Look at you trying to use the worst image of gai but first let me ask you this did gai look like that before or after hirudora
Read the manga before replying to me. Gai used Hirudora right after that chapter, meaning he was in the same, exact, state.
thats how much damage its does to his body firstly that was before he got got rebooted by the kurama's cloak so you bringing up that image is irrelevant since this how gai looked after about 20 chapters of him doing nothing relevant and had a double kurama cloak on
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Gai was a fresh as he's been the hole war in the manga scan. You claim gai had no break but what was he doing when Juubito was fighting Naruto & Sasuke team? and during the revival of Madara? nothing but wasting away in double kurama cloak meaning he had more then a time to re coup himself.
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The more you post the stupider you sound.
1. Gai used Hirudora in the state I showed you above. That scan is from chapter 607. He used Hirudora on Madara in 608, meaning he was at his limit when he used Hirudora, hence him passing out right after the fact, even though he did so two other times in the manga, yet never passed out.
2. As I've shown, I'm referring to when Gai used Hirudora in 608, so why in the hell are you referencing shit that happened AFTER 608. When I said he had no break, it was from the time he arrived to the Juubi's revival, something I clearly stated, yet I come here and you're posting shit about events that took place afterwards? Lol.
3. Gai never had the cloak before he used Hirudora in the state I was referring to, so once again, read the manga so I don't have to read it for you.
4. Kakashi's state after using Kamui doesn't concern me, not to mention him getting a cloak means he's replenished, which means he's not in said state any more. I asked you to show me him using Kamui in the same state Gai was in.
So every time kurama took over Naruto's body or lended him chakra it only worked for his ninjutsu please stop denying shit Sasuke was owning naruto prior to him using Kurama chakra yet the momment he used it
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Sasuke even comments on how naruto got stronger and this happened every time he used kurama's chakra his taijutsu speed and power went up so your insanely wrong about it not working on taijutsu.
Because his physical strength went up. Gai's Hirudora isn't based on his physical strength, so it won't get stronger. Try again pal.
Please use periods, replying to this shit is starting to irritate me.
Your killing yourself now first you say hirudora does not use chakra witch it doesnt
Uh-huh.'
yet a healthy gai meaning his body is in better physical condition then a beat up gai can use hirudora more times in one day and be stronger and bigger then gai if he was beat up meaning if his body is in better physical conditions his hirudora's are more stronger in potent
Considering Gai was at his absolute limit and still used a Hirudora strong enough to obliterate V3 Susanoo, who knows?
Healthy gai with Kurama cloak > Healthy Gai without it so indeed it made his Hirudora stronger just leave this argument alone you'll never win against it especially not with the shit you've been bringing to the table.
When you can actually show me proof that it'd make Hirudora, which is nothing but air pressure NOT created from Gai's physical ability, then we can talk. Until then, I suggest we stop posting. You look dumb. Lol. Healthy Gai with or without a cloak is still Healthy Gai. The only thing the cloak will do is make his physical strength, durability, and Ninjutsu stronger. Hirudora isn't reliant on Gai's physical strength, unless you think an exhausted Gai has the physical strength to destroy a Susanoo or has the physical strength to create a Hirudora strong enough to destroy a Susanoo, there is no debate here.
Not to mention this is all irrelevant since you can't even post a scan proving that Gai got a power up from Kurama's chakra. Lol.
I know clearly what you we're saying your the one that took things out of context let me put it like this The Sasuke that
used perfect susanoo at the momment would have been stronger then a Sasuke who had never came incontact with the chakra because Sasuke in the momment still had some of naruto's chakra with him. you wanted proof here we go
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Now you are going to have to provide proof for your claim, and no, anyone who can read the manga without their head up their ass knows that the scan you posted doesn't prove shit. I feel like I'm arguing with the clowns who believe Naruto powered Sasuke up in chapter 650....Lol The scan you posted proves that Kurama transferring chakra to Kakashi boosted his Kamui by 3x. I asked you to prove that touching the Avatar gives you a boost in chakra. Not that hard to understand. Based on you posting this scan, I'm going to go with the obvious truth that you have no real proof for your claims.
Your not getting EE is not the strongest move that gated form has to offer meaning him doing it multiple times rather it be stronger or weaker then hirudora is irrelevant because Hirudora takes a bigger toll on the 7th gates then EE takes on the 8th gates considering its his strongest move when he's in 7th gated formed.
I suggest we stop making up shit. What you say would have merit if Gai was exhausted right after using Hirudora, just like he'd be out of commission when using Hirudora....but news flash, he hasn't been. Ever. Unless he was already weakened, or his opponent put him in a bad state. So your whole assumption has no base, has no merit, and is thus useless in this argument.
It being the strongest move available to the 7th Gate doesn't change these facts.
Fact 1: 8th Gate>>>7th Gate when it comes to the toll on the body.
Fact 2: Evening Elephant>>>Hirudora when it comes to power.
8th Gate being so much more painful than the 7th Gate already invalidates your claims. If he can handle worse pain and still use a move stronger than Hirudora, then in a state that takes less of a toll on his body, he can use a move that is not as stamina intensive as Evening Elephant. That simple. The fact he was PERFECTLY FINE right after using Hirudora obliterates this whole part of your post.
