[VS] Gai VS MS Sasuke

[Icelerate]

Gai was able to pop out a Hirudora despite being at his limit against Madara. Gai was able to use Evening Elephant multiple times against Madara. Using more than one Hirudora isn't an issue, and the bold isn't a good excuse considering Gai can just close the distance before firing the second Hirudora.

Gai didn't use the 7th gate until he used Hirudora and he only used Hirudora once despite the fact that when one activates a higher gate, their body can function normally again. This is proven when Lee exhausted the energy he gained from the first gate, he couldn't move but then he ended up opening more gates which allowed him to move again. Evening elephant was used multiple times because like beans said, 8th gate>>>>>7th gate in terms of how much energy is released. There is a reason why opening the 8th gate is inevitable death, it is because you use up all your body's energy. Using Gai's 8th gate feats to prove he can spam Hirudora in the 7th gate is nonsense because after the fight with Kisame, his body was aching very badly.

The bold is a good excuse because unless Gai wants to run into Hirudora's explosion, he won't be closing the distance. By that time, Sasuke preps a susanoo arrow while Gai attempts to get close. Sasuke has already prepped susanoo arrow so releasing it is almost instant so once the exhausted Gai attempts to use Hirudora again, he gets killed by the susanoo arrow.

 

[Beans2]

Not only is that two different types of kicks(the kick lee used on madara was in fact a cutting kick via his shin where as leaf coiling wind is a delivered via the back of the foot mainly heel) but madara failed to even put up his guard whereas haku did.

As for scaling it dosen't matter. EE isn't being scaled down to AT. It's just proof that Gated techniques can be done multiple times. Same goes for MP. If he shows 0 signs of exaustion please explain to me why he cant do it again.

Neither type of kick is a cutting attack, no type of kick is a cutting attack. It's a blunt force attack in both cases. Haku putting up his guard doesn't really make a difference because his arms aren't more durable than his torso and on top of that it was both Gai and Lee who kicked her and she didn't come close to getting bisected.

No using EE multiple times in 8th Gate does not mean Hirudora can be used multiple times in the 7th Gate. There's no relevance whatsoever especially when EE isn't even 8th Gate's strongest attack whereas Hirudora is the 7th Gate's strongest attack.

 

[Beans2]

^I just referred to Haku as a she, Lol

 

[Gold Lightning]

Evening elephant was used multiple times because like beans said, 8th gate>>>>>7th gate in terms of how much energy is released. There is a reason why opening the 8th gate is inevitable death, it is because you use up all your body's energy. Using Gai's 8th gate feats to prove he can spam Hirudora in the 7th gate is nonsense because after the fight with Kisame, his body was aching very badly.

Rep plus.

Can't believe people think 7 gates and Hirudora can be spammed.

 

[Blunt]

Lmao, why are people even bringing up multiple Hirudora, the mere notion of it is ridiculous. At least using it back to back, quickly enough to finish Sasuke.

Gai loses, and he isn't breaching v4. Nor is he surviving being hit by a concentrated Amaterasu.

 

[KidGamer65]

Gai didn't use the 7th gate until he used Hirudora and he only used Hirudora once despite the fact that when one activates a higher gate, their body can function normally again. This is proven when Lee exhausted the energy he gained from the first gate, he couldn't move but then he ended up opening more gates which allowed him to move again. Evening elephant was used multiple times because like beans said, 8th gate>>>>>7th gate in terms of how much energy is released. There is a reason why opening the 8th gate is inevitable death, it is because you use up all your body's energy. Using Gai's 8th gate feats to prove he can spam Hirudora in the 7th gate is nonsense because after the fight with Kisame, his body was aching very badly.

Never said he can spam Hirudora, Using Hirudora twice=/=Spamming it, but you probably have a point with the rest, doesn't change the rest of my points though. Gai used a Hirudora at his limit and passed out. Gai used a Hirudora in the 7th Gate and was perfectly fine afterwards. No matter who it's been who's replied to me and where, they've never told me why Gai can't use it again despite not feeling this fanfictional exhaustion that comes from using the jutsu.

The bold is a good excuse because unless Gai wants to run into Hirudora's explosion, he won't be closing the distance. By that time, Sasuke preps a susanoo arrow while Gai attempts to get close. Sasuke has already prepped susanoo arrow so releasing it is almost instant so once the exhausted Gai attempts to use Hirudora again, he gets killed by the susanoo arrow.

