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74mil for De Bruyne ? Will still get dicked at Anfield.. Again.
A Joke isn't it? Now they splashed out 150 Mil for two mediocre players :lmao:

Disagreed. If properly insulated, you're surrounded with BETTER players at a bigger club. Messi wouldn't put up anywhere near the numbers he has put up in his career if he hadn't had Iniesta/Suarez/Xavi/Neymary supporting him, all world class players. It just depends on the will of the player. De Bruyne was always class. And to mount a challenge against Bayern and set assist records, that's amazing. You're acting like Wolfsburg is some small, run of the mill club. Up until 10 years ago, Chelsea were nothing. And Wolfsburg historically superior.
What are you talking about, Chelsea won alot more major trophies then Wolsburg did, even if you start counting 10 years ago. Wolfsburgs won their first major trophy in 2008 :lol

Terry came through the academy but he joined Chelseas academy from West Ham when he was 14 and was only given his chance because of a shortage of defenders. I understand that you want to see youth players come through, any fan wants that for their team so they don't have to spend ridiculous amounts of money on players but, Mourinho has always bought players to solve his problems.
Still doesn't change the fact that Terry came through our youth ranks.

It's not only Mourinho who buys players to solve his problems, it's what 98% of all big clubs do :rolleyes:
 
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Solanke and Boga must be in first team in the future.

Yes it is overpriced,He is overpriced since he is English...which is BS...still less than 70mil xd
Chelsea have a really good youth academy, with a long list of talented young players such as: Loftus-Cheek, Ake, Christensen and the ones you mentioned as well as many more but they'll all be fighting for very limited spots in the first team and with the untold money Chelsea are allowed to spend, it's always easier for them to take in-form players from other teams and slot them into their own team. For example, instead of dishing out 30-40mil for Stones, why not just develop and let the likes of Kalas or Omeruo play a few games? If they were given time to progress, they would be as good or even better than Stones is right now instead of just loaning them out around Europe but that's what kind of club Chelsea is at this point unfortunately, they buy promising young talent, let it waste away and sell them off for them to become 'stars' and buy them back, i.e. Matic.

Pogba isn't going anywhere. Definitely not to Chelsea. He's consistently said he's happy at Juventus and even asked for the number 10 shirt.
I wouldn't want Pogba to go to Chelsea either but that doesn't stop them from sniffing around and throwing a crazy amount on him to see if Juventus will bite.
 

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Morata is a hit at Juventus.. or are you implying that playing for Juve is a bad thing ?
Jese is in the starting line up last week and for the most part last season he's recovering from an injury so of course he's not playing



Proved your point ? au contraire
after Cristiano recovered from injury Jese become a regular starter upfront before that bloody injury happened in UCL,



Yeah considering most of bayern key player is injured last season, incredible feat indeed.
I'm not going to argue with you because its obvious that you're only seeing this from one angle. I will however leave you to think about this, have you not wondered why Morata left Madrid?

Hint: He said he wasn't given a chance. U_U
 

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Chelsea have a really good youth academy, with a long list of talented young players such as: Loftus-Cheek, Ake, Christensen and the ones you mentioned as well as many more but they'll all be fighting for very limited spots in the first team and with the untold money Chelsea are allowed to spend, it's always easier for them to take in-form players from other teams and slot them into their own team. For example, instead of dishing out 30-40mil for Stones, why not just develop and let the likes of Kalas or Omeruo play a few games? If they were given time to progress, they would be as good or even better than Stones is right now instead of just loaning them out around Europe but that's what kind of club Chelsea is at this point unfortunately, they buy promising young talent, let it waste away and sell them off for them to become 'stars' and buy them back, i.e. Matic.



I wouldn't want Pogba to go to Chelsea either but that doesn't stop them from sniffing around and throwing a crazy amount on him to see if Juventus will bite.
We already rejected an 80 million Euro bid from Barcelona. We don't need to sell. We're one of the richest clubs in the world and consistently win.
 

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I'm not going to argue with you because its obvious that you're only seeing this from one angle. I will however leave you to think about this, have you not wondered why Morata left Madrid?

Hint: He said he wasn't given a chance. U_U
Am i looking at it from 1 angle ? so are you.. we are both part of the same hypocrisy,

Hint : Mourinho wasn't there when he transfer to Juventus..
 

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Chelsea have a really good youth academy, with a long list of talented young players such as: Loftus-Cheek, Ake, Christensen and the ones you mentioned as well as many more but they'll all be fighting for very limited spots in the first team and with the untold money Chelsea are allowed to spend, it's always easier for them to take in-form players from other teams and slot them into their own team. For example, instead of dishing out 30-40mil for Stones, why not just develop and let the likes of Kalas or Omeruo play a few games? If they were given time to progress, they would be as good or even better than Stones is right now instead of just loaning them out around Europe but that's what kind of club Chelsea is at this point unfortunately, they buy promising young talent, let it waste away and sell them off for them to become 'stars' and buy them back, i.e. Matic.