You should know how stupid you sound when you trying to use what gai did in 8 gates to 7th gates 1 ee is like 50 hirudora possibly even more powerful if your logic was Kosher 7th gates gai could use like 100 hirudora yet he cannot because that is the max power of that state. EE was not the thing killing being in the 8th gates alone was killing after all it is called the gate of death.
When you stop pulling numbers out of your ass, I'll bother to reply to this part. Fact of the matter is, Gai used hirudora against Kisame and was perfectly fine, meaning he has the stamina to use it again. Gai used Hirudora and remained in Gated Mode, crushing your "Strongest attack makes power fade" nonsense theory. Where the hell did you even get that stuff from anyway? Did you just make it up on the spot? Or is there a manga scan that supports your argument? Simple as that. No more debate on this topic, at least, valid debate anyway.
Gai used a Hirudora on Kisame witch it did absolutely nothing witch leads to me two conclusions 1. Thats hirudora max power and it only seemed to be stronger in the war arc because it was fueled with Kurama's chakra or 2. Gai wanted information out of Kisame so he held back the full power of Hirudora (because if it can naturally destroy a v3 susanoo kisame body would have been turned to paste) meaning if the power was held back it would take less of a toll on gai so he would not instantly be weak or defenseless like hirudora at full power has shown in the past. i choose option 2 but either way its a lose lose situation for you here kid.
Obviously option 2. Doesn't change anything though, so I don't know why you bothered to bring it up.
Except that was the max power of his 6th gates as i explained reasons why gai had to go to the next level before he gates power went away and use Hirudora.
Lol, dafuq? If using the max power of the 6th Gate would tire him out like you claim it would, he wouldn't be able to use Hirudora in the next gate regardless of entering the 7th Gate, due to the injuries his body should have sustained...according to you of course. Then there's the fact he used Hirudora and was still in Gates Mode.
You just reapeated yourself we've seen a healthy gai used 6 gates before and after that what happened his gates faded because once gai uses his strongest attack in his gated forms it fades. Why you think Gai had attack Madara in his 7th gate to get him back while his 8 gates prepped. He could have used his 8th gates no matter what condition he was in why because it all leads him to the same thing death.
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Uses Asa Kujaku, remains in the gates until he turns it off.
-Used it against Kisame, remained in the gates and had enough stamina left to enter the 7th Gate.
Please stop making stuff up and start bringing some facts. Here's what we've seen a healthy Gai do. We've seen a healthy Gai enter the 6th Gate, use a large scaled Asa Kujaku, and then enter the 7th Gate and use Hirudora, and his state afterwards? Perfectly fine until he left the gates, and that's when the backlash started to affect him.
Bold is nonsense. If Gai is on the verge of passing out, he can't use Gates. Gates damage the body, you need stamina to use the gates. No stamina=No gates. Same goes for all jutsu. No stamina=No Jutsu. It leading to death doesn't matter. By this logic I could say that Minato with practically no chakra can use Reaper Death Seal, just because it's a suicide move. Lol
It's sad how you just fabricated this "rule" for the gates so your argument wouldn't sound as stupid as we all know it does.
The prime example is why i said gated form yes gai did go to the 7th gates (Keys words) in use hirudora because his prowess with 6th gates met their limits but gai as a hole did not basically if he would have stayed in his 6th gated form he would not have been able to do much else because the full power of it was exhausted. I already killed him using hirudora and still being able to maintain gates on kisame argument read above.
Your explanations mean just about nothing when you have no proof to back them up.
Except you didn't.
Yet the smaller one showed better feats by destroying a v3 susanoo also it was not that small the hole susanoo basically fitting in its mouth length wise its larger also im going to need cal on those hirudora's to determine witch one was bigger. No its not
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Hirudora is basically the same size of that no reason why amaterasu would not work it.
-Didn't want to kill Kisame.
-Had to go through GSB.
-Exploded underwater.
All factors that contribute to it being weaker.
Except Hirudora is larger than Gyuki.
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Besides, Gai can get to Sasuke's rear, and release it point blank like he did with Madara, so no, Amaterasu is not a valid counter nor will it ever be. Sasuke can't track Gai's speed, nor can he react to Gai's speed.
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Sasuke launched enton at Gaara no touching is needed there. I lol at everytime i say kirin in every thread no matter witch sasuke it is Hebi MS or EMS you in other fools always claim it is not happen Hawk followed by Amaterasu = Instant Kirin basically witch = a dead gai.
Launching=/=Controlling. Lol. Your point?
Hawk? And what does the hawk do? If he uses the hawk, Gai blitzes and obliterates him with Hirudora before he ever gets 10ft into the air. Then there's the fact that Gai can jump off his turtle to reach Sasuke. Also, Amaterasu=Instant Kirin? It's pretty sad how you constantly twist and ignore manga to make your argument not sound dumb. It took Sasuke's giant Katon, and a giant cluster of Amaterasu to heat up the atmosphere, and since Amaterasu can't be shot into the atmosphere, at least that much at once, Sasuke isn't heating it up any faster than he did against Itachi, and Gai would have wrecked him by then.
