[VS] Gamma knifed Doflamingo vs Law

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Laws haki being > Doflamingos doesn't sound right at all, if anything the only reason the sword cut through Doflamingos Haki is because Doflamingo kept increasing his grip on it. Also Doflamingos strings weren't coated in Haki in that panel, though it could have been the invisible CoA.
 

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Laws haki being > Doflamingos doesn't sound right at all, if anything the only reason the sword cut through Doflamingos Haki is because Doflamingo kept increasing his grip on it. Also Doflamingos strings weren't coated in Haki in that panel, though it could have been the invisible CoA.
It shows that the force created was enough to cause Doflamingo's hand to cut through the sharp blade. If his Koka was resistant to sharp objects, him pressing his hand against it wouldn't have mattered. Plus, the string that Doflamingo lashed at Law with was coming from force produced by Doflamingo himself as well. I doubt the force of Doflamingo gripping a sword is greater than the sword of one of his main attacks.

Also, people with Haoshoku tend to use it most dominantly. Luffy specializes in it. It's the Haki Shanks has shown the most. Haoshoku is the only Haki Ace has displayed. Chinjao, Luffy, and Doflamingo released their Haoshoku in conjunction with their Busoshoku a lot. It kinda makes sense that people with Haoshoku would have generally weaker Busoshoku than people who don't because it's an extra field of Haki they have to split their time training on and working to master and using.
 

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It went through his shoulder tho (I thought his shoulders were covered in haki when in gear 4th 2)
Still doesn't prove anything. It could just be that those attacks have enough power in them. You are acting like Haki is the only factor when hurting someone using haki. Attack power is much more important than haki and I feel people are straight up ignoring it ever since post timeskip.


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You are assuming 2 things

1. Whatever attack Luffy was using would be enough to take down Doflamingo.
2. That it wasn't the attempted attack itself which made Luffy run out of G4.

Meaning those two seconds of talking to the citizens probably didn't change anything, because it could be the fact that he geared up for attack which led to his G4 running out.
 

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Without someone helping him in form of distraction Gamma knife will never hit Doflamingo...
It will turn out the same as last time. Doflamingo called Law's attacks pittiful, picked him up like a doll and cut of his arm.
Law can't fight a serious Doflamingo. His stats just ain't good enough.
 

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Not really a weakened doffy awakened strings went through gear 4th luffy shoulder etc... And law haki is def not over gear4th
Not sure what the point of the first part of this was, seeing as Doflamingo was cutting through Luffy's Haki before.

Luffy's Haki while in Gear 4th doesn't get any stronger. It's just harder to break because the enhanced elasticity of that form allows his body to still be malleable. So when an attack that works by using pressing force to augment the slicing power, like Doflamingo's Athlete, lands on his body, the attack fails because instead of the pressure breaking Luffy's skin by forcing down on it, Luffy's body deforms and bends as the pressure is put on it, dispersing the pressure and leaving his body unable to be cut. When an attack like Doffy's Awakened Strings, which is just pure sharpness, hit, it managed to cut because it couldn't alleviate that pressure.

Luffy's Haki was broken by the same kind of attacks Law's Haki withstood.
 

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Doffy toyed with the guy and still had an obviously large gap of power above Law,
considering that Doffy didn't really seem to drop in battle capabilities after he took the hit,
I think it's clear that Law is at best mid-diffed and most likely low-mid diffed.

Besides, Law can't run as long as Doflamingo can, too much use of his fruit and he's
out for the count.
 

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Then why wasn't that pointed out during Doffy's observations instead of just "His body is still rubbery?"

How come Doffy coudn't break past hia haki and affect his rel body. Luffy isn't immune to blunt damage while in G4, yes his haki keeps it's rubber qualities but it doesn't mean it can't be overpowered. DD easily overpowered Luffy's haki while not in G4 but couldn't do it once entering G4.
 

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How come Doffy coudn't break past hia haki and affect his rel body. Luffy isn't immune to blunt damage while in G4, yes his haki keeps it's rubber qualities but it doesn't mean it can't be overpowered. DD easily overpowered Luffy's haki while not in G4 but couldn't do it once entering G4.
When something is broken or cut, it means the force and pressure placed on it deformed it past its structural integrity, causing it to snap and break apart under the pressure. When you cut something, the pressure caused by the blade damages it, with the sharp quality of the blade making that damage be cutting.

