[Gen] Genjutsu!!!

[Noni]

You are precisely right, the clone would likely not have a clone, look at its clothes do you think they would wave around with the air as he/she moves to you? Look at the ground, do you think the grass would move or be pushed downward by the force a tangible clone would? These are really simplistic ways of figuring out the gen. A big form of breaking genjutsu is realizing the environment can play a huge role, especially genjutsus that force you to see something new, all you have to do is closely observe it and make logical detections.


( Kasumi Jūsha no Jutsu ) - Mist Servant Technique
Rank: D
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost:10
Damage Points: N/A
Description: This illusion creates numerous illusionary clones of the user that appear to emerge from the ground, trees, rocks, etc. If these clones are attacked, they appear to multiply. The user can co-ordinate his attacks with the clones to make it appear as if they are real.

Similar to what we already spoke about. Many clones of the user will appear sporadically around the terrain to attempt an attack on the opponent. What is unique about this compared to others is how the user can actually move them and work the illusion to his/her need in the fight. And when attacked, they seem to multiply. In hindsight this is quite the frightening technique.

Anyway, explain this tech to me and how you might use it? This seems to be something that can work really well with terrain, any examples? And I also suspect these clones to work well with distractions and to use with taijutsu. Can these clones actually physically harm the opponent? How would you break this?

 

[Elmage G Ace]

You are precisely right, the clone would likely not have a clone, look at its clothes do you think they would wave around with the air as he/she moves to you? Look at the ground, do you think the grass would move or be pushed downward by the force a tangible clone would? These are really simplistic ways of figuring out the gen. A big form of breaking genjutsu is realizing the environment can play a huge role, especially genjutsus that force you to see something new, all you have to do is closely observe it and make logical detections.


( Kasumi Jūsha no Jutsu ) - Mist Servant Technique
Rank: D
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost:10
Damage Points: N/A
Description: This illusion creates numerous illusionary clones of the user that appear to emerge from the ground, trees, rocks, etc. If these clones are attacked, they appear to multiply. The user can co-ordinate his attacks with the clones to make it appear as if they are real.

Similar to what we already spoke about. Many clones of the user will appear sporadically around the terrain to attempt an attack on the opponent. What is unique about this compared to others is how the user can actually move them and work the illusion to his/her need in the fight. And when attacked, they seem to multiply. In hindsight this is quite the frightening technique.

Anyway, explain this tech to me and how you might use it? This seems to be something that can work really well with terrain, any examples? And I also suspect these clones to work well with distractions and to use with taijutsu. Can these clones actually physically harm the opponent? How would you break this?

The user creates illusionary clones that seem to emerge from the ground, or behind rocks, or trees to deceive the user or confuse him, and because the illusion does not just appear, it seems more real than the previous one, and this would be best used in a rocky/forest terrain where there is much cover, to make the illusion look more realistic.

Well, as you said, it's very good with taijutsu, so I'd probably perform the genjutsu, together with real clone perhaps, all to confuse and distract the victim. I could mix the genjutsu clones with real clones in close combat to deceive the victim, making it seem my clones cloud hit him, but he couldn't hit back, making the illusion more believable.

I don't think this clones can harm physically, because they are still just illusions, but they can be mixed with real clones.

Well just like the previous ones, if one focuses on the environment, one would be able to figure it out, now this technique was meant to trick the eyes, but the other senses should work fine, that being said, things like sound of foot steps, or scent would be a dead give away because the illusions wouln't have scent for example, nor would they make actual sound. I hope I'm rightxD

 

[Noni]

I like the combination with other clones. Though fighting for a long time, people will just use ways to attack them all at once (metagaming sort of) and deduce how they interact with the attack. Best manipulate their movement accordingly, it will work fine.

Also for the most part you got it right, but notice, when clones are create what would you usually suspect during creation? Personally I recognize a poof of smoke <_<. If they appear out of nowhere, and before hand you didn't even notice smoke, probably a give away that they are not real clones. Simple though.


( Magen: Narakumi ) - Demonic Illusion: Hell Viewing
Rank: D
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra Cost: 10
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user performs two handseals causing it to appear as if a swirl of leaves surrounds the opponent. The swirl eventually falls away, and after a few seconds, the opponent sees the image of whatever they fear the most, shocking them and potentially causing them to faint.

