Genjutsu is highly overrated! Bee could beat itachi anyday!

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Blackbird you are wrong. Sasuke escaped from itachis tsukoyomi. It's not impossible.

Second I want to point out that the 8 tails was trying to wake bee from the genjutsu, but it was samehada that actually did it.

Bee thanks samehada after samehada interrupts the genjutsu.
 
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why to ppl think genjutsu can kill you? there is no genjutsu that can kill you! it merely targets you nervous system and one of the 5 senses. it is made to stun/confuse/immobilize/and make you collapse. after the genjutsu or during the genjutsu the user then makes the move for the kill. (visual/sharingan) but against a 2+ man cell fight, genjutsu is irrelevant because the partners would release the spell. against tsukiomi, the parter would protect the collapsed one, and wake them up/snap them out. plus the eft one tsukiomi has on the user is quite high (unless your sasuke with out of no where power ups!)

(sound) is said by shikamaru to be the best out of all the 5 senses genjutsu! the reason is it could target multiple enemies instead of one. and take it from there. these two are the main ones being used in the show so i want bring up the other senses since there is nothing to support them.

overall, even the tsukiomi cant kill some one. but is merely used to help go for the win. some one like killer bee would be protected from any tsukiomi, why? because not only does he have the 8tails to protect from all damage (octo arms and other things) and snap him out (since its 2 minds in one body. bee also has samehada who also has a separate mind that protects from all damage, pump bee with chakra to wake him up, and also heal all damage down to bee.

so please stop saying one tsukiomi wins a fight when it is a fact that it doesn't, it can lead to the victory tho. bee>>itachi any day all day!

feel free to argue, i have a lil free time. :D

How is killer B better than Itachi even if tsukiyomi doesn't work amaterasu and susano would defeat bee. Bee in his 8 tails mode lost instantly to sasuke when he activated amaterasu.
 

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You do know that Tsukuyomi only lasts for one second in the real world, not enough time for anyone to break a partner out of it. However it lasts three days in the genjutsu world, so Itachi could torture Bee before the Hachibi managed to break out of it. And what happened to Kakashi would happen to anyone who got caught in Tsukuyomi, they would be hospitalized or in a coma or too weak to fight and Itachi would kill them.

Also Itachi is a genjutsu master, he has genjutsu that doesn't revolve around his sharingan. But even so, since Tsukuyomi only lasts one second in the real world no one would be able to break out of it because their partner or whoever would snap them out of it wouldn't have time to react, if you even can break out of Tsukuyomi, there is no proof that anyone can and Itachi said that only an immediate family member of his could break out of it.

That is why Itachi is one of the best, one vs. one he is almost unbeatable since all he has to do is look at them, one second is all he needs.

good point forgot about the 1 sec and 3 days thing but either way bee won't win a fair 1v1 fight.
 

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So then why did Naruto say that if he gets hit by an amaterasu or trapped in a tsukyiomi it's all over ?
 

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I agree, Itachi is very powerful, but everyone is acting like he's unbeatable, everyones forgetting that Nagato is the more powerful one out of the two, I think it will be interesting to see Nagato fight without the six paths because the Rinnegan allows him to master any jutsu from any element, apart from kekkei genkai. Everyone also acts like Bee is stupid, when he's actually really clever he outsmarted Sasuke, and Sasuke pretty much outsmarts everyone he comes up against. I doubt Bee will fight Itachi anyway, it will be Naruto vs Itachi, whilst Itachi talks about Sasuke and things like that, doubt Naruto will fight Nagato again. Tailed Beast Bomb is better than Susano'o, Naruto now has the body flicker technique allowing him to dodge Amaterasu. I don't know how he'll combat Tsukoyomi but he'll find a way he always does.
 

