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[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Talking about united, they really should let De Gea go....

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[loj]

That's not how it works. The market value of a player continuously shifts, frankly a player market pretty much functions the same way like the stock market.

The individual quality of the player is only half the thing. What's evenly important, or even more, is the context in which he plays.

When Chelsea bought Hazard he was very young, playing for Lille a French sub team and the only competition he was familiar with, was the French one. De Bruyne currently has played in Belgium, England and Germany and he crucial in winning prizes in both Belgium and Germany. He currently holds the record of having given the most assists in one season in Germany, he nearly single handedly made Wolfsburg vice champion, lead them to the Pokal and the Champion's league. He was involved in more than half of the actions that lead to their goals. They chose him as the best player of the Bundesliga which forms with the Primera Division and the Premier League the three largest football competitions in Europe.

Pedro then played as far as I know nearly his entire life for Barcelona where he almost always functioned as a super sub. The situations of both Pedro and Hazard at the moment they transferred, were quite different from that of De Bruyne. If someone would try to buy Hazard right now, it's probably going to be a lot more than 55m.

I know all that...but mate one Ronaldo costed 70mil when sold to RM and we are talking about De Bruyne here.Sure he was a massive player for Wolfsburg last season but can he keep that form in Premier League? It's a different league....One Di Maria couldn't keep with it.And we all know how good Di Maria was.Wolfsburg is milking money here out of City.Fair enough it's not like City cares about money anyways...

Anyways who do u support? If I may ask?

Top teams in the near future??
I guess, it's going to be Juventus, Bayern, Chelsea, Madrid and Barcelona or United.
One might call me biased for putting United there, but frankly speaking we have some really formidable youth talents.
Depay will be at his prime at that point of time(provided that Madrid or some else won't snatch him). Shaw, Darmian, Wilson, Janujaz, schneiderlin(I am expecting him to grow even further) and many others.

Going with Chelsea not just cause Im a fan of then I just belive they have the best team to do so.Especially with the academy players.

 

[Corazon]

That De Bruyne in Chelsea couldn't play against 2nd divison club.

And 74mil is a joke.Chelsea bought Pedro and Hazard for 55min all together and both are better players than De Bruyne.

Bundesliga is a wonder league for him.

That's not a fair assessment of De Bruyne at all, you're evaluating him on a few games that were scattered around. He was never given a chance at Chelsea and its not easy to be at your best when you're just being thrown into the team and be expected to perform, you have to be given a proper run of games for you to get familiarized with the way your teammates operate. Also comparing him with Hazard is unfair, when Chelsea spent 30m on Hazard there was a huge risk that he could just as easily flop. He performed well yes but he did so in a French league that wasn't competitive, PSG were just starting their rise up while Lyon and Marseille were struggling at the time. Chelsea paid 30m for what he could become rather than what he was because when they bought him, he was far from the finished product (similarly to what Man City have done with Raheem Sterling).

With Pedro you have to take into account his age, he's 28 so he's reaching the end of his prime. If Chelsea tried to buy him even a year ago, they would have had to fork out atleast 40m because he's a proven player for one of the best clubs in the world and he's performed on the biggest stages in football but a year makes a huge difference in football.

De Bruyne performed outstandingly in a competitive league with world class players, the team that won league have multiple world cup winners and he outperformed every one of them and lead a team that were struggling to second place, ahead of teams like Leverkusen and Dortmand. There's also the fact the he's still very young and has atleast 6-8 years of his best football ahead of him.

Top teams in the near future??
I guess, it's going to be Juventus, Bayern, Chelsea, Madrid and Barcelona or United.
One might call me biased for putting United there, but frankly speaking we have some really formidable youth talents.
Depay will be at his prime at that point of time(provided that Madrid or some else won't snatch him). Shaw, Darmian, Wilson, Janujaz, schneiderlin(I am expecting him to grow even further) and many others.