I wouldn't want Pogba to go to Chelsea either but that doesn't stop them from sniffing around and throwing a crazy amount on him to see if Juventus will bite.
Since Kalas and Omeruo are not that quality to play so regulary.Look at Zouma,ppl thought he won't be playing at all and look he starts in fron t of Terry....I mean...Mou clearly wants to give youth a chance now.
 

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Doesn't change the fact that he was the worst player in a game against the 2nd divison team.Of course if he don't preform he didn't play not only that he didn't even train well which was stated from Mourinho.

I know everything what u said...and do u really think De Bruyne cost this much? They are just pumping his price up...West Ham bought Payet who was the best chance maker in TOP 5 leagues if Im not wrong for under than 20mil.

Chelsea has the best academy in England and u can say whatever u want.Won every title that they could and won Youth Champions League...The players as Solanke,Loftus-Cheek,Boga,Brown will get their chance for sure.Solanke scored last season 40goals for the youth team same goes with Abraham.80 goals between 2 players.Mou must be nuts if he don't give them a chance.
He barely played matches and in one of the first he even became Man of the Match or something. You really can't determine the value of a player based on a single match.

And you need to be really careful with what Mourinho says. World class trainer, but for him the media and interviews are just tools to be used. What he says is most of the time accusations and jabs towards everyone.

Academies and first teams are world's apart. In fact I have seen the -13 years of Chelsea a few times. Granted we're talking about kids here, but they weren't all that impressive.

I know LOL Im just saying that this is getting ridiculous with the prices...De Bruyne is a good player and everything but oh my u guys are picturing him as one of the best players in the world...It's easy to play in a "smaller" club than in a bigger one...U don't get the pressure when u play bad.In bigger teams u are pretty much out if u play bad...
I never said the was the best player in the world. But we do are talking about the person who was officially chosen as the best player in the Bundesliga during the past season. His statistics were off the charts. So the best player of the Bundesliga should cost something you know.

Ridiculous prices really doesn't have much to do with De Bruyne, that's the entire football circus. Di Maria went for something like 75m to United last year. His value dropped nearly 25m and he left after one season to PSG. I doubt he became that much worse, but because he didn't immediately preform well, they already let him go. This is something that appears a lot with English teams: they expect that you, as an individual, immediately make the difference. I always found that contradictory to the fact that this is a team sport. In Germany they really make machines out of their teams. That's why I never understood in the first place as why KDB went to Chelsea in the first place. He's type that thrives into that German system, he's someone who works extremely well with other players, an ability that isn't valued as much as it should be these days and certainly not by Mourinho.

KDB is a player that needs to play frequently and in succession and not a player that you irregularly set on a field. Hence why I also preferred Bayern instead over City.
 

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He barely played matches and in one of the first he even became Man of the Match or something. You really can't determine the value of a player based on a single match.

And you need to be really careful with what Mourinho says. World class trainer, but for him the media and interviews are just tools to be used. What he says is most of the time accusations and jabs towards everyone.

Academies and first teams are world's apart. In fact I have seen the -13 years of Chelsea a few times. Granted we're talking about kids here, but they weren't all that impressive.



I never said the was the best player in the world. But we do are talking about the person who was officially chosen as the best player in the Bundesliga during the past season. His statistics were off the charts. So the best player of the Bundesliga should cost something you know.

Ridiculous prices really doesn't have much to do with De Bruyne, that's the entire football circus. Di Maria went for something like 75m to United last year. His value dropped nearly 25m and he left after one season to PSG. I doubt he became that much worse, but because he didn't immediately preform well, they already let him go. This is something that appears a lot with English teams: they expect that you, as an individual, immediately make the difference. I always found that contradictory to the fact that this is a team sport. In Germany they really make machines out of their teams. That's why I never understood in the first place as why KDB went to Chelsea in the first place. He's type that thrives into that German system, he's someone who works extremely well with other players, an ability that isn't valued as much as it should be these days and certainly not by Mourinho.

KDB is a player that needs to play frequently and in succession and not a player that you irregularly set on a field. Hence why I also preferred Bayern instead over City.
So that's what im talking in bigger clubs if u don't preform u are out of the team simple as that.That's why Werder and Wolfsburg are the best teams for him and Bundesliga also.He is a good player no question about it.In all games KDB played in Chelsea he played bad.Only in preseason he was decent,hence Marko Marin was good in preseason against shitty clubs and he was bad in Premier League...

