Gai and Tobi

[KidGamer65]

Lets be serious here...Gai doesn't stand a chance of beating Obito one on one.

-MS Obito
-Rinnegan Obito

Doesn't matter, Gai loses low diff Every. Single. Time.

 

[iSpyder]

That's not how it works because the Gate opening/ force emitting isn't instantaneous like FTG.

And for the arguments sake say it happens, well Obito goes ghost mode till that force emission stops and then grabs him again and its all over!

Right as he activated it..

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not instantaneous?

 

[Prince Charles]

One has not been able to touch the other. This was Gai w/o gates. Therefore, the fact remains Obito hasn't been able to touch base Gai, while Gai has reacted and touched his abilities. Obito being able to touch any forces him to materialize. Even without needing to touch Gai, he's shown speed to avoid his such attacks.

That is all i need to say.

And you fail to realize Obito was facing naruto and kakashi as well and your not even analyzing the fight properly, Gai lacks ninjutsu which is a major factor here.

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It won't go as smoothly as you make it out to be due to the fact that Gai cannot create such openings as he told naruto do with the use of kage bushins, Might Guy will be facing obito by himself. Even a attempted surprise attack with the use of nun chucks by Might Guy

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. I won't deny if obito's come in with CQC taijutsu against Might Guy, Guy will be able to hold him off with his taijutsu but eventually he will get warped, simple as that.

Well, my whole argument for Guy relies on the fact Guy can evade pretty much anything Obito throws at him. That's why I believe the one to go down is the one with less stamina, but it's hard to say who it is.

Kamui warp ends this, as soon as Obito gets a hold of Might guy he get's warped. Simple as that. Not too mention obito can always use human path and snatch Guy's Soul all it requires is a single palm to take his soul away.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Never noted for his stamina? I should end right here. :eww:

You should have done that long ago, thinking guy would otlast obito that is.

It's not the same, geez. These are different jutsu altogether, don't compare them.
So, I guess you're trying to explain the fact it was not used as a one-shot with plot?

Yes it is the same but under different name and size, just like chidori, raikiri, nukite.. Why used to protect gedo? Why didnt obito use rinnegan why this, why that? Dont make stupid questions to back up you speculation, we all know kishi calls the shots here. But this is common sense, barriers are used to defend and to trap. Both way displayed in manga.

So what if he gains the distance in an eye blink if I said that Guy has the speed to move out of the attack's way? :|
The point is not that Obito needs to increase distance, it's that the flame needs to REACH the target from the distance.

The hell you talk about? Did you see how wide attack it was? Nobody dodged.

 

[KidGamer65]

Are we even questioning who has more stamina here? Its clear the guy with Senju and Uchiha DNA who can control 6 Bijuu and the Mazo and still use jutsu on top of that and not feel any negative effects stamina wise, is the one who is going to outlast Gai.

 

[blazekev90]

Lets be serious here...Gai doesn't stand a chance of beating Obito one on one.

-MS Obito
-Rinnegan Obito

Doesn't matter, Gai loses low diff Every. Single. Time.

If you want to deny that Gai is a great match up for Obito, by all means do that.

Nonetheless, Gai has shown that he can stand against Obito's use of kamui comfortably.

 

[Prince Charles]

Are we even questioning who has more stamina here? Its clear the guy with Senju and Uchiha DNA who can control 6 Bijuu and the Mazo and still use jutsu on top of that and not feel any negative effects stamina wise, is the one who is going to outlast Gai.

Seriously... Kamui warp ends him.

 

[AlphaScythian]

If you want to deny that Gai is a great match up for Obito, by all means do that.
Nonetheless, Gai has shown that he can stand against Obito's use of kamui comfortably.

Obito hasnt even used kamui for teleportation, it was ghost mode. His speed is enough to save sasuke from jinton and no1 even noticed, not even karin. Gai will get some wood up his arse if obito use kamui blitz.

 

[garas56]

If you want to deny that Gai is a great match up for Obito, by all means do that.

Nonetheless, Gai has shown that he can stand against Obito's use of kamui comfortably.

Nonsense!

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[KidGamer65]

If you want to deny that Gai is a great match up for Obito, by all means do that.

Nonetheless, Gai has shown that he can stand against Obito's use of kamui comfortably.

There is nothing to deny. I can't deny something that simply isn't true. Its just you overrating Gai based on a very brief exchange where Obito was also outnumbered and had other opponents to worry about.

No, Gai showed that he can stop himself from getting warped right off the bat in a brief exchange, he never showed he can combat Kamui effectively the whole match.

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This one page leads to you believing Gai can counter Kamui and beat Obito? Lmao. I guess everyone who has done the same thing (Hitting Obito preventing him from warping you at that moment) can beat him as well.

Seriously... Kamui warp ends him.

lmao, agreed. One page and now people think Gai can beat Obito....:leaf:

 

[iSpyder]

Obito hasnt even used kamui for teleportation, it was ghost mode. His speed is enough to save sasuke from jinton and no1 even noticed, not even karin. Gai will get some wood up his arse if obito use kamui blitz.

The hell is "Ghost Mode"?
Also, he has used Kamui to teleport in his fight against Naruto when he re-appeared above him to attack.