Like Cali said, United aren't producing results and the reason for that is not only does the manager not know his players best positions, the players themselves don't know their best positions. Rooney was a good striker 3-4 years ago but, over the past few years he's lost a yard of pace and his positioning is horrendous. When playing as the focal point of a team, you don't drop into midfield to receive the ball because the team is left with no1 in the opponents half to begin the attack. He's best position is and always will be as a no.10 but, the problem with this is that United already possess a world class no.10 in Juan Mata who the manager is also playing out of position. The there's Januzaj who is not a no.10 playing as a no.10, the entire attack is playing in wrong positions. This creates several problems for the team when things aren't going well because these players will often drift out of position to receive the ball to try and make something happen which leaves the rest of the team exposed.

Moving into midfield, because the players ahead of them are constantly moving around, they're left open to attack and they lack any kind of pace so they're forced to make rash challenges and get booked. This means that they then have to be careful not to get booked for the rest of the game which allows attackers to run at them because they're aware that they won't be challenged and have a free run at the defense.

Defense time lol, Blind isnt central defender in any world. I actually feel sorry for this guy, he was bought as a left back and they turned him into a Defensive Midfielder and now a Central Defender. He's not sure of his natural position and even when he is starting to get to grips with it, he's moved to a new position.

The entire team is in shambles, the manager doesn't even know what type of player he needs to buy, he just says he needs a world class player. A world class what, striker, goalkeeper, winger? Now he's planning to play Fellaini as a striker, no offense to Fellaini but, no way in hell he's a striker. His best position for Everton was as a deep lying midfielder making late runs into the box. If United are to even get into the top 4, the manager needs to figure out what's the players best positions instead of buying more players and creating more problems.

I know all that...but mate one Ronaldo costed 70mil when sold to RM and we are talking about De Bruyne here.Sure he was a massive player for Wolfsburg last season but can he keep that form in Premier League? It's a different league....One Di Maria couldn't keep with it.And we all know how good Di Maria was.Wolfsburg is milking money here out of City.Fair enough it's not like City cares about money anyways...

Anyways who do u support? If I may ask?




Going with Chelsea not just cause Im a fan of then I just belive they have the best team to do so.Especially with the academy players.

Ronaldo was sold for 80m and the market is very different now than it was then. Just look at Bale for the perfect example, in what world is he better than Ronaldo? None. The reason is because the market in inflated nowadays and mediocre players are sold for hefty price tags.

Chelsea and academy players? They don't give the youth players a chance, they give them a game or two sporadically and then chuck them to the side. Mourinho has never given youth players a chance at any club he's been at, even at Madrid where he had amazing youth talents like Jese. He gave him a few games and now you don't even hear of him.

 

[loj]

That's not a fair assessment of De Bruyne at all, you're evaluating him on a few games that were scattered around. He was never given a chance at Chelsea and its not easy to be at your best when you're just being thrown into the team and be expected to perform, you have to be given a proper run of games for you to get familiarized with the way your teammates operate. Also comparing him with Hazard is unfair, when Chelsea spent 30m on Hazard there was a huge risk that he could just as easily flop. He performed well yes but he did so in a French league that wasn't competitive, PSG were just starting their rise up while Lyon and Marseille were struggling at the time. Chelsea paid 30m for what he could become rather than what he was because when they bought him, he was far from the finished product (similarly to what Man City have done with Raheem Sterling).

With Pedro you have to take into account his age, he's 28 so he's reaching the end of his prime. If Chelsea tried to buy him even a year ago, they would have had to fork out atleast 40m because he's a proven player for one of the best clubs in the world and he's performed on the biggest stages in football but a year makes a huge difference in football.

De Bruyne performed outstandingly in a competitive league with world class players, the team that won league have multiple world cup winners and he outperformed every one of them and lead a team that were struggling to second place, ahead of teams like Leverkusen and Dortmand. There's also the fact the he's still very young and has atleast 6-8 years of his best football ahead of him.