Lol, nice scenario you made up. Let me tell you what's going to happen though.

-Gai uses Hirudora.

-Sasuke is launched away.

-Hirudora explodes.

-Sasuke preps an arrow like you say.

-Sasuke fires arrow.

-Gai easily evades and then uses Hirudora, or maybe he stalls a bit and uses it again. Not sure why Gai would have to use Hirudora before Sasuke fires his arrow, especially since Sasuke is the one with the arrow prepped already, before Gai has even begun to initiate his move. And then there's the fact that he can attack Susanoo from the back, so Susanoo arrow landing from there is pretty much impossible, thus Sasuke counter attacking is pretty much impossible.

If Sasuke preps the arrow before Gai has even closed the distance, then why would Gai stop to use Hirudora instead of evading said arrow first? And if Sasuke decided to hold the arrow in place, Gai just hits him in the rear.

I also suggest you read Kisame vs. Gai and show me where he was exhausted after using Hirudora, cause that point has been thoroughly debunked. He was in that condition AFTER he left the gates, not AFTER he used HIRUDORA. So once again, you guys have no point.

Gai loses, and he isn't breaching v4. Nor is he surviving being hit by a concentrated Amaterasu.

If only Sasuke could track and follow Gai's movements. If only anyone could actually give me a good reason as to why Hirudora can't be used more than once besides "Hurr it's nonsense" "Never did it"

 

[KidGamer65]

I'm not an expert with Gai but I do agree with my master here that 2 Hirudora's would not be able to be used back to back.

For one Unorthodox is correct that Kyubi cloak would enhance Hirudora because Lee with chakra cloak managed to kick Edo Madara in half (

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) despite kicking not being a cutting type of attack. When Lee did not have a Kyubi cloak, his kick could not bisect Edo bodies (

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). Lee didn't have Gates activated in either example so that's proof that the Kurama cloak enhanced his taijutsu.

Lol. And I'll say the same thing I said to unorthodox. Hirudora's power is not related to Gai's physical strength, so Lee's physical strength being boosted isn't proof Hirudora would get stronger. There's also the fact that Gai HAD no Kurama chakra power up when he obliterated Madara's Susanoo, so you guys might as well drop this point.

Also why are we giving 7G Gai 8 Gates Gai feats when the chakra point limiters removed from the 8th Gate are far more than the limiters removed from any other gate? Using EE multiple times in 8th Gate isn't proof that Gai can use multiple Hirudoras in 7th Gate since EE doesn't scale proportionally to Hirudora when you compare the 8th and 7th Gates especially considering EE isn't even Gai's strongest attack in 8th Gate, Night Guy is and he could only use it once.

Night Gai destroys the body, no other move does that, but I'll admit you have a point with the Eighth Gate stuff.

There are no feats of Gai using his strongest move in 7th Gate multiple times before going out of gates again, his stamina feats of staying in Gates don't mean he can use that technique multiple times.

Correction. He uses the strongest move in his gated form, and has the stamina to continue fighting afterwards. The "no feats" argument is irrelevant if there is reason to believe he can use it twice, and so far you've given me no good reasons (same with the other two, or three) to believe that he can't. You say that staying the Gates, with a lot of stamina to spare isn't evidence, with no reasoning behind that statement.

When we ignore all my, FT, and Evani's posts, we see that you guy's argument is basically:

"Gai didn't use Hirudora more than one in the 7th Gate, so he can't" With zero supporting evidence. All your evidence is for points made to counter

-You haven't proved that it takes up so much stamina that he can't use it again, considering he was able to use Hirudora despite being unable to stand on his own, and only then did he pass out from stamina loss. A Gai in good health used Hirudora and guess what happened afterwards? He was perfectly fine. Yet for some reason he can't use it again, despite using one strong enough to obliterate Susanoo when he was on his last legs? Does that make sense to you?

-unorthodox's assumption on how the gates fade after the strongest tech is used was debunked by Gai vs. Edo Jins and Gai vs. Kisame. He tried to get away from this by saying it wasn't a full power Hirudora, which is irrelevant since that one was much larger than the one he used on Kisame, not to mention we don't know if Gai held back the power or if he fired it knowing that the water and the Shark Missile would soften the impact, and he has no evidence to prove the bolded part true, which is unlikely since that one was larger.