Wow, so pretty simple, two hand seals, leaves appear around and surround opponent. The leaves fall down after a few seconds, and what appears ahead of the opponent their greatest fear which induces some nice effects.

Personally, this technique gives it off as a potential great, but is very vague lol. I mean what does a person fear the most? Object, events, people, etc? Lol but that isn't the point for this is an adaptable genjutsu and the answer of what they see is specific to what the user allows them to fear the most. Anyway, I see some dead give aways for detecting this genjutsu. Care to explain some? Also, combination is obvious, this is meant to distract them, but what type of terrain do you think this technique is best used on?

 

[Elmage G Ace]

Well if I fear clowns the most (not saying I do at all) and a clown just appears in my way, I'd get really scared, but then
I'd wonder how it just appearedxD. The sudden change of environment or appearance of people/Objects/whatever makes one scared is a dead give away, because only a summon can make things appear and they usually appear in a poof of smoke, I'd wonder where my opponent is because there is a likely hood that he won't be what I fear the most.
And I'll best use this technique is a tree forest terrain so the falling leaves would seem logical, I mean a leaf cannot fall from the sky in a desert!LoL

 

[Noni]

Pretty simple. Good job.

Anyway <_< it is time for something a little new.

I want you to take a full grasp of your chakra system. Perform a hand seal to maintain this, I want you to stop the flow of your chakra circulation, and then as you do that, spike it back by forcefully regenerating the chakra.

 

[Elmage G Ace]

Pretty simple. Good job.

Anyway <_< it is time for something a little new.

I want you to take a full grasp of your chakra system. Perform a hand seal to maintain this, I want you to stop the flow of your chakra circulation, and then as you do that, spike it back by forcefully regenerating the chakra.

~I perform a single hand seal, then I focus on taking control of my chakra flow, as do that I stop my chakra flow, then I attempt to spike it back all at once, I proceed to spike my chakra, as I forcefully regenerate it~

 

[Noni]

*puts you in an illusion where you see a wave of water coming at you*

Deduce it within the situation on how its a genjutsu and break it again. Description vague so take advantage :|

 

[Elmage G Ace]

*puts you in an illusion where you see a wave of water coming at you*

Deduce it within the situation on how its a genjutsu and break it again. Description vague so take advantage :|

~I suddenly notice a large wave of water coming at me, and at first thought it was a water jutsu, but then thought, I didn't see him release water from himself, or from the ground, and this mass of water is difficult to be made instantly, and I don't really hear the sound of the wave of water( ) so he knew it was a genjutsu, I then proceed to make a single seal, forcing my chakra flow to stop, and immediately spike it again, this results in freeing me from the genjutsu~

 

[Noni]

I suddenly notice a large wave of water coming at me, and at first thought it was a water jutsu, but then thought, I didn't see him release water from himself, or from the ground

Water can be made from anywhere, so this doesn't matter. When releasing gen, find something, attack it, and break it. The faster, the better.



( Genjutsu: Kai ) - Illusion Technique: Release
Rank: C-S
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra Cost: 15-40
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user does one hand seal to focus and then proceeds to disturb his chakra flow by forcefully stopping it momentarily and then "spiking" his spiritual energy, unbalancing his chakra. This dispels any genjutsu set upon the user except MS Eye Techniques, Paralysis-like Genjutsu and Demonic Illusion: Toad Confrontation Chant. The effectiveness of this technique is dependent upon the skill of the user. A Jounin rank ninja can dispel Genjutsu up to C-rank. An S-class ninja can dispel Genjutsu up to B-rank. A Sannin rank ninja can dispel Genjutsu up to A-rank. A Sage rank user can dispel Genjutsu up to S-Rank. The user may use this technique through physical contact on others to dispel them from Genjutsu. The technique can only be used once per turn and the user still needs to fully follow the logic as to why he figured out it was an illusion.

Any questions?

 

[Elmage G Ace]

No questions!

 

[Noni]

( Kori Shinchū no Jutsu ) - Sly Mind Affect Technique
Rank: C
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost:15
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user casts an illusion on the opponent that makes them believe they are travelling in a straight line, when instead they are moving in circles. This is only effective on moving opponents. If the opponent travels in the circle for hours, they will be exhausted.

