Genjutsu isn't a factor, but eye techniques still are (i.e.Izanagi is reality warping) Especially in Rinnegan's case. Rasenshuriken causes damage to the cells, and you can't just say "he dodges it" because with the whole 3 verses open it leaves tons of situations open. There's plenty of moves that'd **** Goku up in a combo.

How's Goku going to win with no hands and logia characters along with 3 verses, meaning all of the characters in each series? You're overrating Goku.

See discussions above, and the links. Read eveyrthing in the links, too, EVERYTHING.
I'm not gonna type stuff again when you can just see the above.

Yeah, he is dodging everything. He is FTL, and these atacks from these universes are not. He can easily dodge them. Or he can just IT(and please don't say he needs his hand to focus)
Oh yeah, I forgot about the sage. Still, he has planet durability and the speed to dodge the atacks.

Goku has IT and FTL reactions and speeds. I'm pretty sure he can make in time.
As I explained, most chars can be taken down with one kick(discussions above), and still, he can use kamehameha and ki blasts with his leg(scans above).

The only thing he can't harm are logias, but they can't harm him either. I'm not overrating goku at all. The galaxy buster dude is not gonna get taken down by these people.
Oh, and since he can make galaxy buster lvl KI blasts and endure the pressure made by releasing these ki blasts(see death battle explanation) it's debatable that he may evenhave galaxy lvl durability(the evidence being tanking bills' atack)

 

[Grimreaper8019]

See discussions above, and the links. Read eveyrthing in the links, too, EVERYTHING.
I'm not gonna type stuff again when you can just see the above.

No, prove it. Lol I'd love you to explain it to me yourself.

Yeah, he is dodging everything. He is FTL, and these atacks from these universes are not. He can easily dodge them. Or he can just IT(and please don't say he needs his hand to focus)

He isn't FTL, and he won't be moving freely unless he tries to run away like a lil *****.

Oh yeah, I forgot about the sage. Still, he has planet durability and the speed to dodge the atacks.

Sage has Creation of All Things and 3 universes backing him up...

Goku has IT and FTL reactions and speeds. I'm pretty sure he can make in time.

Make it away from the battle so he doesn't get mollywhopped? He isn't dodging everyone unless he runs away.

As I explained, most chars can be taken down with one kick(discussions above), and still, he can use kamehameha and ki blasts with his leg(scans above).

He isn't killing everyone with that. Lol

The only thing he can't harm are logias, but they can't harm him either. I'm not overrating goku at all. The galaxy buster dude is not gonna get taken down by these people.

They're part of this battle. If he can't take them out then he doesn't win, and even if you were right about them not being able to harm him (not that you are) we're talking about 3 universes.

Oh, and since he can make galaxy buster lvl KI blasts and endure the pressure made by releasing these ki blasts(see death battle explanation) it's debatable that he may evenhave galaxy lvl durability(the evidence being tanking bills' atack)

No.

 

[Wolfus]

No, prove it. Lol I'd love you to explain it to me yourself.



He isn't FTL, and he won't be moving freely unless he tries to run away like a lil *****.



Sage has Creation of All Things and 3 universes backing him up...



Make it away from the battle so he doesn't get mollywhopped? He isn't dodging everyone unless he runs away.



He isn't killing everyone with that. Lol



They're part of this battle. If he can't take them out then he doesn't win, and even if you were right about them not being able to harm him (not that you are) we're talking about 3 universes.



No.

1- I posted it in this very thread. But since you deny facts, let's go.
Goku is FTL. Battles in namek, escaping frieza's imprisonment light ball, as well as calculations can prove that.

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See this, the speed part(remove the espace between comic and vine)

Also, this:

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Also, calculations based on goku's speed in the saiyan saga(crossing the snake way) shows a FTL result.

There were the ki blasts(proven to be almost at light speed with piccolo).
And you're forgeting goku's speed at the snake way, which was used many times(including by deathbattle, who ddin't even consider goku's powers up in base form).

Piccolo sent a ki blast to the moon, and the moon exploded in the same panel, so it took about 1-2 seconds for the blast to get there, and it takes light 1.28 seconds, and that was before vegeta arrived.

