Gai is faster then Kamui

[Touken]

Madara learned that his attacks are faster than Obito's kamui

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which is a movement b4 that page of ur's.Read that clearly,Madara said that he know that his attacks are faster than Obito because of their previous clash which means that Madara don't have any previous knowledge on Kamui's speed and he only know about Obito warping speed thanks to their previous encounter so at best Madara assumed that Kakashi's teleportation speed is same as that of Obito.Hell even Obito the real owner of Kamui don't know how fast Kakashi's kamui is unless their battle in this arc and yet ur expecting Madara to have knowledge on kamui's speed? once again regardless of whether it is Kakashi or Obito the time required by Kamui to warp others is different from the time required to warp the kamui user so U can say that the time required for Kakashi to teleport himself to the other dimention is same as that of time required by Obito to teleport to the kamui dimention but their timings are different when it comes to warping/teleporting others.

He'd already witnessed Kakashi using Kamui on the Mazo before it disappeared so all this is irrelevant.

Konan prepared that many tags because dealing with a few tags is a piece of cake for Obito and the number of paper tags are irrelavent here as we are talking about the speed of the papers. Konan managed to attack a few of her papers to Obito's body even b4 he can teleport himself to the kamui dimention which means that her paper movent is faster than Obito's teleportation.

Those paper tags were floating everywhere [

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], including around Obito and they were only floating everywhere because of the number of paper tags Konan had prepared. In a normal situation, Obito easily teleports out of there.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Gai is not faster than 2x Kamui. At least, he's faster than Obito's Kamui speed. Not even Kakashi's. Since Madara couldn't have possibly known the speed of Kakashi's. He was making a wild guess.

What today means is that Obito can't Kamui away from Guy, which is impressive by itself. Guy will wreck havoc next week

Never said Gai was faster then 2x Kamui, lol. And Kakashi has used Kamui plenty of times while Madara was present on the battlefield. Madara even knows first hand how fast Kakashi's Kamui can be [

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], and he still knew his attack would still be faster, which Gai appararently intercepted.

You all forget Obito has the 9tails and part of 1tail and 8tails inside him.

Do remember Juubito could not use Kamui due to the bijuus in him.

Obito's Kamui is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH slower than usual.

When was this stated?

 

[Avinash012]

He'd already witnessed Kakashi using Kamui on the Mazo before it disappeared so all this is irrelevant.

Lmao,Madara witnessed Kakashi's kamui when Kakashi attacked Gedo?well this is beyond me.

U can't assume the speed just by looking at it as even Obito failed to notice how fast Kakashi's kamui is despite of witnesssing it more than once during their battle.

Those paper tags were floating everywhere [

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], including around Obito and they were only floating everywhere because of the number of paper tags Konan had prepared. In a normal situation, Obito easily teleports out of there.

So u are saying that they managed to touch him because they are pretty close to him? then why can't we apply the same logic for Gai? What if Gai is pretty close to Kakashi and that Orb when it is about to hit Kakashi and what if Gai only managed to do save Kakashi because of that and he can't actually do anything if the distance b/w them is more?

 

[Touken]

Lmao,Madara witnessed Kakashi's kamui when Kakashi attacked Gedo?well this is beyond me.

U can't assume the speed just by looking at it as even Obito failed to notice how fast Kakashi's kamui is despite of witnesssing it more than once during their battle.

Oh my God. Why would you assume how fast something is when you've already seen how fast it is? And the only way to see how fast Kamui is, is by actually seeing how fast it is, which is exactly what Madara did. You're beyond me, honestly. Kakashi used timing to confuse Obito into believing his stake killed Naruto's Kage Bunshin, which is exactly why Kakashi stated "The timing must be perfect!" or something along those lines. Obito's also an idiot, he thought he'd be faster than Minato's FTG even after being part of his squad for so many years.

So u are saying that they managed to touch him because they are pretty close to him? then why can't we apply the same logic for Gai? What if Gai is pretty close to Kakashi and that Orb when it is about to hit Kakashi and what if Gai only managed to do save Kakashi because of that and he can't actually do anything if the distance b/w them is more?

So you're telling me that Gai was just waiting on the side-lines, looking for the most perfect and exquisite of entries (still happened anyway), while his closest friend is fighting against the most powerful shinobi in existence (bar SO6P)? Not happening.

 

[WolfHaley]

Yeah that's cool, just ignore everything I said.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Do remember Juubito could not use Kamui due to the bijuus in him.

Obito said it. He couldn't use Kamui during his Juubito mode because the Juubi was too big.

So it's fact that bijuus make him slower. He has the 9tails, 8tails and 1tail inside him now.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Yeah that's cool, just ignore everything I said.

But I didn't

Obito said it. He couldn't use Kamui during his Juubito mode because the Juubi was too big.

So it's fact that bijuus make him slower. He has the 9tails, 8tails and 1tail inside him now.

Manga scan please, I don't recall. Madara still knew his attack would land, regardless if it was Kakashi or Obito using the Kamui; but he wasn't expecting them to use it together to double it's warping speed. Even still, his black sphere was only a foot or so away from hitting Kakashi, and Gai still intercepted it.

 

[Retsu]

Gai just proved that kamui is overly wanked and that ppl with high speed movement and techniques can get around it, ppl claim it's slower than normal but obito said no such thing, they're trying to save face by claiming obito's kamui is handicapped when Kishi never gave that impression at all, nor did obito mention anything of the sort. Gated Gai>Kamui. also ppl always acted like kakashi has rapid fire sniping kamui with the way he ported those two susanoo arrows, but Maddy proved that if the items aren't consecutively behind each other, kakashi can't kamui them in time. I was gonna make this thread myself, but Gai and Madara just utterly shitted on all kamui hype. I love it.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Gai just proved that kamui is overly wanked and that ppl with high speed movement and techniques can get around it, ppl claim it's slower than normal but obito said no such thing, they're trying to save face by claiming obito's kamui is handicapped when Kishi never gave that impression at all, nor did obito mention anything of the sort. Gated Gai>Kamui. also ppl always acted like kakashi has rapid fire sniping kamui with the way he ported those two susanoo arrows, but Maddy proved that if the items aren't consecutively behind each other, kakashi can't kamui them in time. I was gonna make this thread myself, but Gai and Madara just utterly shitted on all kamui hype. I love it.