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sasuke's tsukiyomi < Itachi's tsukiyomi regardless of opinions thinking otherwise, and sasuke is great at genjutsu don't get me wrong, he caught the raikage's bodyguard in a genjutsu and took him out of the fight, caught bee for a few seconds with his weak tsukiyomi, hes used it to beat danzo (perfect case for genjutsu being useful, if it wasn't for that danzo might have won at the end since he knew his last eye was closed)

But hes a ninjutsu specialist while itachi is a genjutsu specialist, probably the best in the world alive or dead so bee would actually be his counter for that part, being a "perfect host" means your tailed beast willingly breaks you out of genjutsu making you all but immune to genjutsu, so naruto,sasuke (having sharingan and uchiha blood) and him are really unique cases as far as genjutsu is concerned.

against 99.9% of the rest of everyone else genjutsu can easily end a fight, ask anyone on NB who is into the RP fighting if you can stun someone with a genjutsu the right way you can crush them in the 3-4 seconds they are in an illusion or recovering from the effect of the genjutsu or breaking out (almost always hurting themselves to do it) so getting hit with itachi's most powerful genjutsu and not being Sasuke, Naruto (if his new mode helps vs genjutsu) or Bee means you are at itachi's mercy for 3 days straight and with how quick it happens in real time i doubt the 8tails would be able to break it quick enough for it to have no affect.

but this is in the story so nagato and itachi will probably be both defeated next week with time to have pretty little speeches -_-
 

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So then why did Naruto say that if he gets hit by an amaterasu or trapped in a tsukyiomi it's all over ?

Because if you look closely Itachi didn't use Tsukuyomi on Bee, he used a regular crow genjutsu and then he activated MS and Naruto told Bee to watch out. It wasn't Tsukuyomi at all. If Bee had been hit by Tsukuyomi he would be on the ground unconscious and Itachi would win.

I don't get why everyone thinks that was Tsukuyomi, there were crows. Tsukuyomi doesn't use crows. Not that you think that but there are other people on this thread that said that.
 

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You do know that Tsukuyomi only lasts for one second in the real world, not enough time for anyone to break a partner out of it. However it lasts three days in the genjutsu world, so Itachi could torture Bee before the Hachibi managed to break out of it. And what happened to Kakashi would happen to anyone who got caught in Tsukuyomi, they would be hospitalized or in a coma or too weak to fight and Itachi would kill them.

Also Itachi is a genjutsu master, he has genjutsu that doesn't revolve around his sharingan. But even so, since Tsukuyomi only lasts one second in the real world no one would be able to break out of it because their partner or whoever would snap them out of it wouldn't have time to react, if you even can break out of Tsukuyomi, there is no proof that anyone can and Itachi said that only an immediate family member of his could break out of it.

That is why Itachi is one of the best, one vs. one he is almost unbeatable since all he has to do is look at them, one second is all he needs.


i agree, 1 vs 1 my boi itachi can take out almost anyone. but bee is 3 (him, 8tails, and samehada). what i am saying, is after the 1 second, he will collapse, then same or 8tails will wake him up and get him back in the fight. itachi still has to go for the kill like jman did 3 pains with the big sword. what im saying is, bee has 2 protections that are automatic like gaaras sand to help him till he wakes up.




So then why did Naruto say that if he gets hit by an amaterasu or trapped in a tsukyiomi it's all over ?

because naruto does not know bees true abilitys, and does not have 3 soce of chakras like bee (bee, same, and 8tails), and naruto has lost to itachi b4 so is just warning him... other reasons, bit those are the main ones... next...


How is killer B better than Itachi even if tsukiyomi doesn't work amaterasu and susano would defeat bee. Bee in his 8 tails mode lost instantly to sasuke when he activated amaterasu

susanoo would get owned by full 8tails (just were itachi out), and amertatsu is a joke to bee, he lost to that move own puose to escape the village. and he can do what he did to decieve sasuke, go to the tentacle... next!!!



tsukuyomi is an unescapable genjutsu. once your trapped it'll break your will and because he controls time and space even if it takes the 8-tails one second to wake him up; bee will have already suffered for 72 hours in tsukuyomi.

it is, but what i am saying is that same could wake him up and so could 8atils, then he transform to V2 then he is good to go.
 