Asakujaku being used in 6th Gate multiple times doesn't prove anything because it's a different move in a different Gate. Holds no relevance whatsoever, the strongest attack in 6th Gate doesn't necessarily scale to the strongest attack in 7th Gate. No reason to believe he can do two back to back Hirudoras at all. If Gai is in 7G and used Hirudora, to use it again he would need to open the 8th Gate to remove the chakra point limiters and remove the physical limits on his body for him to use Hirudora again.

Only part you have a point on, and it doesn't change the rest of my argument. Gai used Hirudora against Kisame, and was fine.

Not only did no one mention multiple Asa Kujakus, and even if someone did, you are still wrong.. Unorthodox claimed that Gai can't use the strongest move in his Gated form twice, because his gates energy will fade or some fanfic like that. Manga has proven that wrong. If Gai can use the strongest move of the 6th Gate multiple times while in the 6th Gate, then there is no reason to believe that he can't use Hirudora twice. Hirudora>>>Asa Kujaku, yes, but 7th Gate>>>6th Gate. As you guys have claimed, much more energy flowing through Gai's body.


I'll admit that you three got me on the Eighth Gate thing. I concede that part, but sadly that's all you guys have countered, and that isn't all of my argument.

 

[Haizaki]

Gai didn't use the 7th gate until he used Hirudora and he only used Hirudora once despite the fact that when one activates a higher gate, their body can function normally again. This is proven when Lee exhausted the energy he gained from the first gate, he couldn't move but then he ended up opening more gates which allowed him to move again. Evening elephant was used multiple times because like beans said, 8th gate>>>>>7th gate in terms of how much energy is released. There is a reason why opening the 8th gate is inevitable death, it is because you use up all your body's energy. Using Gai's 8th gate feats to prove he can spam Hirudora in the 7th gate is nonsense because after the fight with Kisame, his body was aching very badly.

The bold is a good excuse because unless Gai wants to run into Hirudora's explosion, he won't be closing the distance. By that time, Sasuke preps a susanoo arrow while Gai attempts to get close. Sasuke has already prepped susanoo arrow so releasing it is almost instant so once the exhausted Gai attempts to use Hirudora again, he gets killed by the susanoo arrow.

The bold is pure fact that you don;t know what you're talking about:

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That's the use of the Heal Gate.

So now let's go by speculation of Gai becoming revitalized by opening a higher Gate(Which isn't proven anywhere in this Manga). The use of the 2nd Gate is to revitalize. Hence all you're doing is giving the use of one Gate to the others. FALSE and not proven correctly.


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What's funny is how people don't understand using a technique isn't what causes the Pain, it's the Gate that does. When Gai stops after the second EE, what's said:

"I can imagine ow Painful the Shimon would be when the Tomon is already hard on the user"

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When Gai's body starts aching like you're saying against Kisame, what was said:

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So this misconception about AT being the reason for him being incredibly exhausted doesn't support your point...The fact is when he's in this Gate, he can use the technique multiple times seeing as how the WAR ARC feats (which I showed you already in that group list) debunks anything that suggest a Fresh Gai would be weakened after the 7th Gate with AT. He opened it and used AT at his limit against Madara..No disputing.

Not to mention you're already wrong..If AT was truly the case, he'd have gone back to Base from the 7G..So it's the 7G that puts the strain on him and not AT. While in this Gate, he uses AT as long as he has it on just like he did for EE.


@Kidgamer Ignore that joke they call Blunt..Dude think Amaterasu hits Gai.

Oh and I'll show you that same scan again Icelerate:

When Lee opens the 5th

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[GiantShuriken]

Gai has zero chance against sasuke as he is a sharing an user. Sasuke beats him in 3t. He just needs to read his movements and predict them, followed up by sticking a kunai out where he sees gai is going. Sasuke wins, neg diff

 

[Haizaki]

Gai has zero chance against sasuke as he is a sharing an user. Sasuke beats him in 3t. He just needs to read his movements and predict them, followed up by sticking a kunai out where he sees gai is going. Sasuke wins, neg diff

Give up on life.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

I geuss you thought you had it figured out nope gai gates not going away proves nothing especailly when the hirudora that showed capabilities to burst open v3 susanoo was impowered by left over Kurama chakra because we've seen how strong hirudora is when its not fueled Kurama's chakra could even take out kisame or break a single bone in his body you can claim they wanted kisame for information but attacks such as hirudora have no showed to be able to hold back its like sasuke naruto can hold back the power of a flying rasenshuriken etc. Nope not happening so its goes like this multiply hirudora does not equal the one he used during the war because we have no kurama boost the ones he used in war can only be done onced then its game over for gai they'res also the enton and kirin argument just to much for gai to weather.