How do you think this jutsu stacks with combinations? What would you use? Personally I despite it takes hours for the exhaustion to take place, its not like the opponent won't realize its a genjutsu by then xD. But this has specific issues and can be used against specific people. Also, what is a key to countering this?

 

[Elmage G Ace]

I honestly don't understand much about this technique, but from the description, I think its a visual genjutsu, so if the target is in motion, I could initiate the genjutsu before launching a projectile attack, or ninjutsu of sorts and he would try ro counter it but since he is moving in circles, his aim would be really bad.
So I'd use the genjutsu first, then perhaps an explosive tag.
I guess to break it, I'd realise that I'm moving in circle because I'd eventually feel my body turning in a circle, but I'm not sure about it. What if I stop moving? What then? Does it mean anytime I try to move the genjutsu would take effect?

 

[Noni]

I honestly don't understand much about this technique, but from the description, I think its a visual genjutsu, so if the target is in motion, I could initiate the genjutsu before launching a projectile attack, or ninjutsu of sorts and he would try ro counter it but since he is moving in circles, his aim would be really bad.
So I'd use the genjutsu first, then perhaps an explosive tag.
I guess to break it, I'd realise that I'm moving in circle because I'd eventually feel my body turning in a circle, but I'm not sure about it. What if I stop moving? What then? Does it mean anytime I try to move the genjutsu would take effect?

Well first of all, it is a physical and visual genjutsu at the same time. It makes them believe they are traveling straight, so their eyes are fixated forward (or at least the genjutsu paints an image that they are moving forward) and it is physical for because your vision is harmed in such a fashion they become imbalanced and move in a circle formation.

I like how you mentioned to hurt his aim to stop countering your stuff. Something I thought of is if he tried to use a streaming attack, while moving forward, you can use this to have him move in circles and literally stop the aim, but that might inevitably help him discover it being genjutsu since he will notice his attack didn't hit the opponent, but it at least saves you from an attack if needed. Just something I thought of I like to give my combos to others on the spot.

Now, to the questions.

What if I stop moving?

Good question dissecting it, at first sight it seemed like a genjutsu that forced you to move in a circle, in reality it ruins your vision and because of it causes the physical imbalance. However the genjutsu says here...

If the opponent travels in the circle for hours, they will be exhausted.

Which implies that if the opponent chooses to travel they can get exhausted, but it can also imply the user doesn't need to continue the travel, that he can stop, I'm not entirely sure on this, I would suspect that this jutsu doesn't control movements since genjutsu doesn't do that at all. So if you stop, you might just have the same distance between you and your opponent from when the genjutsu took effect on you, would it help break it? Well it leaves you open to get attacked that is for sure lol. But it can also give you time to deduce it, but I wouldn't say it is broken the moment you stop.

I think this genjutsu only takes effect when you move.

But lets look at the countering, your vision is skewered. So likely using visual perception directly from the genjutsu won't be the best way to break the genjutsu, though it can be used in a specific scenario and in a specific usage way, I want to teach you so that you can look at other senses to help break things. Look at the other four senses.

Touch, smell, hearing, and Taste

I don't see taste being a factor, nor do I see smell.

That leaves touch and hearing. How would you make about these 2 senses to break this illusion?

 

[Elmage G Ace]

Well first of all, it is a physical and visual genjutsu at the same time. It makes them believe they are traveling straight, so their eyes are fixated forward (or at least the genjutsu paints an image that they are moving forward) and it is physical for because your vision is harmed in such a fashion they become imbalanced and move in a circle formation.

I like how you mentioned to hurt his aim to stop countering your stuff. Something I thought of is if he tried to use a streaming attack, while moving forward, you can use this to have him move in circles and literally stop the aim, but that might inevitably help him discover it being genjutsu since he will notice his attack didn't hit the opponent, but it at least saves you from an attack if needed. Just something I thought of I like to give my combos to others on the spot.

Now, to the questions.

Good question dissecting it, at first sight it seemed like a genjutsu that forced you to move in a circle, in reality it ruins your vision and because of it causes the physical imbalance. However the genjutsu says here...

