[VS] Gamma knifed Doflamingo vs Law

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Laws haki being > Doflamingos doesn't sound right at all, if anything the only reason the sword cut through Doflamingos Haki is because Doflamingo kept increasing his grip on it. Also Doflamingos strings weren't coated in Haki in that panel, though it could have been the invisible CoA.

It happened inside room so it wasn't necessarily because law has better COA or the increase in grip.

 

[Punk Hazard]

It happened inside room so it wasn't necessarily because law has better COA or the increase in grip.

The cuts from Law's blade in Room don't cause bleeding tho

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

It happened inside room so it wasn't necessarily because law has better COA or the increase in grip.

It would've chopped his hand in half with no blood but obviously there's no blood

 

[arv993]

doffy is too strong for him i see law getting much better soon, he has to catch up to luffy who by stats is a lot better.

 

[ssjelf]

That doesn't make his Haki stronger. That can easily be taken to meant that keeping Haki active drains you of your supply, not that the amount of Haki you used stacks onto itself to boost itself up.

No it doesn't, really. Law can easily have more potential for Busoshoku while Luffy has more potential for Haoshoku. Just because Luffy might be higher in overall stats doesn't mean every individual stat he will have higher potential in. For example, accuracy or sword combat: He'll practically never have more potential than Usopp and Zoro in those categories. Besides, who says they don't?

All I really have to say to that is that luffy was able to block laws string in G4 just like law was able to using his Haki. Sounds even to me.

Who says they do? The argument that luffy spends more time training conquerors Haki is silly. If that was the case then you could also say that zoro has stronger armament than luffy because he doesn't have to spend time training conquerors. But I don't see that argument being made.

 

[Punk Hazard]

All I really have to say to that is that luffy was able to block laws string in G4 just like law was able to using his Haki. Sounds even to me.

Who says they do? The argument that luffy spends more time training conquerors Haki is silly. If that was the case then you could also say that zoro has stronger armament than luffy because he doesn't have to spend time training conquerors. But I don't see that argument being made.

That was credited to his elasticity, not a boost in Haki. Prior to that, his Haki was broken by a weakened Doflamingo and Law's withstood a blow from a stronger Doffy's strings.

WHO SAYS THEY DON'T? And yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Zoro also had stronger Buso than Luffy. Luffy being stronger overall doesn't mean he can't be inferior to weaker people in certain categories.

 

[ssjelf]

That was credited to his elasticity, not a boost in Haki. Prior to that, his Haki was broken by a weakened Doflamingo and Law's withstood a blow from a stronger Doffy's strings.

WHO SAYS THEY DON'T? And yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Zoro also had stronger Buso than Luffy. Luffy being stronger overall doesn't mean he can't be inferior to weaker people in certain categories.

If doffys Haki was still superior when luffy was in G4, the increased elasticity wouldn't mean anything because Haki damages through DF powers. He couldn't bypass his Haki in G4 so the elasticity remained and luffy took no damage. If luffy has superior Haki in regular form the same thing would happen.

Ok

 

[Punk Hazard]

If doffys Haki was still superior when luffy was in G4, the increased elasticity wouldn't mean anything because Haki damages through DF powers. He couldn't bypass his Haki in G4 so the elasticity remained and luffy took no damage. If luffy has superior Haki in regular form the same thing would happen.

Ok

Doflamingo and Luffy's Haki are even, so it couldn't bypass Luffy's enhanced elasticity. Law's Buso>Doffy's Buso=Luffy's Buso.

 

[ssjelf]

Doflamingo and Luffy's Haki are even, so it couldn't bypass Luffy's enhanced elasticity. Law's Buso>Doffy's Buso=Luffy's Buso.

So doffy couldn't bypass luffy's or laws Haki and from that you gather that law has greater Haki then luffy. Ok...

 

[Punk Hazard]

So doffy couldn't bypass luffy's or laws Haki and from that you gather that law has greater Haki then luffy. Ok...

No...I gather Law's Buso is better than Luffy's and Doffy's because Luffy asserted that for his Buso to withstand sharp objects, he'd have to make it better, something Law's could do and something Luffy's and Doffy's failed to do.