Lol... dude I'm not even going to argue with you. Post the scan that doesn't exist showcasing Gai receiving the Kyubi chakra. That's all I'm going to say. I'd encourage you and your freinds to read the manga. Please, please, please read the manga and understand what you're talking about instead of making shit up.

And for the record, Cavs aren't winning the 2015 championship. Lmao.

Gai didn't use the 7th gate until he used Hirudora and he only used Hirudora once despite the fact that when one activates a higher gate, their body can function normally again. This is proven when Lee exhausted the energy he gained from the first gate, he couldn't move but then he ended up opening more gates which allowed him to move again. Evening elephant was used multiple times because like beans said, 8th gate>>>>>7th gate in terms of how much energy is released. There is a reason why opening the 8th gate is inevitable death, it is because you use up all your body's energy. Using Gai's 8th gate feats to prove he can spam Hirudora in the 7th gate is nonsense because after the fight with Kisame, his body was aching very badly.

The bold is a good excuse because unless Gai wants to run into Hirudora's explosion, he won't be closing the distance. By that time, Sasuke preps a susanoo arrow while Gai attempts to get close. Sasuke has already prepped susanoo arrow so releasing it is almost instant so once the exhausted Gai attempts to use Hirudora again, he gets killed by the susanoo arrow.

More people that know nothing about Gai and the mechanics of the inner gates. As Evani stated, the only time a gate user gets temporarily rejuvenated is when he opens the 2nd gate. Going from the 6th to the 7th gate doesn't revatilize Gai, because the 2nd gate is already opened. Judging by your post, you probably don't understand that all the gates are open up to the final gate that was unlocked. Meaning, if one is in the 7th gate, then

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... not just that 7th gate. Understand what you're talking about before you post please.

I don't recall anyone here claiming Gai can use Hirudora back to back. What's being claimed is that Gai can use it more then once in a single session. But unfortunately, we have the missinformed claiming he can't because of whatever made up or false reasoning.

@ bold, once again, read the manga, and know what you're talking about before making yourself look foolish by contradicting the manga. Gai is exhausted after just one Hirudora usage?

1) Gai went straight from base to the 6th gate (Heal gate already opened)
2) Used Morning Peacock on the hugest scale he's ever used it within the manga
3) Immediately goes into the 7th gate (No rejuvenation)
4) Immediately uses Hirudora

The immediate aftermath? Zero fatigue. Zero exhaustion. Just your fantasy.

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Perhaps he can't use it back to back, but you have absolutely nothing going for you in order to make the claim he is only good for one Hirudora before collapsing or exhausting himself. A huge Morning Peacock, immediately followed by Hirudora didn't even faze him in the slightest. Drop the bullshit.

 

[Haizaki]

LOOOOL So it was Unorthodox that said Gai used the Kyuubi cloak to enhance AT? Lmao. Nice point FT..that should definitely clear things up because it's becoming funny to me.

How does it make sense that Gai becomes revitalized upon opening a higher Gate when that alone is the job of the 2nd? Gai becomes physically enhanced but the Pain on his body becomes far worse. All we've been seeing is Gai's stamina to hold up the Gates for longer periods despite being in massive Pain. The same he did for the 8th applies to others just that he couldn't withstand the aftermath of this gate as no one would. Holding up a Gate=/= The aftermath the Gate puts on your body. People say the 8th is different but why then did he stop midway with EE? All we're seeing is Gai's stamina and as long as he has a Gate up, he uses the technique the Gate grants as long as he has the stamina to hold up that Gate..This was seen with EE.

The Gates don't have a time limit..Only stamina and pain endurance involved. It's only fan fiction that support revitalizing upon moving from 6th-7th. More chakra while it removes the limits but that's not equal to you being revitalized. It's a trade off for more power so you battle in more pain while becoming stronger as you move up. That's not revitalizing or Lee's muscles won't have ripped upon opening the 5th.

Moving for 3rd to 4th, Lee's nose starts bleeding

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..When you move up, there's added pain and it's your stamina to maintain it as the destruction becomes worse despite being physically enhanced. The 2nd Gate only raises your stamina which is why Naruto says "His movements returned"

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This was in reference to his previous movements not an upgrade of his previous speed..You can clearly see this Gate doesn't put Lee above his previous self but only re-energizes his current state to his previous self..It only increases the stamina.