Luffy, while in G4, is even more elastic than before. Doflamingo couldn't break his Haki because, in contact with Luffy's body, the pressure from the kick caused Luffy's body to deform, but not past the point of his body's structural integrity. Because Luffy's body was even more malleable before, it was able to absorb the pressure and force, and then redirect by bouncing back. Prior to G4, Doffy could press Luffy's skin past its limit to cut it. G4 is too elastic. Had nothing to do with the strength of Luffy's Haki, but the malleability of his body
 

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When something is broken or cut, it means the force and pressure placed on it deformed it past its structural integrity, causing it to snap and break apart under the pressure. When you cut something, the pressure caused by the blade damages it, with the sharp quality of the blade making that damage be cutting.

Luffy, while in G4, is even more elastic than before. Doflamingo couldn't break his Haki because, in contact with Luffy's body, the pressure from the kick caused Luffy's body to deform, but not past the point of his body's structural integrity. Because Luffy's body was even more malleable before, it was able to absorb the pressure and force, and then redirect by bouncing back. Prior to G4, Doffy could press Luffy's skin past its limit to cut it. G4 is too elastic. Had nothing to do with the strength of Luffy's Haki, but the malleability of his body

You're being soo technical when it's honestly not even like that. You saying the elasticity in Luffy's body doesn't allow DD to break his haki was because the pressure wasn't enough to break the haki, when the whole point of the haki is to ignore the special properties the devil fruit gives the user body. If Luffy didn't have superior Doffy's kick would of ignore the special proprieties an rubber body like Luffy's. The special effects of G4 only works if the opponent haki isn't superior period or Luffy's body is essentially a regular one when it comes to taking attack.
 

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You're being soo technical when it's honestly not even like that. You saying the elasticity in Luffy's body doesn't allow DD to break his haki was because the pressure wasn't enough to break the haki, when the whole point of the haki is to ignore the special properties the devil fruit gives the user body. If Luffy didn't have superior Doffy's kick would of ignore the special proprieties an rubber body like Luffy's. The special effects of G4 only works if the opponent haki isn't superior period or Luffy's body is essentially a regular one when it comes to taking attack.
Says you. Manga attributes the game-changer of Gear 4th being its elasticity, not boosting the strength of Haki, so that's what I'ma go with.

I never said Luffy's Haki was superior to Doffy's or vice versa. I think they're equal, and also inferior to Law's because while Law can focus on training his Busoshoku, Luffy specializes and focuses on his Haoshoku, and Doffy's Haki was portrayed evenly with Luffy's. Even when Doflamingo broke through Luffy's attacks and struck Luffy, Luffy's Haki remained up. Luffy and Doffy's Haki are evenly matched, so Doffy couldn't bypass Luffy's elasticity.
 
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Says you. Manga attributes the game-changer of Gear 4th being its elasticity, not boosting the strength of Haki, so that's what I'ma go with.

I never said Luffy's Haki was superior to Doffy's or vice versa. I think they're equal, and also inferior to Law's because while Law can focus on training his Busoshoku, Luffy specializes and focuses on his Haoshoku, and Doffy's Haki was portrayed evenly with Luffy's. Even when Doflamingo broke through Luffy's attacks and struck Luffy, Luffy's Haki remained up. Luffy and Doffy's Haki are evenly matched, so Doffy couldn't bypass Luffy's elasticity.
Law also mentions that Gear 4th was using up a lot of luffy's haki. Too much actually mening he was using more haki over a shorter period of time and thus his haki was more concentrated.

That second bit only works if law and luffy have the same training potential.
 

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Law also mentions that Gear 4th was using up a lot of luffy's haki. Too much actually mening he was using more haki over a shorter period of time and thus his haki was more concentrated.

That second bit only works if law and luffy have the same training potential.
That doesn't make his Haki stronger. That can easily be taken to meant that keeping Haki active drains you of your supply, not that the amount of Haki you used stacks onto itself to boost itself up.

No it doesn't, really. Law can easily have more potential for Busoshoku while Luffy has more potential for Haoshoku. Just because Luffy might be higher in overall stats doesn't mean every individual stat he will have higher potential in. For example, accuracy or sword combat: He'll practically never have more potential than Usopp and Zoro in those categories. Besides, who says they don't?
 
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