Which implies that if the opponent chooses to travel they can get exhausted, but it can also imply the user doesn't need to continue the travel, that he can stop, I'm not entirely sure on this, I would suspect that this jutsu doesn't control movements since genjutsu doesn't do that at all. So if you stop, you might just have the same distance between you and your opponent from when the genjutsu took effect on you, would it help break it? Well it leaves you open to get attacked that is for sure lol. But it can also give you time to deduce it, but I wouldn't say it is broken the moment you stop.

I think this genjutsu only takes effect when you move.

But lets look at the countering, your vision is skewered. So likely using visual perception directly from the genjutsu won't be the best way to break the genjutsu, though it can be used in a specific scenario and in a specific usage way, I want to teach you so that you can look at other senses to help break things. Look at the other four senses.

Touch, smell, hearing, and Taste

I don't see taste being a factor, nor do I see smell.

That leaves touch and hearing. How would you make about these 2 senses to break this illusion?

Well, for sound I guess, I'd be able to locate the users position, if he makes a sound, or perhaps the technique he uses to follow up makes a sound, so even if I'm not facing the actual technique, I'd hear the sound and be able to pin point its location.
Then in terms of touch, it depends, for fire release, one could feel the heat of the technique, even when he trapped in a genjutsu

 

[Noni]

You are focusing too much on what the opponent is doing and experiencing, and not on yourself. Yes it can works sometimes, but a skilled fighter will prevent such chances for you to break genjutsu because of their mistake, look around you, your body, the movements, and take account all the senses and how they behave.

 

[Elmage G Ace]

You are focusing too much on what the opponent is doing and experiencing, and not on yourself. Yes it can works sometimes, but a skilled fighter will prevent such chances for you to break genjutsu because of their mistake, look around you, your body, the movements, and take account all the senses and how they behave.

I guess, I could only tell using sound and touch, that said, focusing on myself, I think with respect to touch I would feel my legs turning with each step I take I guess, I would also feel the constant change in wind direction as I circle an area.
I'm out of ideas already>_>

 

[Noni]

You are very right. When you move in a circle you would obviously notice the air hit your body in a particular angle over and over again and on one side. If there is sun you might notice a specific light/heat hitting your body in a pattern that seems specific. And as you said you might notice something from the opponents usage of a technique.



( Genjutsu: Jinmon ) - Illusion Technique: Interrogation
Rank: C
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra Cost:15
Damage Points:30
Description: The user of this technique, upon casting on a stationary opponent with physical contact with them, is able to convince the enemy to give away information. However, this will only work on ninja two ranks lower and below than the caster.

A lot of supplementary use, how would you prevent this as well as use this for your advantage? Works great for the NW.

 

[Elmage G Ace]

Well obviously it is important in getting information, and I can't over stress the importance of information, so I'd use it to get information from the victim, be it the location of someone or something, maybe the victim has a partner I'm looking for or something like that.
To prevent the genjutsu from taking place, I'd prevent physical contact with the user or I'd just make sure I'm not stationary=D

 

[Noni]

( Genjutsu: Jigoku Gouka ) - Illusion Technique: Hell Fire
Rank: C
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 15
Damage Points:N/A
Description: The user casts an illusion where the opponent sees a huge ball of fire descending from the sky and enveloping its target.

Probably the most basic xD. Opponent sees a fireball attempt to crush them from above and engulf them. Very simple. How would you counter, and how might you use this in combination?

 

[Elmage G Ace]

( Genjutsu: Jigoku Gouka ) - Illusion Technique: Hell Fire
Rank: C
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 15
Damage Points:N/A
Description: The user casts an illusion where the opponent sees a huge ball of fire descending from the sky and enveloping its target.

Probably the most basic xD. Opponent sees a fireball attempt to crush them from above and engulf them. Very simple. How would you counter, and how might you use this in combination?

Hmm, well I'd notice that I don't feel the warmth of the technique, and in most cases fire don't fall out of the sky, but I guess that could the taken care of, so the best way to know it's a genjutsu is the warmth would not be felt, so I'd just say bite a small chunk from my lip, and proceed to attack the user before he launches his actual attack.

I would combine this with a lightning jutsu that comes from the sky, most people's reaction would be to use water at first, and water can't really counter lightning, I could also combine this with a suitable fire jutsu, to make the genjutsu more realistic