Gates work differently but it's a fact that only the second gate revitalizes your body..Not the other ones. That's nothing but fanfitcion.

 

[Kaguya Rabbit Goddess]

Might Guy wins

 

[Forbidden Technique]

LOOOOL So it was Unorthodox that said Gai used the Kyuubi cloak to enhance AT? Lmao. Nice point FT..that should definitely clear things up because it's becoming funny to me.

Yup, my favorite of all time was this though..

had a double kurama cloak on

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Gai was a fresh as he's been the hole war in the manga scan.

And it doesn't make sense. Just more people chirping on things they know nothing about. Like, is it really that hard to accept Gai's feats for what they are? I really don't understand it.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Neither type of kick is a cutting attack, no type of kick is a cutting attack. It's a blunt force attack in both cases. Haku putting up his guard doesn't really make a difference because his arms aren't more durable than his torso and on top of that it was both Gai and Lee who kicked her and she didn't come close to getting bisected.

again that's due to the type of attack it is.

No using EE multiple times in 8th Gate does not mean Hirudora can be used multiple times in the 7th Gate.

yes there is. Neither ee or at force him into exaustion, and since it's not chakra based but taijutsu I see no reason why he can't do it again.

There's no relevance whatsoever especially when EE isn't even 8th Gate's strongest attack whereas Hirudora is the 7th Gate's strongest attack.

That has nothing to do with it seeing as how neither of the attacks mentioned force him into exaustion.

 

[KidGamer65]

Yup, my favorite of all time was this though..



And it doesn't make sense. Just more people chirping on things they know nothing about. Like, is it really that hard to accept Gai's feats for what they are? I really don't understand it.

Lool, what? I didn't even notice that shit he posted right there. His inability to read the manga is killing me.

 

[Beans2]

Lol. And I'll say the same thing I said to unorthodox. Hirudora's power is not related to Gai's physical strength, so Lee's physical strength being boosted isn't proof Hirudora would get stronger. There's also the fact that Gai HAD no Kurama chakra power up when he obliterated Madara's Susanoo, so you guys might as well drop this point.

I addressed this because you stated that kyubi cloaks only enhance ninjutsu and not taijutsu when that's proven to not be the case. Yes physical strength does matte with Hirudora because it is a mass of conpressed air from a super fast punch so enhanced physical strength makes this a stronger punch so logically Hirudora would be stronger. I know Gai didn't have a kyubi cloak so it's irrelevant, I only addressed this because you said kyubi cloak wouldn't enhance taijutsu, which isn't true.

Night Gai destroys the body, no other move does that, but I'll admit you have a point with the Eighth Gate stuff.

Yeah, I was pointing out another flaw in your argument.

Correction. He uses the strongest move in his gated form, and has the stamina to continue fighting afterwards. The "no feats" argument is irrelevant if there is reason to believe he can use it twice, and so far you've given me no good reasons (same with the other two, or three) to believe that he can't. You say that staying the Gates, with a lot of stamina to spare isn't evidence, with no reasoning behind that statement.

When we ignore all my, FT, and Evani's posts, we see that you guy's argument is basically:

"Gai didn't use Hirudora more than one in the 7th Gate, so he can't" With zero supporting evidence. All your evidence is for points made to counter

-You haven't proved that it takes up so much stamina that he can't use it again, considering he was able to use Hirudora despite being unable to stand on his own, and only then did he pass out from stamina loss. A Gai in good health used Hirudora and guess what happened afterwards? He was perfectly fine. Yet for some reason he can't use it again, despite using one strong enough to obliterate Susanoo when he was on his last legs? Does that make sense to you?

-unorthodox's assumption on how the gates fade after the strongest tech is used was debunked by Gai vs. Edo Jins and Gai vs. Kisame. He tried to get away from this by saying it wasn't a full power Hirudora, which is irrelevant since that one was much larger than the one he used on Kisame, not to mention we don't know if Gai held back the power or if he fired it knowing that the water and the Shark Missile would soften the impact, and he has no evidence to prove the bolded part true, which is unlikely since that one was larger.