2/4- Yeah, he is FTL. He can move enough to dodge the atacks. He won't run, simply evade. Also, he has IT. He can just IT to another place when the atacks are close, or IT to someone's back and take them out.

3- Not gonna help the sage, and these 3 universe are not even close to dbz

5-The energy output of the dbz chars is nothing more than their own energy. Which means that they could use the same energy to kick with equal "force" as his ki blasts(as to make a force, one must use some amount of energy W=F.D.cosa)
His kicks can take most people down.

Also, do they have planet lvl durability? if they don't, then yeah, goku is gonna take them down(except for logias)

6- Then it's a stalemate, that is if they can survive without a planet. And those 3 universes combined are not gonna take him down.

7- Yes. He kept up with bills, who was a galaxy buster. Considering it's dbz, and everything is jsut raw power, abc logic can be used. Since 80% ssj god goku is close to 70% bills, then goku is likely to be a galaxy buster.
Your red no is not gonna change that.

 

[Grimreaper8019]

1- I posted it in this very thread. But since you deny facts, let's go.
Goku is FTL. Battles in namek, escaping frieza's imprisonment light ball, as well as calculations can prove that.

You must be registered for see links

vine.com/dragon-balls/4055-46445/forums/absolue-guide-to-dragon-ball-feats-1501713/

See this, the speed part(remove the espace between comic and vine)

Also, this:

You must be registered for see links

vine.com/goku/4005-19765/forums/goku-is-faster-than-light-1464475/
Also, calculations based on goku's speed in the saiyan saga(crossing the snake way) shows a FTL result.

You can't explain it yourself because you're using calculations that seem more legit than they are.

Lmao, he said "“All DBZ warriors have, at the beginning of DBZ, energy beams faster than light”

I love how DBZ fans will go on about how inconsistent things are then support theories such as "X is light speed at the beginning"(not that these are correct). Same people go on about how it's a fictional world and then say the blasts are lights that move at LS, so dodging them makes you FTL. But we aren't going to use that logic for any verse other than DBZ because...because...**** you Yout- Grimreaper8019.

There were the ki blasts(proven to be almost at light speed with piccolo).

False proof.

And you're forgeting goku's speed at the snake way, which was used many times(including by deathbattle, who ddin't even consider goku's powers up in base form).

Running across snake way doesn't make him FTL.

Piccolo sent a ki blast to the moon, and the moon exploded in the same panel, so it took about 1-2 seconds for the blast to get there, and it takes light 1.28 seconds, and that was before vegeta arrived.

Don't go on about inconsistency then count this as legit proof that all after is FTL. Even worse, you're trying to judge speed by how fast the panels go by. Lol They aren't animations, and the anime is non canon.

Not to mention since it's a fictional verse, we have to take the realism of force, distance, etc. But you guys never want to do that because that means your calculations are pretty much wasted. Lol

2/4- Yeah, he is FTL. He can move enough to dodge the atacks. He won't run, simply evade. Also, he has IT. He can just IT to another place when the atacks are close, or IT to someone's back and take them out.

No. He'll need to run. 3 verses are coming at him along with their high tiers and logia users who he can't hit. Even if he ITs, that'll be running away unless he ITs only a couple of steps away (meaning he's going to get merked anyways with people of the DC from all these verses).

3- Not gonna help the sage, and these 3 universe are not even close to dbz

No one's talking about DBZ, we're talking about no handed Goku vs all 3 universes as a whole including high tiers and intangible characters. You still aren't explaining how Goku is winning.

5-The energy output of the dbz chars is nothing more than their own energy. Which means that they could use the same energy to kick with equal "force" as his ki blasts(as to make a force, one must use some amount of energy W=F.D.cosa)
His kicks can take most people down.

No...

Just because a kamehameha destroys X a kick can destroy it too? Where are you making up this bullshit?

Also, do they have planet lvl durability? if they don't, then yeah, goku is gonna take them down(except for logias)

1. Goku's going to shoot a planet busting Kamehameha out his feet, then? And him not being able to hurt the logia would mean he doesn't win.

6- Then it's a stalemate, that is if they can survive without a planet. And those 3 universes combined are not gonna take him down.