Who do u support u didn't answer me Cali XD
 

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So that's what im talking in bigger clubs if u don't preform u are out of the team simple as that.That's why Werder and Wolfsburg are the best teams for him and Bundesliga also.He is a good player no question about it.In all games KDB played in Chelsea he played bad.Only in preseason he was decent,hence Marko Marin was good in preseason against shitty clubs and he was bad in Premier League...

Who do u support u didn't answer me Cali XD
That hasn't anything in particular to do with being a big club unless you're going to call Bayern and Dortmund small clubs. Yes Dortmund had a bad season, but so did Manchester two seasons ago. Originally Dortmund wanted to take over KDB from Chelsea, Klopp had even given a guarantee that the entire team would by in sync with KDB, however Mourinho blocked him, resulting in him wasting a year on Chelsea's bench before leaving for Wolfsburg.

This is a difference in mentality, not in the size of the club. If you have an entire team where they all are playing to preform for their own individual quota, then players who function the best in a cohesive team will fall out.

Btw this is also how Germany became world champion. Frankly you can be nearly certain that if KDB had been German, the dude would be in their team.

And I don't support anyone in particular, I'm just cheering for any team that has Belgians in them and hoping that all the Belgian teams in Europe preform well.
 

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That hasn't anything in particular to do with being a big club unless you're going to call Bayern and Dortmund small clubs. Yes Dortmund had a bad season, but so did Manchester two seasons ago. Originally Dortmund wanted to take over KDB from Chelsea, Klopp had even given a guarantee that the entire team would by in sync with KDB, however Mourinho blocked him, resulting in him wasting a year on Chelsea's bench before leaving for Wolfsburg.

This is a difference in mentality, not in the size of the club. If you have an entire team where they all are playing to preform for their own individual quota, then players who function the best in a cohesive team will fall out.

Btw this is also how Germany became world champion. Frankly you can be nearly certain that if KDB had been German, the dude would be in their team.

And I don't support anyone in particular, I'm just cheering for any team that has Belgians in them and hoping that all the Belgian teams in Europe preform well.
It is a matter of a club.In Chelsea he didn't have the freedom he had in Werder or in Wolfsburg.He was their best player so he had freedom in the team.

The difference is big clubs won't appreciate bad play.Chelsea and United are winning title clubs,KDB was bad = dropped,Di Maria was bad = dropped.These clubs expect something from players whoever they are.KDB was under pressure and he didn't train well so he was loaned aka sold to bundesliga team.Werder and Wolfsburg are Champion League/Europa League spot team not title contenders...KDB had 3 games to preform in Chelsea and in all 3 was the worst player.Maybe it's injury which made him under pressure to preform well or idk.

LVG clearly didn't like how Di Maria played...same goes to Falcao and they were dropped.Now Let's say 1 season ago someone told u they would move to United and they would play like shit would u believe them? No cause u expect from them to play good.

I know KDB came from Genk and weren't shining in a big league but he came inform from Genk and disappointed.

Mourinho saw something in KDB and wanted him to preform but he didn't.In matter of fact he didn't even try in training and of course me must have been loaned or sold.

Again Im not saying KDB is a bad player he is a good player but nothing else than that untill he proves himself on a big stage.

Take Andy Caroll for example.Was a good player in Newcastle and came to better club Liverpool and didn't preform.It's easier to play in a smaller club than bigger one...

Or Cabaye...u get the idea..
 
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CL 2015/2016

Group A
Paris Saint-Germain
Real Madrid
Shakhtar Donetsk
Malmö FF

Group B
PSV Eindhoven
Manchester United
CSKA Moscow
VFL Wolfsburg

Group C
Benfica Lissabon
Atletico Madrid
Galatasaray S.K.
FC Astana

Group D
Juventus Turin
Manchester City
Sevillia FC
Borussia Mönchengladbach

Group E
FC Barcelona
Bayer 04 Leverkusen
AS Roma
BATE Borisov

Group F
Bayern Munich
Arsenal FC
Olympiakos Piräus
GNK Dinamo Zagreb

Group G
Chelsea FC
FC Porto
Dynamo Kiev
Maccabi Tel Aviv

Group H
Zenit St. Petersburg
Valencia CF
Olympique Lyonnais
K.A.A. Gent
 

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Messi won the UEFA European player of the year 2014/15, and here are the votes of 54 delegates of each country in Europe:

Messi - 49 votes

Suarez - 3 votes

Ronaldo - 2 votes

Here is the link:



And about the UCL group, I'm glad Barcelona finally picked up a group with weaker teams, seeing how many injured/banned players we have a weaker group is definitely necessary, at least until January when we get our new reinforcements to finally play.
 
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