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He trolled KCM nardo no diff from 1 meter away.
Obito deflected those orbs with his staff and two at once.
Obito also stated he could kamui minato before FTG.

Manga stated the speed of his teleportation is variable and that time is increased when teleporting extra stuff.
Atm he has BZ, kurama and bijuu heads as extra luggage not to mention he just bounced back from death.

 

[Bogard]

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He trolled KCM nardo no diff from 1 meter away.
Obito deflected those orbs with his staff and two at once.
Obito also stated he could kamui minato before FTG.

Manga stated the speed of his teleportation is variable and that it's increased when teleporting extra stuff.
Atm he has BZ, kurama and bijuu heads as extra luggage not to mention he just bounced back from death.

What you're telling him doesn't matter since he hates the jutsu since its creation

 

[Prince Charles]

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He trolled KCM nardo no diff from 1 meter away.
Obito deflected those orbs with his staff and two at once.
Obito also stated he could kamui minato before FTG.

Manga stated the speed of his teleportation is variable and that it's increased when teleporting extra stuff.
Atm he has BZ, kurama and bijuu heads as extra luggage not to mention he just bounced back from death.

Everyone needs to read this^

 

[adeshina365]

So much damage control O_O

 

[Retsu]

So much damage control O_O

agreed, obito made no mention of his kamui being any slower and ppl are just making excuses for him and kakashi at this point.

 

[Touken]

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He trolled KCM nardo no diff from 1 meter away.
Obito deflected those orbs with his staff and two at once.
Obito also stated he could kamui minato before FTG.

Manga stated the speed of his teleportation is variable and that it's increased when teleporting extra stuff.
Atm he has BZ, kurama and bijuu heads as extra luggage not to mention he just bounced back from death.

Madara established that his Onmyouten balls would hit Obito before he himself warps away, or if Kakashi warps him away. Kakashi already Kamui'd the Gedo's massive arm almost instantly so size isn't a factor when Kakashi's doing the warping.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Madara established that his Onmyouten balls would hit Obito before he himself warps away, or if Kakashi warps him away. Kakashi already Kamui'd the Gedo's massive arm almost instantly so size isn't a factor when Kakashi's doing the warping.

Madara has established shit. I actually was surprized he didnt know of intangibility with all his knowledge zetsu spies.

What was established that current speed with extra weight was too slow, but if obito can deflect 2 orbs with one staff yet his striking and physical speed was often said to be under kakashi then the joke is on the orbs.

Manga already provided explanation for this phenomenon, only haters and trolls would say gated gai>kamui when even kakashi was keeping up with him.

 

[Retsu]

Madara has established shit. I actually was surprized he didnt know of intangibility with all his knowledge zetsu spies.

What was established that current speed with extra weight was too slow, but if obito can deflect 2 orbs with one staff yet his striking and physical speed was often said to be under kakashi then the joke is on the orbs.

Manga already provided explanation for this phenomenon, only haters and trolls would say gated gai>kamui when even kakashi was keeping up with him.

Show me manga scans stating that extra baggage slows down his kamui then if you're so certain

 

[Touken]

Madara has established shit. I actually was surprized he didnt know of intangibility with all his knowledge zetsu spies.

Uh, yeah he did.

What was established that current speed with extra weight was too slow, but if obito can deflect 2 orbs with one staff yet his striking and physical speed was often said to be under kakashi then the joke is on the orbs.

Takes a few seconds to warp away with Kamui. Doesn't take a few seconds to rotate a staff.

Manga already provided explanation for this phenomenon, only haters and trolls would say gated gai>kamui when even kakashi was keeping up with him.

No, manga didn't. @bold, lovely conclusion.

 

[Prince Charles]

Madara has established shit. I actually was surprized he didnt know of intangibility with all his knowledge zetsu spies.

What was established that current speed with extra weight was too slow, but if obito can deflect 2 orbs with one staff yet his striking and physical speed was often said to be under kakashi then the joke is on the orbs.

Manga already provided explanation for this phenomenon, only haters and trolls would say gated gai>kamui when even kakashi was keeping up with him.

LMAOOO this guy is getting turnt up!! I like this debate!

 

[AlphaScythian]

Show me manga scans stating that extra baggage slows down his kamui then if you're so certain

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Served.

Uh, yeah he did.

look at scan above U_U

Takes a few seconds to warp away with Kamui. Doesn't take a few seconds to rotate a staff.

You claim orbs to be so fast how come obito deflects 2 simultaneously fired "bullets" with his base? Makes no sense.

No, manga didn't. @bold, lovely conclusion.

Then go reread it some more.

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Here he says he could best FTG speed.

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Here he refers to current speed as not enough.

With all 3 scans in this post it's pretty clear what happened.

 

[Retsu]

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Served.
look at scan above U_U
You claim orbs to be so fast how come obito deflects 2 simultaneously fired "bullets" with his base? Makes no sense.
Then go reread it some more.

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Here he says he could best FTG speed.

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Here he refers to current speed as not enough.

With all 3 scans in this post it's pretty clear what happened.

Pretty sure that's only the case when trying to forcefully absorb someone whereas black zetsu is pretty much bonded to obito, and the fact remains that obito never said his kamui was any slower.