Like Cali said, United aren't producing results and the reason for that is not only does the manager not know his players best positions, the players themselves don't know their best positions. Rooney was a good striker 3-4 years ago but, over the past few years he's lost a yard of pace and his positioning is horrendous. When playing as the focal point of a team, you don't drop into midfield to receive the ball because the team is left with no1 in the opponents half to begin the attack. He's best position is and always will be as a no.10 but, the problem with this is that United already possess a world class no.10 in Juan Mata who the manager is also playing out of position. The there's Januzaj who is not a no.10 playing as a no.10, the entire attack is playing in wrong positions. This creates several problems for the team when things aren't going well because these players will often drift out of position to receive the ball to try and make something happen which leaves the rest of the team exposed.

Moving into midfield, because the players ahead of them are constantly moving around, they're left open to attack and they lack any kind of pace so they're forced to make rash challenges and get booked. This means that they then have to be careful not to get booked for the rest of the game which allows attackers to run at them because they're aware that they won't be challenged and have a free run at the defense.

Defense time lol, Blind isnt central defender in any world. I actually feel sorry for this guy, he was bought as a left back and they turned him into a Defensive Midfielder and now a Central Defender. He's not sure of his natural position and even when he is starting to get to grips with it, he's moved to a new position.

The entire team is in shambles, the manager doesn't even know what type of player he needs to buy, he just says he needs a world class player. A world class what, striker, goalkeeper, winger? Now he's planning to play Fellaini as a striker, no offense to Fellaini but, no way in hell he's a striker. His best position for Everton was as a deep lying midfielder making late runs into the box. If United are to even get into the top 4, the manager needs to figure out what's the players best positions instead of buying more players and creating more problems.



Ronaldo was sold for 80m and the market is very different now than it was then. Just look at Bale for the perfect example, in what world is he better than Ronaldo? None. The reason is because the market in inflated nowadays and mediocre players are sold for hefty price tags.

Chelsea and academy players? They don't give the youth players a chance, they give them a game or two sporadically and then chuck them to the side. Mourinho has never given youth players a chance at any club he's been at, even at Madrid where he had amazing youth talents like Jese. He gave him a few games and now you don't even hear of him.

Doesn't change the fact that he was the worst player in a game against the 2nd divison team.Of course if he don't preform he didn't play not only that he didn't even train well which was stated from Mourinho.

I know everything what u said...and do u really think De Bruyne cost this much? They are just pumping his price up...West Ham bought Payet who was the best chance maker in TOP 5 leagues if Im not wrong for under than 20mil.

Chelsea has the best academy in England and u can say whatever u want.Won every title that they could and won Youth Champions League...The players as Solanke,Loftus-Cheek,Boga,Brown will get their chance for sure.Solanke scored last season 40goals for the youth team same goes with Abraham.80 goals between 2 players.Mou must be nuts if he don't give them a chance.

 

[David1996]

74mil for De Bruyne ? Will still get dicked at Anfield.. Again.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Mourinho has never given youth players a chance at any club he's been at, even at Madrid where he had amazing youth talents like Jese. He gave him a few games and now you don't even hear of him.

Are you serious ? Morata and Jese have Mourinho to thanks for their current predicament,

and what do you mean by " Now you dont even heard anything from Jese ? " that boy literally carried real madrid when Cristiano is injured and he was an important part of the team before that idiotic player from Schalke injured him and get sidelined for nearly a year,

I think people give to much credit for this De Bruyne kid, during his spell at chelsea he keep sulking about not being played for a few games and crying for a transfer instead of trying to work his way into the starting line up....

And getting Wolfsburg into a 2nd place against the likes of Leverkusen and Struggling Dortmund in a one horsed league is not something worth bragging.

 

[Gatsndshanks]

I know all that...but mate one Ronaldo costed 70mil when sold to RM and we are talking about De Bruyne here.Sure he was a massive player for Wolfsburg last season but can he keep that form in Premier League? It's a different league....One Di Maria couldn't keep with it.And we all know how good Di Maria was.Wolfsburg is milking money here out of City.Fair enough it's not like City cares about money anyways...