You still aren't understanding this.

7- Yes. He kept up with bills, who was a galaxy buster. Considering it's dbz, and everything is jsut raw power, abc logic can be used. Since 80% ssj god goku is close to 70% bills, then goku is likely to be a galaxy buster.
Your red no is not gonna change that.

First off, Bills isn't destroying galaxies.

Secondly, A > B > C logic doesn't ****ing work so simply if the power is so inconsistent.

Third, Goku keeping up with Bills wouldn't make him on Bills' level. Bills held back on SSJ God, which is a combo of multiple super saiyan energies. Lol This battle is Goku only with no hands. Goku in SSJ3 got his ass whooped by himself.

 

[Wolfus]

You can't explain it yourself because you're using calculations that seem more legit than they are.

Lmao, he said "“All DBZ warriors have, at the beginning of DBZ, energy beams faster than light”

I love how DBZ fans will go on about how inconsistent things are then support theories such as "X is light speed at the beginning"(not that these are correct). Same people go on about how it's a fictional world and then say the blasts are lights that move at LS, so dodging them makes you FTL. But we aren't going to use that logic for any verse other than DBZ because...because...**** you Yout- Grimreaper8019.



False proof.



Running across snake way doesn't make him FTL.




Don't go on about inconsistency then count this as legit proof that all after is FTL. Even worse, you're trying to judge speed by how fast the panels go by. Lol They aren't animations, and the anime is non canon.

Not to mention since it's a fictional verse, we have to take the realism of force, distance, etc. But you guys never want to do that because that means your calculations are pretty much wasted. Lol



No. He'll need to run. 3 verses are coming at him along with their high tiers and logia users who he can't hit. Even if he ITs, that'll be running away unless he ITs only a couple of steps away (meaning he's going to get merked anyways with people of the DC from all these verses).




No one's talking about DBZ, we're talking about no handed Goku vs all 3 universes as a whole including high tiers and intangible characters. You still aren't explaining how Goku is winning.



No...

Just because a kamehameha destroys X a kick can destroy it too? Where are you making up this bullshit?



1. Goku's going to shoot a planet busting Kamehameha out his feet, then? And him not being able to hurt the logia would mean he doesn't win.



You still aren't understanding this.



First off, Bills isn't destroying galaxies.

Secondly, A > B > C logic doesn't ****ing work so simply if the power is so inconsistent.

Third, Goku keeping up with Bills wouldn't make him on Bills' level. Bills held back on SSJ God, which is a combo of multiple super saiyan energies. Lol This battle is Goku only with no hands. Goku in SSJ3 got his ass whooped by himself.

1- You didn't disprove any of the explanations, and some were very valid and correct. Until you disprove them, goku is FTL. Your opinion is irrelevant.

2- Legit proof, try disproving it first.

3- I didn't say that. However, death battle made calculations proving he is FTL, and they didn't even consider goku's speed increasing in base form

4- That's how it is, both using the manga and the anime. Now you're denying a fact(the fact that it was blown almost instantly)
You're denying facts, your point is invalid.

5- False. He can dodge it for being FTL, for being much faster than all these chars and their atacks. He can IT behind them all and take them down. Or just blow the whole are, overcoming their atacks and destroying them.

6-I explained how he is winning.

7- Not like that, but almost. I made an explanation using physics and the concept of ki. Try disproving it first.

8- Kamehameha is kamehameha, out his feet or not. It's a kid blast, made of energy release by goku. It's irrelevant from where he is releasing it.

9- Yeah, I understand. You deny facts and you can't prove how they win, you just keep saying "oh, he is surrounded, he has to run like a p*ssy". That's barely an argument

10- Yeah, bills was stated to be a galaxy buster. Wiss said "galaxies get destroied when bills same is upset(or mad, I don't recall it perfectly)

Second- ABC logic in dbz works. It's dbz, it's simple raw power.

Third- Yeah, it puts him on bills lvl. That's how dbz always worked. A char is almost equal to the other char, their feats are almost the same(this goes for speed, destruction, strength, everything)

Fourth- Goku in the end of the movie managed to keep up and even gave bills some trouble being in SSJ 1. Also, he managed to turn ssj god by himself.