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why to ppl think genjutsu can kill you? there is no genjutsu that can kill you! it merely targets you nervous system and one of the 5 senses. it is made to stun/confuse/immobilize/and make you collapse. after the genjutsu or during the genjutsu the user then makes the move for the kill. (visual/sharingan) but against a 2+ man cell fight, genjutsu is irrelevant because the partners would release the spell. against tsukiomi, the parter would protect the collapsed one, and wake them up/snap them out. plus the eft one tsukiomi has on the user is quite high (unless your sasuke with out of no where power ups!)

(sound) is said by shikamaru to be the best out of all the 5 senses genjutsu! the reason is it could target multiple enemies instead of one. and take it from there. these two are the main ones being used in the show so i want bring up the other senses since there is nothing to support them.

overall, even the tsukiomi cant kill some one. but is merely used to help go for the win. some one like killer bee would be protected from any tsukiomi, why? because not only does he have the 8tails to protect from all damage (octo arms and other things) and snap him out (since its 2 minds in one body. bee also has samehada who also has a separate mind that protects from all damage, pump bee with chakra to wake him up, and also heal all damage down to bee.

so please stop saying one tsukiomi wins a fight when it is a fact that it doesn't, it can lead to the victory tho. bee>>itachi any day all day!

feel free to argue, i have a lil free time. :D

Great, another one of these...Here's why Genjutsu can indeed kill you.

First of all, Genjutsu affect the brain, which in turn affects everything else in the body, via one of the five senses, Touch, Sound, Smell, Taste, and Sight.

Recently, we've been shown that Ocular (sight) Genjutsu are immensely powerful - such as Tsukuyomi - most likely because of the fact that they don't work past a certain range, due to needing eye contact.

Sound Genjutsu are said to be the most dangerous, due to the fact that they have such a long reach, and can capture multiple opponents in a single use. They would, arguably, also be the most difficult to keep yourself from falling into.

However, people constantly overlook the fact that there is another way to capture someone in a Genjutsu: proximity.

Case and point: . This Genjutsu caught multiple people at one time in it, and there is no refuting that, and here's an interesting thought - it can't be Ocular, as one person cannot make eye contact with that many people simultaneously; its highly unlikely to be taste or smell, as we've seen no Genjutsu that utilize those senses, as well as no one even mentioned a strange smell or taste; it wasn't activated by touch, and this should be fairly obvious; this leaves only Sound, but even that's highly unlikely, as no one actually heard anything - the feathers just started falling.

THEORY SECTION AHEAD: Genjutsu like this most likely work by the caster dispersing their chakra into the air. When the air is filled with their chakra, it simply diffuses into their target, effecting their chakra system, and thus capturing them in the Genjutsu. However, the range of these Genjutsu would be proportional to the amount of chakra output, thus making them activated by Proximity, not one of the five sense. END THEORY SECTION.

Now, as stated earlier, Genjutsu effect the brain, which governs the entire body. If something happens to your brain, it's not good for your body. Genjutsu, most of the time, cause varying levels of mental stress, which we know affects the body; i.e. how someone who is under a lot of mental pressure (think finals, or work related stress) tends to lack physically, due to mental exhaustion.

Genjutsu take this concept to a higher level. For the most part, what you see in these illusions may as well be real - you feel the pain that the illusion causes you, even though you're taking no physical damage.

Theoretically, if Genjutsu where used over and over, the mental stress would start to mount upon the captured, and their brain would start to fail, or fall into a comatose state, due to trying to protect itself. Once the brain goes, there goes the rest of the body.

Again, theoretically, you could cause enough mental damage to the brain that it just ceases bodily functions, and so you would stop breathing, your heart would stop pumping, etc, thus meaning that a Genjutsu can kill you.

Furthermore, you have the natural "flight-or-fight" response coming in, helping the Genjutsu along. As the body comes into certain situations, it floods the body with adrenaline, and the heart starts pumping faster and harder, to get oxygen to the extremities. This is not a state your body can stay in for prolonged periods of time, as it is actually very damaging - the "higher-than-average" strength/speed, etc that comes with it is very damaging to your muscles, your heart included.