There are many different factors going into the player's value. Like Caliburn said, he single-handedly spearheaded one of their best seasons in recent years and to wolfsburg at this point, he is invaluable and so putting a value on him as high as 70mil would deter buyers but also if someone were to pay that much money for him, they would be in a better shape to buy someone of equal level of De Bruyne and also invest in the future. Besides, he was only signed in the january transfer window of 2014 for €25mil and naturally would want a hefty profit to sell them to the club he came from, especially given he's only been there for one season.

His current market value is around €40-45mil but his contract with Wolfsburg expires in 2019. Contract lengths are another main factor in transfer values. Wolfsburg know they do not need to sell De Bruyne for another 3 years and with each year that passes, his value would go down due to the uncertainty of if he will sign a new contract and getting the best value out of the transfer. So depending on how much time a player has remaining on their contract, the more money they can put on the price tag.

De Bruyne was also never given a real chance to mature into the premier league while at Chelsea. Throughout his time in Chelsea (which was two years), he was only given three games. Three games. The rest of the time, he was on loan at Genk and Werder Bremen which allowed him to work on his game and get to where he is now. Chelsea are renowned for being horrible with their youth players, they just ship them off to one of their affiliated clubs like Vitesse and see how it goes and If they don't have enough room for them in the team, they sell them on and all-in-all make a profit.

 

[loj]

There are many different factors going into the player's value. Like Caliburn said, he single-handedly spearheaded one of their best seasons in recent years and to wolfsburg at this point, he is invaluable and so putting a value on him as high as 70mil would deter buyers but also if someone were to pay that much money for him, they would be in a better shape to buy someone of equal level of De Bruyne and also invest in the future. Besides, he was only signed in the january transfer window of 2014 for €25mil and naturally would want a hefty profit to sell them to the club he came from, especially given he's only been there for one season.

His current market value is around €40-45mil but his contract with Wolfsburg expires in 2019. Contract lengths are another main factor in transfer values. Wolfsburg know they do not need to sell De Bruyne for another 3 years and with each year that passes, his value would go down due to the uncertainty of if he will sign a new contract and getting the best value out of the transfer. So depending on how much time a player has remaining on their contract, the more money they can put on the price tag.

De Bruyne was also never given a real chance to mature into the premier league while at Chelsea. Throughout his time in Chelsea (which was two years), he was only given three games. Three games. The rest of the time, he was on loan at Genk and Werder Bremen which allowed him to work on his game and get to where he is now. Chelsea are renowned for being horrible with their youth players, they just ship them off to one of their affiliated clubs like Vitesse and see how it goes and If they don't have enough room for them in the team, they sell them on and all-in-all make a profit.

I know LOL Im just saying that this is getting ridiculous with the prices...De Bruyne is a good player and everything but oh my u guys are picturing him as one of the best players in the world...It's easy to play in a "smaller" club than in a bigger one...U don't get the pressure when u play bad.In bigger teams u are pretty much out if u play bad...

 

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I know LOL Im just saying that this is getting ridiculous with the prices...De Bruyne is a good player and everything but oh my u guys are picturing him as one of the best players in the world...It's easy to play in a "smaller" club then in a bigger one...U don't get the pressure when u play bad.In bigger teams u are pretty much out if u play bad...

Disagreed. If properly insulated, you're surrounded with BETTER players at a bigger club. Messi wouldn't put up anywhere near the numbers he has put up in his career if he hadn't had Iniesta/Suarez/Xavi/Neymary supporting him, all world class players. It just depends on the will of the player. De Bruyne was always class. And to mount a challenge against Bayern and set assist records, that's amazing. You're acting like Wolfsburg is some small, run of the mill club. Up until 10 years ago, Chelsea were nothing. And Wolfsburg historically superior.

 

[loj]

Disagreed. If properly insulated, you're surrounded with BETTER players at a bigger club. Messi wouldn't put up anywhere near the numbers he has put up in his career if he hadn't had Iniesta/Suarez/Xavi/Neymary supporting him, all world class players. It just depends on the will of the player. De Bruyne was always class. And to mount a challenge against Bayern and set assist records, that's amazing. You're acting like Wolfsburg is some small, run of the mill club. Up until 10 years ago, Chelsea were nothing. And Wolfsburg historically superior.