 

[Grimreaper8019]

1- You didn't disprove any of the explanations, and some were very valid and correct. Until you disprove them, goku is FTL. Your opinion is irrelevant.

I'm not about to ****ing disprove the same shit. People always gonna send me some dumbass shit knowing I'm not going to disprove every point because I have shit to do. The second I disproved Goku even coming close to Superman it got deleted, and that post involved his speed. No...your opinion is irrelevant, because you aren't even able to prove it. You're just bringing non legit posts into this using other peoples calcs where they contradict shit most of the time.

2- Legit proof, try disproving it first.

No, I can easily type up these responses, but that's too much ****ing work. I have other shit to do. Lol

Say what you want. Goku isn't FTL, I at least listed some brief reasons above.

3- I didn't say that. However, death battle made calculations proving he is FTL, and they didn't even consider goku's speed increasing in base form

Death Battle is ignorant though. Lol They don't matter. Stop trusting other sources 100% just because they seem legit.

4- That's how it is, both using the manga and the anime. Now you're denying a fact(the fact that it was blown almost instantly)

It's ****ing manga. If we use your logic then there's plenty of characters we could slap FTL onto. Cut that bullshit, man.

You're denying facts, your point is invalid.

I ****ING KNEW IT. GET OUT GoT.

5- False. He can dodge it for being FTL, for being much faster than all these chars and their atacks. He can IT behind them all and take them down. Or just blow the whole are, overcoming their atacks and destroying them.

This is what I meant when I said this isn't a godmod RP. You're saying Goku can do all this stuff when it's 3 universes attacking him along with strategists, logia, high tiers, soulf*ckers, and a sage with the power of creation. Goku isn't FTL, so no.

Goku isn't destroying everyone with a foot kamehameha.

6-I explained how he is winning.

Bullshit. You just said it was a stalemate.

7- Not like that, but almost. I made an explanation using physics and the concept of ki. Try disproving it first.

Oh my mother****ing God.

You didn't make any ****ing explanations, you linked to other peoples shit when it wasn't even legitimate. I told you already, I'm not about to quote all of that post and negate it just so you can be stubborn and continue the debate and make me waste even more time. I'd rather let you be an idiot and brag about how you think you won a debate before I do that.

8- Kamehameha is kamehameha, out his feet or not. It's a kid blast, made of energy release by goku. It's irrelevant from where he is releasing it.

Elaborate.

9- Yeah, I understand. You deny facts and you can't prove how they win, you just keep saying "oh, he is surrounded, he has to run like a p*ssy". That's barely an argument

It's not an argument unless it's coming from you. Lol

10- Yeah, bills was stated to be a galaxy buster. Wiss said "galaxies get destroied when bills same is upset(or mad, I don't recall it perfectly)

Yeah, called a hyperbole. And Bills went around destroying stars after multiple flight attacks.

Second- ABC logic in dbz works. It's dbz, it's simple raw power.

How can you not know shit about the series you're defending? Didn't you already say shit in DBZ is inconsistent?

Third- Yeah, it puts him on bills lvl. That's how dbz always worked. A char is almost equal to the other char, their feats are almost the same(this goes for speed, destruction, strength, everything)

No. Inconsistency in DBZ prevents A > B > C logic from being simple. DBZ itself prevents it.

Fourth- Goku in the end of the movie managed to keep up and even gave bills some trouble being in SSJ 1. Also, he managed to turn ssj god by himself.

Goku fought Bills in SSJ God and got his ass whooped in a fairly small time frame. Lol

You're claiming he gave Bills trouble in SSJ1 yet he got his ass handed to him in SSJ3...Oh, remember that inconsistency I was talking about earlier? Yeeah...

I still don't remember him "giving Bills trouble" in SSJ1 anyways. You exaggerating?

He used the energy of 4-5 different people. This is Goku's battle.

 

[Wolfus]

I'm not about to ****ing disprove the same shit. People always gonna send me some dumbass shit knowing I'm not going to disprove every point because I have shit to do. The second I disproved Goku even coming close to Superman it got deleted, and that post involved his speed. No...your opinion is irrelevant, because you aren't even able to prove it. You're just bringing non legit posts into this using other peoples calcs where they contradict shit most of the time.