 

[blazekev90]

And you fail to realize Obito was facing naruto and kakashi as well and your not even analyzing the fight properly, Gai lacks ninjutsu which is a major factor here.

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It won't go as smoothly as you make it out to be due to the fact that Gai cannot create such openings as he told naruto do with the use of kage bushins, Might Guy will be facing obito by himself. Even a attempted surprise attack with the use of nun chucks by Might Guy

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. I won't deny if obito's come in with CQC taijutsu against Might Guy, Guy will be able to hold him off with his taijutsu but eventually he will get warped, simple as that.



Kamui warp ends this, as soon as Obito gets a hold of Might guy he get's warped. Simple as that. Not too mention obito can always use human path and snatch Guy's Soul all it requires is a single palm to take his soul away.

I.never said it would smoothly, i said seeing as neither can touch the other there would be a draw. However, seeing ass Gai is more technical, he does have the ability to land a blow.

Obito is a portion of that fight had 1 vs 1 against Gai, this is what I'm considering. If Gai was alone Oibto still would habe approached him in the same manner, as he has in all of his fights. Gai was able to react to basis of Obito's tactics. That's the point and what remains proven.

Gai doesn't use ninjutsu, he only uses summining jutsu when needed. Ninjutsu against Obito isn't bery benefical to begin with.

That scanis Gai explaining how to defeat/make contact with obito. No big attacks, which can be easily avoided. Gai uses smart swift attacks, making it harder to react to, especially when needing to materialize to counter.

Just as one can argue eventually being wrapped, one can say Gai's technical ability can allow him to land a blow on Obito. Gates better his chances.

 

[Takos]

You should have done that long ago, thinking guy would otlast obito that is.

Yes it is the same but under different name and size, just like chidori, raikiri, nukite.. Why used to protect gedo? Why didnt obito use rinnegan why this, why that? Dont make stupid questions to back up you speculation, we all know kishi calls the shots here. But this is common sense, barriers are used to defend and to trap. Both way displayed in manga.
The hell you talk about? Did you see how wide attack it was? Nobody dodged.

I've got better things to do. Keep arguing that all barriers are the same. Keep arguing that Guy, who can jump across the turtle island in a few moments can't dodge Bakufu Ranbu. Just keep it up.

Logging out.

 

[Prince Charles]

Yeah I'm done your too stubborn U_U.

Believe Guy can beat Obito just because of that little confrontation with 2 other comrades all you want.

 

[blazekev90]

There is nothing to deny. I can't deny something that simply isn't true. Its just you overrating Gai based on a very brief exchange where Obito was also outnumbered and had other opponents to worry about.

No, Gai showed that he can stop himself from getting warped right off the bat in a brief exchange, he never showed he can combat Kamui effectively the whole match.

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This one page leads to you believing Gai can counter Kamui and beat Obito? Lmao. I guess everyone who has done the same thing (Hitting Obito preventing him from warping you at that moment) can beat him as well.



lmao, agreed. One page and now people think Gai can beat Obito....:leaf:

Gai understanding the mechanics of Kamui and his ability to prevent himself being wrapped is key to defeating Obito. In the image, we see Obito going in to touch Gai (grab him) but Gai was able to reaxt with an offensive attack, forcing Obito to become intangible. Base Gai has the ability to do this effortlessly, the key to avoid being wrapped.

To cause damage, one has to be fast N technical. IMO gates would ne an answer to that.

If you disagree, ok lol

 

[blazekev90]

Yeah I'm done your too stubborn U_U.

Believe Guy can beat Obito just because of that little confrontation with 2 other comrades all you want.

I'm really not, I'm considering their ability and what each has shown. Obito has been caught off guard before, Gai is the most technical (taijutsu) opponent he's ever faced.

Once someone can provd me otherwise I'll agree, its not a big deal really. But let's not knock the little guy because of plot perception

 

[KidGamer65]

Gai understanding the mechanics of Kamui and his ability to prevent himself being wrapped is key to defeating Obito. In the image, we see Obito going in to touch Gai (grab him) but Gai was able to reaxt with an offensive attack, forcing Obito to become intangible. Base Gai has the ability to do this effortlessly, the key to avoid being wrapped.

To cause damage, one has to be fast N technical. IMO gates would ne an answer to that.

If you disagree, ok lol

He did that in one exchange, preventing himself from getting warped in one exchange doesn't mean he's going to do that the whole match and end up beating Obito.

Gates? Gates aren't helping anything since Gai isn't moving at speeds Obito can't react to with Kamui.

The key to beating Obito is understanding Kamui, being able to prevent yourself from getting warped, and a method to actually defeat Kamui and defeat him in the process. Gai hasn't shown the last one, and the second one is something he did in one exchange, not a whole match of fighting a guy who can pass through all your attacks, and attack you with Kamui or his own jutsu, especially when one touch ends it.

 

[iSpyder]

At the end of the day, Obito has a borrowed power-up.
Without Senju cells, he would be fodder and wouldn't even be able to spam Kamui.

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[KidGamer65]

At the end of the day, Obito has a borrowed power-up.
Without Senju cells, he would be fodder and wouldn't even be able to spam Kamui.

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At the end of the day, no one gives a f*ck.

 

[Minator93]

Right as he activated it..

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not instantaneous?

Ofc not. Go read 638-641, you'll see what's FTG U_U