I kind of agree, but don't compare Kakashi and Ay not seeing the counter isn't a problem for Ay, because lightning armor protects him from counter attacks which he proved against Sasuke. Sasuke ducked under his elbow and countered him and it barely scratched him.
God Speed! (what does it mean)
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Yeah i know, which i why ay doesnt care about charging in full soeed. Because his armor protects him from counter attacks. But the same principle applies. Ay did not see his opponents counter, same way kakashi didnt. Only difference is ay wouldnt have been hurt as bad.
My fellow Gold lightining, we argue this all the time.
On the NV, the concept of sunshin (movement, godlike speed) is often changed wtih the concept of teletransportation.
That's why Yamato tells Naruto he hasn't reached Minato's sunshin yet. While he obviously refers to his FTG.
Since in close distances, the diference between true godlike speed and FTG is the same as the difference between 0 seconds and 0.001 seconds.
Here, this two things are almost the same, and Ay reminds Naruto's sunshin is like Minato's FTG.
Minato is known for his FTG (which is often switched with sunshin, since it looks the same in close distances). Of course, he's also fast without it, but he is called the best in godlike speed thanks to FTG
On the NV, the concept of sunshin (movement, godlike speed) is often changed wtih the concept of teletransportation.
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Even tobirama a FTG user calls it sunshin.That's why Yamato tells Naruto he hasn't reached Minato's sunshin yet. While he obviously refers to his FTG.
Since in close distances, the diference between true godlike speed and FTG is the same as the difference between 0 seconds and 0.001 seconds.
Here, this two things are almost the same, and Ay reminds Naruto's sunshin is like Minato's FTG.
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Minato is known for his FTG (which is often switched with sunshin, since it looks the same in close distances). Of course, he's also fast without it, but he is called the best in godlike speed thanks to FTG
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As what Creepy Stalker said, Very fast movement that eye couldnt follow and ordinary people couldnt react is called as God-like speed
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Stopped reading when you said yamato was comparing naruto to minatos ftg. He was obviously talking about shunshin. He said hes not one fourths level yet, so you are implying that naruto without ftg can reach instant levels.
See this is exactly what i was talking about. People pretending minato is the only exception to the term god speed. A term only ever used to describe movement, yet you want to say its ftg, if thats the case, why is Tobirama not praised as having god speed/being minatos equal? P
Thanks for posting images of two different scenarois, a fight and a chase. You compare minato trying to fight/counter and defeat ay, to naruto trying to get past/ay blocking him. Those arent the same. You also neglect the fact that the fight was the first of their many battles, which means only the first time minato evaded him, not the last. You also ignore tsuandes comments, she sees his shunshin which resembles minatos feats according to her. Its not comparable to ftg. Also how would tsuande know when she wasnt there the first time they fought?
No minato was known for being the fastest. He got his nickname nased on his proficiency with ftg, not speed. Being called he fastest and yellow flash are twi different categories. Its like i already said, look at his db2 profile. Speed and FTG are split up into two different sections/categories. No mention of ftg in his speed section. And no mention of speed in his space time ninjutsu section. You can search but you will never find anywhere in the manga that says ftg is the reason for minatos speed, or a anywhere in the db. Tobirama and hiruzen already confirmed shunshin is the speed he is praised for when they arrived. Dont know how kishi can make it much clearer.
Obito has teleportation but he is never known for speed. There have been other space time ninjutsu users, which again dont get a "fast" title for just possessing one.
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This is the true god like speed in the Narutoverse. Rikudo enhanced Kakashi blitzing Kaguya with Kamui Raikiri.
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Still can't understand that almost istant is really close to instant, so much that there's almost no diference to tell.
You're just a whiny fanboy that can't take the truth. There you go, i posted all the scans needed to back up my point and you just ignored them. Minato is known for his FTG since instant is the same as not instant in close distances. 0 = 0.001 seconds if we're talking battle wise.
Take your ignorance away and keep thinking Minato has the fastes sunshin, lmao.
Now i know why you're in the "retarted debaters to avoid" list. smh.
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Minato must have a godlike speed after it is highly implied that he with his special kunai could have heavily damaged armored Ay if not Bee's intervention, meanwhile MS Sasuke's chidori failed to do so; meaning his speed added an enhancement to the piercing power of his kunai up to a point that it exceeded the chidoris, even tho the chidori is naturally much stronger than the kunai. Personally i think he is the fastest non enhanced character in the manga after Gai.
Well instant isn't speed! So I would assume when they say fastest they mean without his FTG technique an in base form. The dude has aways been quick on his feet since childhood without FTG so I would say he is faster than most in base form while his FTG really put other shinobi to shame as far as getting from one place to another with instantaneous results.