No, I can easily type up these responses, but that's too much ****ing work. I have other shit to do. Lol

Say what you want. Goku isn't FTL, I at least listed some brief reasons above.



Death Battle is ignorant though. Lol They don't matter. Stop trusting other sources 100% just because they seem legit.


It's ****ing manga. If we use your logic then there's plenty of characters we could slap FTL onto. Cut that bullshit, man.



I ****ING KNEW IT. GET OUT GoT.



This is what I meant when I said this isn't a godmod RP. You're saying Goku can do all this stuff when it's 3 universes attacking him along with strategists, logia, high tiers, soulf*ckers, and a sage with the power of creation. Goku isn't FTL, so no.

Goku isn't destroying everyone with a foot kamehameha.



Bullshit. You just said it was a stalemate.



Oh my mother****ing God.

You didn't make any ****ing explanations, you linked to other peoples shit when it wasn't even legitimate. I told you already, I'm not about to quote all of that post and negate it just so you can be stubborn and continue the debate and make me waste even more time. I'd rather let you be an idiot and brag about how you think you won a debate before I do that.



Elaborate.



It's not an argument unless it's coming from you. Lol



Yeah, called a hyperbole. And Bills went around destroying stars after multiple flight attacks.



How can you not know shit about the series you're defending? Didn't you already say shit in DBZ is inconsistent?



No. Inconsistency in DBZ prevents A > B > C logic from being simple. DBZ itself prevents it.



Goku fought Bills in SSJ God and got his ass whooped in a fairly small time frame. Lol

You're claiming he gave Bills trouble in SSJ1 yet he got his ass handed to him in SSJ3...Oh, remember that inconsistency I was talking about earlier? Yeeah...

I still don't remember him "giving Bills trouble" in SSJ1 anyways. You exaggerating?

He used the energy of 4-5 different people. This is Goku's battle.

1/2/3- You didn't disprove anything at well. Calculations are calculations, and even using a much weaker goku, we can get an FTL result. It's irrelevant whose calculation it is. It even depowered goku, because they didn't consider the speed increasing in his base form. Still, he is FTL.
The feats explained in those threads, I didn't know about. Still, they are legit, even if not explained by me.
Manga scans of dbz are legit posts.

Basically, saying it wasn't made by me doesn't make my point invalid. You couldn't disprove ANY of the explanations and feats of FTL in dbz. Until then, goku is FTL. Stop deying facts with your opinion, it's stupid.

4- Oh, so being a manga changes completely any kind of logic? I'm sorry, the mechanics of movement and destruction in dbz are the same. The moon was exploded almost instantly. Try using better arguments.

5- Denying facts is all you're doing now.

6- Goku is FTL and he ahs FTL reactions. The atacks of the 3 universes are much slower, and they have different speeds from one another. So, goku can take advantage of the difference of position of the atacks to dodge them. Or he could just IT.

I'm sorry, do any of them(except for logias) have planet lvl durability? No? Then goku is taking them out with kamehameha.

7- Fair enough. I explained how he beats all of them except for logias.

8- "The energy output of the dbz chars is nothing more than their own energy. Which means that they could use the same energy to kick with equal "force" as his ki blasts(as to make a force, one must use some amount of energy W=F.D.cosa)
His kicks can take most people down."

This is an explanation, idiot. And it was made by me, dumbass. Try disproving it instead of *****ing about it.

9- What?

10- It's an argument if it has facts, evidences and logic explanations backing it up. You're just denying facts and *****ing about stuff.

11- No, it's not, He didn't say "bills can destroy galaxies" , he said "galaxies are destroied when bills same gets upset", which indicates that is a common habit, so most likely he's seen it before.

12- You know nothing about dbz then. It's just raw power, so ABC logic can be aplied. Otherwise, we wouldn't even say that goku can destroy planets, because he never did it. But we know frieza did it, and goku>frieza. So, goku can do it. That's how dbz works, and you should know it if you're discussing about it.

13- He didn't get his ass whooped. He managed to keep ut almost even with bills.