And lol on Messi part,Messi is the best ever...No matter what players he has around he will still be class.

Of course he is the best player in Wolfsburg since there is no world class players there...It's easier to cope with pressure in smaller clubs than bigger ones...

In Chelsea he was expected to play good but he played bad.He didn't even train good...3 games and in all 3 worst player.U won't play like that in a club which has Mourinho as trainer...That's why he was good in Werder and Wolfsburg.He didn't have the pressure...

We are talking about present not past time...I don't care what happened in the past.In the past Milan was too good now they are shit,the past won't win them titles...

 

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Of course he is the best player in Wolfsburg since there is no world class players there...It's easier to cope with pressure in smaller clubs than bigger ones...

In Chelsea he was expected to play good but he played bad.He didn't even train good...3 games and in all 3 worst player.U won't play like that in a club which has Mourinho as trainer...That's why he was good in Werder and Wolfsburg.He didn't have the pressure...

We are talking about present not past time...I don't care what happened in the past.In the past Milan was too good now they are shit,the past won't win them titles...

That wasn't my point. Wolfsburg still isn't a small club. And Mourinho is notorious for alienating youth players and not giving them chances. Everywhere he goes, Inter, Real, Chelsea, he always spends. He's still one of the best tacticians of all time, but he's horrible at developing players. Trust me, any team would kill to have KDB in their team. He's a wide ranging threat, not just a pure playmaker. That's what makes him so good. Give him a great striker to feed (in this instance we're theorizing Aguero) and he'll look even better. Have a better midfield behind him to get him the ball more? Even better.

 

[Corazon]

Doesn't change the fact that he was the worst player in a game against the 2nd divison team.Of course if he don't preform he didn't play not only that he didn't even train well which was stated from Mourinho.

I know everything what u said...and do u really think De Bruyne cost this much? They are just pumping his price up...West Ham bought Payet who was the best chance maker in TOP 5 leagues if Im not wrong for under than 20mil.

Chelsea has the best academy in England and u can say whatever u want.Won every title that they could and won Youth Champions League...The players as Solanke,Loftus-Cheek,Boga,Brown will get their chance for sure.Solanke scored last season 40goals for the youth team same goes with Abraham.80 goals between 2 players.Mou must be nuts if he don't give them a chance.

No I don't think he's worth 50m pounds but like I said, they are paying for what they think he will become, which is world class. Comparing him with Payet doesn't prove anything, the French league is mediocre.

Having the best academy means nothing. When was the last time a Chelsea youth player came into the first team and made that place their own? Lampard and co didn't come through their academy, they were bought at a young age. Do you think Mourinho is going to put those players ahead of Costa and Falcao (who they paying shit loads of money to warm the bench)?

Are you serious ? Morata and Jese have Mourinho to thanks for their current predicament,

and what do you mean by " Now you dont even heard anything from Jese ? " that boy literally carried real madrid when Cristiano is injured and he was an important part of the team before that idiotic player from Schalke injured him and get sidelined for nearly a year,

I think people give to much credit for this De Bruyne kid, during his spell at chelsea he keep sulking about not being played for a few games and crying for a transfer instead of trying to work his way into the starting line up....

And getting Wolfsburg into a 2nd place against the likes of Leverkusen and Struggling Dortmund in a one horsed league is not something worth bragging.

Current predicament? Morata is at Juventus and Jese doesn't get a game unless a few players are injured.

@bold: you just proved my point, the only reason he was given a chance was because Ronaldo was injured and they had no other wingers at the time. He took his chance, he wasn't given one because Mourinho thought he deserved it, it was down to Ronaldo being injured/suspended.

Its true Bayern dominated the league but he was the best player in the league, better than all of Bayerns players as well. Its what he accomplished as an individual as well as what his team achieved.