If a Genjutsu caused enough fear, your heart may flutter due to overclocking itself, and thus you'll have a heart attack.

For the simple fact that they effect the brain, Genjutsu theoretically have more killing potential than almost any other type of jutsu. So, just because they haven't been shown to be fatal, doesn't mean they are not.

I seriously doubt - for arguments sake - that if a normal person like you or I were hit by something of the caliber of Tsukiyomi that we would live to tell the tale, especially when Itachi said that he was impressed that Kakashi had even survived his torture.
 
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i agree, 1 vs 1 my boi itachi can take out almost anyone. but bee is 3 (him, 8tails, and samehada). what i am saying, is after the 1 second, he will collapse, then same or 8tails will wake him up and get him back in the fight. itachi still has to go for the kill like jman did 3 pains with the big sword. what im saying is, bee has 2 protections that are automatic like gaaras sand to help him till he wakes up.


susanoo would get owned by full 8tails (just were itachi out), and amertatsu is a joke to bee, he lost to that move own puose to escape the village. and he can do what he did to decieve sasuke, go to the tentacle... next!!!

Well I disagree that Samehada could wake him up, the genjutsu is already over past a second, it wouls just be the mental and physical trauma that kept him unconscious. And samehada wouldn't be able to do much to protect him if he was unconscious, maybe the eight tails could but then Itachi could just use Tsukuyomi on the eight tails so that both it and Bee had been hit by it.

Also I disagree that Itachi's Susanoo would get owned by the eight-tails, Sasuke's would I 100% agree but Itachi has the Yata mirror and the Totsuka sword, if Bee went into full eight-tails mode his attack would be blocked by the Yata mirror and then he would get sealed by the Totsuka sword because he is a giant slow octopus.
 

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sasuke's tsukiyomi < Itachi's tsukiyomi regardless of opinions thinking otherwise, and sasuke is great at genjutsu don't get me wrong, he caught the raikage's bodyguard in a genjutsu and took him out of the fight, caught bee for a few seconds with his weak tsukiyomi, hes used it to beat danzo (perfect case for genjutsu being useful, if it wasn't for that danzo might have won at the end since he knew his last eye was closed)

But hes a ninjutsu specialist while itachi is a genjutsu specialist, probably the best in the world alive or dead so bee would actually be his counter for that part, being a "perfect host" means your tailed beast willingly breaks you out of genjutsu making you all but immune to genjutsu, so naruto,sasuke (having sharingan and uchiha blood) and him are really unique cases as far as genjutsu is concerned.

against 99.9% of the rest of everyone else genjutsu can easily end a fight, ask anyone on NB who is into the RP fighting if you can stun someone with a genjutsu the right way you can crush them in the 3-4 seconds they are in an illusion or recovering from the effect of the genjutsu or breaking out (almost always hurting themselves to do it) so getting hit with itachi's most powerful genjutsu and not being Sasuke, Naruto (if his new mode helps vs genjutsu) or Bee means you are at itachi's mercy for 3 days straight and with how quick it happens in real time i doubt the 8tails would be able to break it quick enough for it to have no affect.

but this is in the story so nagato and itachi will probably be both defeated next week with time to have pretty little speeches -_-

a regular gen isnt that great, someone that is a skilled ninja could break out of it by them selfs. tsukuyomi on the other hand is the best i agree. but again, you forget that tsukuyomi takes a toll agaisnt itachi for 2-5 secs or so. that could give someone with a strong will a chance to recover...



Because if you look closely Itachi didn't use Tsukuyomi on Bee, he used a regular crow genjutsu and then he activated MS and Naruto told Bee to watch out. It wasn't Tsukuyomi at all. If Bee had been hit by Tsukuyomi he would be on the ground unconscious and Itachi would win.