It happened. In the end of the movie, after goku lost ssj god for the first time. He pushed bills a little bit. That's because he managed to absorb ssj god's power and turn it into his own, so he got a "power up". If you had paid attention to the movie, you would've seen it.

He turned into SSJ god by his own in the end of the movies. Stop denying facts.

 

[Grimreaper8019]

1/2/3- You didn't disprove anything at well. Calculations are calculations, and even using a much weaker goku, we can get an FTL result. It's irrelevant whose calculation it is. It even depowered goku, because they didn't consider the speed increasing in his base form. Still, he is FTL.
The feats explained in those threads, I didn't know about. Still, they are legit, even if not explained by me.
Manga scans of dbz are legit posts.

Basically, saying it wasn't made by me doesn't make my point invalid. You couldn't disprove ANY of the explanations and feats of FTL in dbz. Until then, goku is FTL. Stop deying facts with your opinion, it's stupid.

4- Oh, so being a manga changes completely any kind of logic? I'm sorry, the mechanics of movement and destruction in dbz are the same. The moon was exploded almost instantly. Try using better arguments.

5- Denying facts is all you're doing now.

6- Goku is FTL and he ahs FTL reactions. The atacks of the 3 universes are much slower, and they have different speeds from one another. So, goku can take advantage of the difference of position of the atacks to dodge them. Or he could just IT.

I'm sorry, do any of them(except for logias) have planet lvl durability? No? Then goku is taking them out with kamehameha.

7- Fair enough. I explained how he beats all of them except for logias.

8- "The energy output of the dbz chars is nothing more than their own energy. Which means that they could use the same energy to kick with equal "force" as his ki blasts(as to make a force, one must use some amount of energy W=F.D.cosa)
His kicks can take most people down."

This is an explanation, idiot. And it was made by me, dumbass. Try disproving it instead of *****ing about it.

9- What?

10- It's an argument if it has facts, evidences and logic explanations backing it up. You're just denying facts and *****ing about stuff.

11- No, it's not, He didn't say "bills can destroy galaxies" , he said "galaxies are destroied when bills same gets upset", which indicates that is a common habit, so most likely he's seen it before.

12- You know nothing about dbz then. It's just raw power, so ABC logic can be aplied. Otherwise, we wouldn't even say that goku can destroy planets, because he never did it. But we know frieza did it, and goku>frieza. So, goku can do it. That's how dbz works, and you should know it if you're discussing about it.

13- He didn't get his ass whooped. He managed to keep ut almost even with bills.

It happened. In the end of the movie, after goku lost ssj god for the first time. He pushed bills a little bit. That's because he managed to absorb ssj god's power and turn it into his own, so he got a "power up". If you had paid attention to the movie, you would've seen it.

He turned into SSJ god by his own in the end of the movies. Stop denying facts.

I've learned my lessons from the past: Not to argue for pages with stupid mother****ers.

So Ok.

Ok, Wolfus.

Goku still isn't FTL, but I'm gonna stop coming on this thread to make some arguments when you aren't going to pay attention.

Plus I gotta catch up to this Lull in the Sea anime so pausing in the middle of every episode is getting annoying.

You can go ahead and brag, man. Tell me "Invalid" like GoT used to.

I asked for this, I said the forum was boring without GoT here and God brought me a bootleg version.

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[Wolfus]

I've learned my lessons from the past: Not to argue for pages with stupid mother****ers.

So Ok.

Ok, Wolfus.

Goku still isn't FTL, but I'm gonna stop coming on this thread to make some arguments when you aren't going to pay attention.

Plus I gotta catch up to this Lull in the Sea anime so pausing in the middle of every episode is getting annoying.

You can go ahead and brag, man. Tell me "Invalid" like GoT used to.

I asked for this, I said the forum was boring without GoT here and God brought me a bootleg version.

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Funny, you call me stupid, yet you proved nothing about what you said.

Your opinion is irrelevant, so until you disprove the explanations, goku is FTL. You ddin't use arguments, you *****ed about how those explanations weren't mine and they were inconsistent. You just claimed them to be, but you didn't prove anything you said. No counter, no explanation.
Nothing.