I agree that unorthodox was wrong there, Gates obviously don't fade after using their strongest technique. But however how are we supposed to quantify the effort Hirudora takes vs the effort Asakujaku takes? More chakra point limiters are removed in 7th Gate but Hirudora is shown and portrayed to be far stronger of a technique so even if his stamina feats suggest he can use multiple Hirdoras in the 7th Gate, that doesn't suport the notion that he can perform them back to back in a sequence to kill Sasuke? Can't Sasuke just disperse Susanoo and re-form it again in that time? He can hide in Aoda's mouth and when Gai uses Hirudora to kill Aoda, the snake takes the damage instead of Sasuke (who can use Susanoo inside Manda for extra protection), much like Manda briefly took the damage of a C0 blast and took the damage for Sasuke. The snake disappears in a puff of smoke, and Gai is left facing a V4 Susanoo. If Gai reverts to base or a lower gate when Sasuke is inside Aoda, the snake can tunnel underground leaving Sasuke there, then distrcts Gai as Sasuke attacks from under the ground, or use enton on Gai while he is in lower forms. If Gai just outlasts the summon in 7th Gate it probably takes a toll on Gai's body but requied little effort on sasukes part.

Only part you have a point on, and it doesn't change the rest of my argument. Gai used Hirudora against Kisame, and was fine.

Actually was Gai still in 7th Gate after he was standing over Kisame? 7G aura pushed the water away and there wasn't any water pushed away so it could have been a lower gate. Or is the aura only active when opening a gate? I might be wrong on this.

Not only did no one mention multiple Asa Kujakus, and even if someone did, you are still wrong.. Unorthodox claimed that Gai can't use the strongest move in his Gated form twice, because his gates energy will fade or some fanfic like that. Manga has proven that wrong. If Gai can use the strongest move of the 6th Gate multiple times while in the 6th Gate, then there is no reason to believe that he can't use Hirudora twice. Hirudora>>>Asa Kujaku, yes, but 7th Gate>>>6th Gate. As you guys have claimed, much more energy flowing through Gai's body.

I agree unorthodox was wrong about that. But I don't know how you can conclude that Gai can use 2 Hirudoras back to back. Surely Gai has a cool-down time for his strongest move outside 8th gate?

I'll admit that you three got me on the Eighth Gate thing. I concede that part, but sadly that's all you guys have countered, and that isn't all of my argument.

Thanks for agreeing this, that's why I addressed it in my post, because those feats are in a gate that is on quite a different tier.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Sasuke wins.

He was reacting to V2 Ay's speed and strike, and was able to construct Enton defence at the right time. Gai hasn't shown anything close to Ay in speed department. His feat with Madara isn't even worthy, given he got stomped seconds after. Hirduora couldn't kill Kisame (inb4 he didn't want to kill him, because there is no implication states Gai can control the raw power behind his attack, when it was the size of Island Turtle), and reconsider Hirudora under water is much stronger than Hirdudora on air, due to water being denser and creates stronger shock-wave. Not to mention he can't maintain 7th Gate for 1 minute, without having to exhaust himself later on.

Another stupid post from you i see.

@BOLD. Ei speed is mediocre at best his puny speed were surpassed ages ago honestly. KM Naruto dodged Ei fastest attack. Gai nearly blitz Juubi Jin Madara from this distance.(

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). Note Gaara who was fighting with Ei for almost a day never said anything like this about his speed. Gai speed>>>>>>>Ei he was the only one to land a hit on Madara while 2 FTG users couldn't even do so and Ei couldn't even land a hit on one of these FTG users. Give one implication the suggests he couldn't control the raw power? What a silly man. Hirudora would literally run into all the water pushing it toward Kisame therefore making it slower and much less powerful since power it's nothing but speed and momentum once both of those are decreased there for the ability is decreased. Ill give you another example if Danzo uses one of his wind slices under water wouldn't we both agree it wouldn't be nearly as powerful. 1 minute is all he need to push a giant Hirudora down Sasuke throat. ​

 

[KidGamer65]

I addressed this because you stated that kyubi cloaks only enhance ninjutsu and not taijutsu when that's proven to not be the case. Yes physical strength does matte with Hirudora because it is a mass of conpressed air from a super fast punch so enhanced physical strength makes this a stronger punch so logically Hirudora would be stronger. I know Gai didn't have a kyubi cloak so it's irrelevant, I only addressed this because you said kyubi cloak wouldn't enhance taijutsu, which isn't true.