The only time Luffy's held up against sharp objects was attributed to his elasticity, not his Buso or an improvement upon it.

 

[ssjelf]

No...I gather Law's Haki is better than Luffy's and Doffy's because Luffy asserted that for his Haki to withstand sharp objects, he'd have to make it stronger, something Law's could do and something Luffy's and Doffy's failed to do.

Luffy blocked a sharp object in G4. Using Haki. The elasticity wouldn't have helped because as luffy has said before, sharp objects can still cut his rubber. So if doffy was able to cancel luffy's Haki with his own and it was strings vs rubber, strings would win. So clearly luffy's Haki wasn't cancelled.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Luffy blocked a sharp object in G4. Using Haki. The elasticity wouldn't have helped because as luffy has said before, sharp objects can still cut his rubber. So if doffy was able to cancel luffy's Haki with his own and it was strings vs rubber, strings would win. So clearly luffy's Haki wasn't cancelled.

Luffy actually blocked the tip of Doflamingo's foot[

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The initial impact of the blow actually looks like it's drawing blood from Luffy's body, indicating his Haki might have been cut; though I think this might just be weird coloring going on, it's worth pointing out.[

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And here Luffy's body was cut anyways[

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Luffy's elasticity helped because instead of the strings being able break the structural integrity of his body, his body just deformed under the pressure with the Haki defending against the blunt part of Doflamingo's attack by matching his Haki-enhanced kick.

Plus, if Law can do with his Haki in base what Luffy needs to enter an enhanced transformation to do with his Haki, it just means Law is better with Buso anyways.

 

[ssjelf]

Luffy actually blocked the tip of Doflamingo's foot[

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The initial impact of the blow actually looks like it's drawing blood from Luffy's body, indicating his Haki might have been cut; though I think this might just be weird coloring going on, it's worth pointing out.[

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And here Luffy's body was cut anyways[

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Luffy's elasticity helped because instead of the strings being able break the structural integrity of his body, his body just deformed under the pressure with the Haki defending against the blunt part of Doflamingo's attack by matching his Haki-enhanced kick.

Plus, if Law can do with his Haki in base what Luffy needs to enter an enhanced transformation to do with his Haki, it just means Law is better with Buso anyways.

Luffy punches through doffys Godsled with kkg. Here's a link sorry in on mobile so I can't put the image directly.

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As for the last point I would have to agree.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Luffy punches through doffys Godsled with kkg. Here's a link sorry in on mobile so I can't put the image directly.

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As for the last point I would have to agree.

Because the force of KKG>the force of Godsled.

 

[ssjelf]

Because the force of KKG>the force of Godsled.

That isn't how sharp objects work, if luffy had weaker Haki they would pierce his harm before bending. But that just isn't the case. His Haki was clearly strong enough in G4 to block penetrating attacks.

 

[ToshiZO]

That isn't how sharp objects work, if luffy had weaker Haki they would pierce his harm before bending. But that just isn't the case. His Haki was clearly strong enough in G4 to block penetrating attacks.

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[ssjelf]

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Sand isn't a sword or even a true sharp object. I can also argue that at this point in the fight croc was too weak to even make a sand blade capable of cutting a person.

 

[ToshiZO]

Sand isn't a sword or even a true sharp object. I can also argue that at this point in the fight croc was too weak to even make a sand blade capable of cutting a person.

Strings arent "true" sharp objects either. And the point is a sharp object has been overcome with force before, heck that scenario was a repeat of Crocodile vs Luffy, there was no haki involved....haki is extremely overrated it is not the be all end all.

 

[ssjelf]

Strings arent "true" sharp objects either. And the point is a sharp object has been overcome with force before, heck that scenario was a repeat of Crocodile vs Luffy, there was no haki involved....haki is extremely overrated it is not the be all end all.

When doffy made a point of luffys haki being weak several scans before and pierced him with haki coated strings, and then the same strings cant pierce luffy, then yes it is haki related.

You can even see the strings being deflected off the sides of his arms where no force is pushing the strings back.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Sand isn't a sword or even a true sharp object. I can also argue that at this point in the fight croc was too weak to even make a sand blade capable of cutting a person.

Counterargument: Doflamingo was too weak to make strings capable of even cutting a human.