 

[loj]

That wasn't my point. Wolfsburg still isn't a small club. And Mourinho is notorious for alienating youth players and not giving them chances. Everywhere he goes, Inter, Real, Chelsea, he always spends. He's still one of the best tacticians of all time, but he's horrible at developing players. Trust me, any team would kill to have KDB in their team. He's a wide ranging threat, not just a pure playmaker. That's what makes him so good. Give him a great striker to feed (in this instance we're theorizing Aguero) and he'll look even better. Have a better midfield behind him to get him the ball more? Even better.

He doesn't spend as much as he did before now.
I never said he is a bad player but he is getting pretty overrated...When he comes and if he comes to Premier League we'll see.

No I don't think he's worth 50m pounds but like I said, they are paying for what they think he will become, which is world class. Comparing him with Payet doesn't prove anything, the French league is mediocre.

Having the best academy means nothing. When was the last time a Chelsea youth player came into the first team and made that place their own? Lampard and co didn't come through their academy, they were bought at a young age. Do you think Mourinho is going to put those players ahead of Costa and Falcao (who they paying shit loads of money to warm the bench)?



Current predicament? Morata is at Juventus and Jese doesn't get a game unless a few players are injured.

@bold: you just proved my point, the only reason he was given a chance was because Ronaldo was injured and they had no other wingers at the time. He took his chance, he wasn't given one because Mourinho thought he deserved it, it was down to Ronaldo being injured/suspended.

Its true Bayern dominated the league but he was the best player in the league, better than all of Bayerns players as well. Its what he accomplished as an individual as well as what his team achieved.

Falcao is warming bench anyways...
Terry one of the best defenders ever in Premier League came from academy.Im sure Mourinho will give them a chance and even he said so this time.

 

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He doesn't spend as much as he did before now.
I never said he is a bad player but he is getting pretty overrated...When he comes and if he comes to Premier League we'll see.

That's not my point. Everywhere Mourinho has gone he just spends instead of developing his own team's identity.

He went to Inter, inherited a good squad, spent some more and won the treble. Both times he went to Chelsea he's done this (you can check the figures for this). And he spent right when he got to Real Madrid as well. I respect him as a coach because he knows what it takes to win, but his brand of football is particularly boring and he doesn't really have any talent in developing players.

That's why I rate Allegri, Simeone and Klopp on a higher level. All tactically amazing, but at the same time, took time to develop their young players and continue to do so (well, Klopp is on a break, but still).

KDB isn't overrated. He'd outplayed EVERYONE in the Bundesliga. Even better than any Bayern player last season. His achievements were his own and he deserves it.

 

[Gatsndshanks]

I know LOL Im just saying that this is getting ridiculous with the prices...De Bruyne is a good player and everything but oh my u guys are picturing him as one of the best players in the world...It's easy to play in a "smaller" club than in a bigger one...U don't get the pressure when u play bad.In bigger teams u are pretty much out if u play bad...

I wouldn't call Wolfsburg a "smaller" club. They have a really good team as of right now and can certainly build on last season and gain momentum for the years to come if they keep their key players like De Bruyne playing at a top level - a reason why they want to keep hold of him and slap a ridiculous price on him . I think that you might possibly underestimate the Bundesliga since Bayern Munich runs away with the league most of the time. Munich are a super team, there's no doubt about that but the Bundesliga is rife with good teams like Wolfsburg, Dortmund, Leverkusen, Schalke and with emerging teams such as Monchengladbach and Hoffenheim whom all battle it out for the champions league prizes and the Pokal. Maybe they're not world beaters like Munich, Madrid and Barcelona but still good teams with good players.

 

[loj]

That's not my point. Everywhere Mourinho has gone he just spends instead of developing his own team's identity.

He went to Inter, inherited a good squad, spent some more and won the treble. Both times he went to Chelsea he's done this (you can check the figures for this). And he spent right when he got to Real Madrid as well. I respect him as a coach because he knows what it takes to win, but his brand of football is particularly boring and he doesn't really have any talent in developing players.