Gai's Hirudora is only a super fast punch, doesn't mean that the punch is from his physical ability. Gai didn't even have enough strength to stand on his own two feet let alone use a Hirudora strong enough to blow open V3 Susanoo w/ his physical strength alone. The air pressure isn't created by the punch, it is the punch. The air pressure is created by Gai's hand signs, as shown in the manga, not his physical strength.

So no, Kurama's chakra cannot make Hirudora stronger.

I agree that unorthodox was wrong there, Gates obviously don't fade after using their strongest technique. But however how are we supposed to quantify the effort Hirudora takes vs the effort Asakujaku takes? More chakra point limiters are removed in 7th Gate but Hirudora is shown and portrayed to be far stronger of a technique so even if his stamina feats suggest he can use multiple Hirdoras in the 7th Gate, that doesn't suport the notion that he can perform them back to back in a sequence to kill Sasuke?

That is exactly what it does. Asa Kujaku is irrelevant to the core point, that Gai used one Hirudora and was in good condition, and was able to use Hirudora in a severely weakened state. Nothing about Asa Kujaku or any other gates or chakra point limiters have any thing to do with this point when I'm not comparing Gai's 7th Gate feats to any other feats

Yes, Hirudora is portrayed to be far stronger of a technique, and the 7th Gate is portrayed to be a FAR stronger gate, so it'd more or less balance out in the end, and then there's the fact that he has the stamina to use it again, there is literally no real reason I'm seeing from you guys, that'd lead me to believe Gai can't use another one.

Can't Sasuke just disperse Susanoo and re-form it again in that time?

If he cancels Susanoo, between the moment he cancels it and the moment he puts it back up, Gai would blitz the living hell out of him, and obliterate him with his fists. Not to mention MS Sasuke doesn't have the stamina to keep putting up a V4 Susanoo, not when he still has MS strain to deal with.

He can hide in Aoda's mouth and when Gai uses Hirudora to kill Aoda, the snake takes the damage instead of Sasuke (who can use Susanoo inside Manda for extra protection), much like Manda briefly took the damage of a C0 blast and took the damage for Sasuke. The snake disappears in a puff of smoke, and Gai is left facing a V4 Susanoo.

Gai would slap Aoda around without Hirudora, he just wouldn't necessarily one shot it. So unless Sasuke is going to hide in there for the rest of the match....there is no issue. Not to mention summons have a time limit. All Gai needs to do is smack Aoda around and wait for him to vanish.

If Gai reverts to base or a lower gate when Sasuke is inside Aoda, the snake can tunnel underground leaving Sasuke there, then distrcts Gai as Sasuke attacks from under the ground, or use enton on Gai while he is in lower forms.

Sasuke would have to break through the ground if he wanted to try and attack from below, and that'd give Gai more than enough time to notice him, and evade his attack, whether in the 6th or 7th Gate. If Sasuke uses Amaterasu, he'll probably have to use the 7th Gate to evade, but that'd drop Susanoo, meaning Gai evades the attack and then kills the defenseless Sasuke.


Also, Gai can switch between Gates Mode and Base, and other levels of the Gates in a split second. Vs. Kisame he did it. Vs. The Edo Jins he did. The scans have been posted I believe, but I'm pretty sure you know what I'm talking about.

If Gai just outlasts the summon in 7th Gate it probably takes a toll on Gai's body but requied little effort on sasukes part.

5th Gate, or even 6th Gate is all he needs to handle Aoda, while lasting long enough to outlast the summon.

Actually was Gai still in 7th Gate after he was standing over Kisame? 7G aura pushed the water away and there wasn't any water pushed away so it could have been a lower gate. Or is the aura only active when opening a gate? I might be wrong on this.

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He was still in the 7th Gate.

I agree unorthodox was wrong about that. But I don't know how you can conclude that Gai can use 2 Hirudoras back to back. Surely Gai has a cool-down time for his strongest move outside 8th gate?

And why would he? Even then, using it multiple times=/=using it back to back.

 

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Yup, my favorite of all time was this though..

Dude needs to read the Manga properly..Too jokes.

And it doesn't make sense. Just more people chirping on things they know nothing about. Like, is it really that hard to accept Gai's feats for what they are? I really don't understand it.

Lol most are too shocked and think he's overrated despite feats thoroughly disagreeing with them...Honestly not bothered about them. We use FACTS while they just whine and whine all over the place.

Yeah it's very evident that a lot of people are either clueless or just want to downplay him...Honestly not bothered with these people.