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Pls just get lost, your stupidity is getting on my nerves. "Naruto isnt on minatos level YET". The "yet" implies that there is room for improvement, or to even surpass. How does one surpass instant. How is naurto blitzing kisame onto the wall and minato blitzing past obito and catching baby naruto on to the wall any different from each other. Instant is close to almost instant looool what a fool. You realise naruto isnt the only shunshin user. Bee has some amazing feats, where he has moved almost instantly, so has kakashi, so has itachi, so has sasuke and of course shisui. So why is naruto the only one compared to him. When bee saw narutos shunshin, why didnt he just say it looked like his brother? Why compare Narutos first shunshin to ftg instead of Ays raiton chakra mode, which at the time was still faster than naruto, whoch is slower than ftg. See how stupid you sound. So bee felt comparing speed it was more accurate to compare speed slower than his brother to instant? Man gtfo
FTG 4th db entry:
Tobirama’s developed jutsu were later inherited by a disciple, a user whose name was rising. Namikaze Minato improved the mastery of “Hiraishin no jutsu”, and thus took the nickname “The Yellow Flash”. The excellent jutsu was refined according to the disciple, who evolved it together with the era. The future of “Kagebunshin no jutsu (Shadow Clone Jutsu)” and “Rasengan” is dependent upon Naruto!?
Mastery over the jutsu is the reason for the name. Still not seeing speed anywhere. His nickname comes from the skill of ftg. His title as fastest comes from his speed in general, not space time ninjutsu. It says nothing of the sort anywhere.
Then you stull neglect the db scan where it says Ays raiton. Chakra mode on par/as fast/not inferior to minato. But of course you gonna tell me it was referring to ftg too right. Jesus. Didnt know you were this retarded.
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Well Tobirama invent Hiraishin. Yet he not stated to be Minato equal in speed, if Minato stated as greatest in God speed, then surely Tobirama will possess same title. It make no sense, does that mean all space time ninjutsu user equal fastest. So if ten ten to learn Hiraishin, she will also be call fast just because she learn a jutsu? That not sound right. Gemma and his team know Hiraishin but they not called the fastest ninja.
I think common sense need to be use here. It is movement speed being referred to. That why Hiruzen say he fast when Minato first reach battlefield and Tobirama impress.
I think common sense need to be use here. It is movement speed being referred to. That why Hiruzen say he fast when Minato first reach battlefield and Tobirama impress.
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I'd just like to say. In order to call a speed God like, it must be incredibly fast. Instant teleportation cannot be compared to god like speed, that just does not make sense. In order to make the comparison, it would mean the speed has to be incredibly fast, or movement speed beyond comprehension. I don't see how someone who just so happened to learn a teleportation technique can be compared to the speed of a god, that sound dumb to me. Someone made a good point, why does Tobirama not have the same credibility and praise and title as Minato since he too can teleport. Why not just say Minato has instantaneous speed (instant isn't even speed anyway), instead of trying to compare it to something that no matter how you look at it, is slower than instant. God like speed<Instant.
That Raikage scan kinda establishes that the yellow flash is fast enough to be on par with the Raikage. Of course Raikage is not on par with instant, so it must be referring to movement speed. I find it strange that people think the yellow flash isn't fast on his feet to be honest. You don't get a title of being the fastest, just to be called inferior to a character who admitted being slower, but the Naruto fan base is quite skeptical so understandable.
I think something people also need to look at is that the yellow flash with the ninetails chakra mode. He has no speed feats in that mode that are even comparable or surpass his alive feats, yet I've heard people say he is faster. So it's pretty much damage control and contradiction.
Conclusion:
Everyone character or technique that is compared to Godspeed or God like speed has referred to movement, according to the initial post of this thread. Sasuke moves fast, Raikage moves fast, Kakashi was moving fast. So I think it's unfair for anyone to say the same thing doesn't apply to the yellow flash.
I'd just like to say. In order to call a speed God like, it must be incredibly fast. Instant teleportation cannot be compared to god like speed, that just does not make sense. In order to make the comparison, it would mean the speed has to be incredibly fast, or movement speed beyond comprehension. I don't see how someone who just so happened to learn a teleportation technique can be compared to the speed of a god, that sound dumb to me. Someone made a good point, why does Tobirama not have the same credibility and praise and title as Minato since he too can teleport. Why not just say Minato has instantaneous speed (instant isn't even speed anyway), instead of trying to compare it to something that no matter how you look at it, is slower than instant. God like speed<Instant.
That Raikage scan kinda establishes that the yellow flash is fast enough to be on par with the Raikage. Of course Raikage is not on par with instant, so it must be referring to movement speed. I find it strange that people think the yellow flash isn't fast on his feet to be honest. You don't get a title of being the fastest, just to be called inferior to a character who admitted being slower, but the Naruto fan base is quite skeptical so understandable.
I think something people also need to look at is that the yellow flash with the ninetails chakra mode. He has no speed feats in that mode that are even comparable or surpass his alive feats, yet I've heard people say he is faster. So it's pretty much damage control and contradiction.
Conclusion:
Everyone character or technique that is compared to Godspeed or God like speed has referred to movement, according to the initial post of this thread. Sasuke moves fast, Raikage moves fast, Kakashi was moving fast. So I think it's unfair for anyone to say the same thing doesn't apply to the yellow flash.
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Best comment. Very good, this will help.
One question. Alive Minato has the spped of nARUTO WHEN HE BLITZED THE tbb?
If it si true then, Minato alive with Kurama can give to Juubito?