That's why I rate Allegri, Simeone and Klopp on a higher level. All tactically amazing, but at the same time, took time to develop their young players and continue to do so (well, Klopp is on a break, but still).

KDB isn't overrated. He'd outplayed EVERYONE in the Bundesliga. Even better than any Bayern player last season. His achievements were his own and he deserves it.

I know he spends but not as much now.

I wouldn't call Wolfsburg a "smaller" club. They have a really good team as of right now and can certainly build on last season and gain momentum for the years to come if they keep their key players like De Bruyne playing at a top level - a reason why they want to keep hold of him and slap a ridiculous price on him . I think that you might possibly underestimate the Bundesliga since Bayern Munich runs away with the league most of the time. Munich are a super team, there's no doubt about that but the Bundesliga is rife with good teams like Wolfsburg, Dortmund, Leverkusen, Schalke and with emerging teams such as Monchengladbach and Hoffenheim whom all battle it out for the champions league prizes and the Pokal. Maybe they're not world beaters like Munich, Madrid and Barcelona but still good teams with good players.

Well compared to other teams in europe they are smaller.Speaking of likes of Barca,Madrid,Munich,Juve,Chelsea,United...

 

[Gatsndshanks]

I know he spends but not as much now.

And that's why he's reported to be spending £70m on Paul Pogba and will probably match Roberto Martinez's asking price of £45m for John Stones.

 

[Corazon]

Falcao is warming bench anyways...
Terry one of the best defenders ever in Premier League came from academy.Im sure Mourinho will give them a chance and even he said so this time.

Falcao is warming the bench but do you think he will be behind youth players? Not a chance.

Terry came through the academy but he joined Chelseas academy from West Ham when he was 14 and was only given his chance because of a shortage of defenders. I understand that you want to see youth players come through, any fan wants that for their team so they don't have to spend ridiculous amounts of money on players but, Mourinho has always bought players to solve his problems.

You're saying that De Bruyne is overpriced yet Chelsea have had a 30m bid for John Stones turned down. Isn't that overpriced? I mean what has he done to deserve such a hefty fee.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Current predicament? Morata is at Juventus and Jese doesn't get a game unless a few players are injured.

Morata is a hit at Juventus.. or are you implying that playing for Juve is a bad thing ?
Jese is in the starting line up last week and for the most part last season he's recovering from an injury so of course he's not playing

@bold: you just proved my point, the only reason he was given a chance was because Ronaldo was injured and they had no other wingers at the time. He took his chance, he wasn't given one because Mourinho thought he deserved it, it was down to Ronaldo being injured/suspended.

Proved your point ? au contraire
after Cristiano recovered from injury Jese become a regular starter upfront before that bloody injury happened in UCL,

Its true Bayern dominated the league but he was the best player in the league, better than all of Bayerns players as well. Its what he accomplished as an individual as well as what his team achieved.

Yeah considering most of bayern key player is injured last season, incredible feat indeed.

And he spent right when he got to Real Madrid as well.

You might want to check that statement again,
the only player that he bought at real Madrid that is considered as overpriced is Modric for 30m Pounds, and we all know Modric cost more than that,

Khedira and Ozil is very very cheap.

 

[loj]

And that's why he's reported to be spending £70m on Paul Pogba and will probably match Roberto Martinez's asking price of £45m for John Stones.

We'll see.Stones thing is getting out of control...

Falcao is warming the bench but do you think he will be behind youth players? Not a chance.

Terry came through the academy but he joined Chelseas academy from West Ham when he was 14 and was only given his chance because of a shortage of defenders. I understand that you want to see youth players come through, any fan wants that for their team so they don't have to spend ridiculous amounts of money on players but, Mourinho has always bought players to solve his problems.

You're saying that De Bruyne is overpriced yet Chelsea have had a 30m bid for John Stones turned down. Isn't that overpriced? I mean what has he done to deserve such a hefty fee.

Solanke and Boga must be in first team in the future.

Yes it is overpriced,He is overpriced since he is English...which is BS...still less than 70mil xd