I don't get why everyone thinks that was Tsukuyomi, there were crows. Tsukuyomi doesn't use crows. Not that you think that but there are other people on this thread that said that.

lmao if you think the tsukuyomi would of won for itachi, when the 8tails can literally just turn bee into 8tails and fight with his own (8tails) brain while bee recovers and wake up! i didnt say anything bout the crows being tsukuyomi btw.... he is using tsukuyomi on naruto now tho..
 

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a regular gen isnt that great, someone that is a skilled ninja could break out of it by them selfs. tsukuyomi on the other hand is the best i agree. but again, you forget that tsukuyomi takes a toll agaisnt itachi for 2-5 secs or so. that could give someone with a strong will a chance to recover...





lmao if you think the tsukuyomi would of won for itachi, when the 8tails can literally just turn bee into 8tails and fight with his own (8tails) brain while bee recovers and wake up! i didnt say anything bout the crows being tsukuyomi btw.... he is using tsukuyomi on naruto now tho..

I don't think he is using Tsukuyomi, I think he is activating whatever he put into Naruto earlier when they met in the forest. And yes I do think Itachi would beat Bee with Tsukuyomi because Itachi could then just put the Hachibi under Tsukuyomi or just use Amaterasu or pull up Susanoo and stab him with the Totsuka sword and seal him away forever. The full eight tails is a pretty slow giant octopus. How would Bee win against that?
 

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You forget, genjustu CAN kill. Jiraiya/Ma/Pa trapped one of the pains within a genjutsu where he drowned. Killer Bee, although powerful- was quite a reckless fighter, and fell into Sasuke's amateresu very easily. Itachi's overall strategy of both life & combat was to stay 5 moves ahead, and normally has entire control over the situation. Itachi could take Bee, now Raikage VS Itachi would be a lot more interesting.
 

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I don't think he is using Tsukuyomi, I think he is activating whatever he put into Naruto earlier when they met in the forest. And yes I do think Itachi would beat Bee with Tsukuyomi because Itachi could then just put the Hachibi under Tsukuyomi or just use Amaterasu or pull up Susanoo and stab him with the Totsuka sword and seal him away forever. The full eight tails is a pretty slow giant octopus. How would Bee win against that?

the speed and power of V2 would ware itachi down first off. and it is a fact that itachi can not spamm any ms techs like sasuke like you make it seem like. i understand you think he is the best of all time (with minato above him to you, but i think itach can ddefeat minato btw), but him using so many ms techs will destoy him in the long run... he doesnt have the power of darkness to give him power ups like his bro ya know..
 

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Genjutsu isn't overrated to me. And anyways bee did'nt get cought in tsukuyomi.
 

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Well first off it was fun to see Itachi that humble man and he showed why he was so bad ass, but frigging Kishi had to remove him from the storyline.

Genjutsu is deadly in its own way its like what Tobi said doesn't matter how strong or weak a genjutsu is but the way you use it. Ex: Sasuke VS Danzo and how Sasuke had Danzo in a genjutsu with that eye in his arm and Danzo didn't even realize and other genjutsu really didn't work on Danzo like the one when Sasuke made Itachi appear.

As Itachi we do know his intelligence and speed is quite amazing but his stamina isn't that high, in other words last too long in battle.

But this would be pointless I mean Bee and Naruto atm can take both Nagato and Itachi out as they are being controlled behind the scene and also both Itachi and Nagato are letting them know when they are attacking like when Itachi came from behind Bee he let him know. The more suitable question/topic is wtf is up with Kabuto and his plan?
 

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the speed and power of V2 would ware itachi down first off. and it is a fact that itachi can not spamm any ms techs like sasuke like you make it seem like. i understand you think he is the best of all time (with minato above him to you, but i think itach can ddefeat minato btw), but him using so many ms techs will destoy him in the long run... he doesnt have the power of darkness to give him power ups like his bro ya know..

once uses amaterasu its done bee is nt as fast as his brother or naruto so amatersu would hit him ans he is dead
 

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itachi could also most likely finish bee of with tsukiyomi
 

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no.
Itachi didnt use tsukuyomi, hence why naruto said 'if you get hit by tsukuyomi its over.'
 
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