You are being very close to a fanboy, not me. So yeah. Next time, when a person uses an argument, try disproving it, instead of *****ing and saying it's invalid. Your opinion is nothing on a debate.

 

[Grimreaper8019]

Funny, you call me stupid, yet you proved nothing about what you said.

Your opinion is irrelevant, so until you disprove the explanations, goku is FTL. You ddin't use arguments, you *****ed about how those explanations weren't mine and they were inconsistent. You just claimed them to be, but you didn't prove anything you said. No counter, no explanation.
Nothing.

You are being very close to a fanboy, not me. So yeah. Next time, when a person uses an argument, try disproving it, instead of *****ing and saying it's invalid. Your opinion is nothing on a debate.

Lol I'm a fanboy of what *****? I've given OP more hate than love as of recent, haven't even talked about Naruto, and I don't even watch Bleach right now.

Mann you dummy. Goku ain't FTL.

Just shhh and smoke some weed or something, whatever chills people out these days.

Nah, but forreal I gotta ****s with this anime so for once I'm gonna let you ***** until you're happy.

 

[Wolfus]

Lol I'm a fanboy of what *****? I've given OP more hate than love as of recent, haven't even talked about Naruto, and I don't even watch Bleach right now.

Mann you dummy. Goku ain't FTL.

Just shhh and smoke some weed or something, whatever chills people out these days.

Nah, but forreal I gotta ****s with this anime so for once I'm gonna let you ***** until you're happy.

Dude, just stop. Really.

You've given no arguments, you raged, and you stated your opinion as a fact in all your posts. I, on the other hand, searched for FTL feats in dbz, I found a post with them, and they were even explained.

You just *****ed that they weren't mine and that they were invalid, however, you didn't care to explain how or why. You didn't care to counter any of the arguments used.

So, yeah. You're using the same reasoning skills as a fanboy. I know you're better than this, so stop is.

 

[Grimreaper8019]

Dude, just stop. Really.

You've given no arguments, you raged, and you stated your opinion as a fact in all your posts. I, on the other hand, searched for FTL feats in dbz, I found a post with them, and they were even explained.

You just *****ed that they weren't mine and that they were invalid, however, you didn't care to explain how or why. You didn't care to counter any of the arguments used.

So, yeah. You're using the same reasoning skills as a fanboy. I know you're better than this, so stop is.

No because the thing with arguing with people like you is I tend to get obstinate and argue for pages, and because I'm trying to marathon this anime and push out more artwork I don't feel like coming and keep debating this with you.

A couple months ago I probably would have debated this until I got the last word but I just don't give a **** right now. I don't know why, but I feel like I'm gonna waste as much time as I did with GoT.

But I know what: I'm sure as hell not going to negate all those threads you posted just to get some 2 second satisfaction. If you want me to debate it more with you that bad then I'm gonna have to ask you to find somethin else to do. Lol

If you gonna ***** about that too then we can argue, just provoke me or some shit. But keep my old acc on the low.

 

[BlackFlame44]

Since when was Goku FTL?

 

[Wolfus]

No because the thing with arguing with people like you is I tend to get obstinate and argue for pages, and because I'm trying to marathon this anime and push out more artwork I don't feel like coming and keep debating this with you.

A couple months ago I probably would have debated this until I got the last word but I just don't give a **** right now. I don't know why, but I feel like I'm gonna waste as much time as I did with GoT.

But I know what: I'm sure as hell not going to negate all those threads you posted just to get some 2 second satisfaction. If you want me to debate it more with you that bad then I'm gonna have to ask you to find somethin else to do. Lol

Arguing with people like me? I'm not GoT. I've seen his posts. Multiverse buster gogeta ssj4 and other nonsense he used to write

In fact, i was debating the other day with TAC and someone else on how goku loses to superman, disproving statements such as goku is megaverse(yeah, megaverse) buster and other BS.

However, denying that goku is FTL is just too much for me, so is denying that he achieved galaxy buster lvl with BoG.
I didn't create BS. I used logic and explanatios to prove my points, based on feats on the manga. Even when they werent mine, they were still valid.

You just kept denying everything without a single counter, so the discussion got pointless.