Gaara in a Death Battle

[BlacLord™]

NV speed is tiers above ATV, never mind the difference in sheer power.

Gaara simply blitzes her.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

This wouldn't be the first time that death battle has screwed up a match up.

Have you seen their Kirby vs. Majin Buu video??

Just watched it. So Kirby beat Kid Buu? Just what the hell?

 

[NSUNSR]

I swear it felt like part 1 Gaara was fighting this character.

And the worse thing is, that even Part 1 Gaara beats Toph, and he won't even need to transform into Shukaku, yet they make Toph beat Part 2 Gaara, someone who has become even stronger than Shukaku.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

And the worse thing is, that even Part 1 Gaara beats Toph, and he won't even need to transform into Shukaku, yet they make Toph beat Part 2 Gaara, someone who has become even stronger than Shukaku.

Well on the positive note at least this gives us a reason to not take there stuff seriously. They seem highly biased in there Death Battles. This video is proof of that.

 

[To Whatever]

Wait, War arc Gaara got beat by a little girl?

The guy who made a Sand Tsunami?

 

[xxSAGExx]

I explained why they gave her her older feat's despite using her younger sprite. They have done that sort of thing before. Look at Samus vs fett.

I don't see why she can't be skilled with sanbending Her vision isn't fussy despite walking on the beach. That alone speaks leaps and bounds of improvement.

Aang isn't toph. He has to learn multiple elements. Katara became master by end of book 1. Toph's metal bending went from rudimentary (learned during end of book 2) to finesse (by end of book 3). Mind you she's bend traveling with them for less than a year. I have no reason to believe she Sandbending wouldn't be the same. And she senses heartbeats so unless you have proof that garra's sand clones contain it there's no reason she'd be tricked by it.

No. She fought bumi before sozin's comet. Meaning during book 3. Comic isn't filler material since it's done by the creators. Ugh.

They called her 12, they were using 12 yr old Toph but gave her all of her feet from the entire Avatar series, this isn't fair as they took Shukaku from Gaara. They're alright using 19 yr old Gaara who lost Shukaku but use 12 year old Toph with 20's Toph and 88 Toph feats. Go back in the video, when one of the guys said before anyone makes a joke I'll like to remind you she's 12, this is after showing her age as 12 Avatar/ 88 Korra. They didn't do 15 Naruto/ 19 Gaara right? So why for Toph? If their using old Toph then they would have shown her as old and just say 88 yrs old plus old Toph said she's too old to really fight; she told them not to tell Korra this to keep the image of being a bad***.

Kishi still has to ok Naruto movies as they're using his content and he needs to make sure they don't mess it up by making Sakura use Gentle fist or awaken the gates without anythibg being shown or hinted in the manga. We know Gaara can break down minerals in the ground and change the density of his sand so him turning them into rocks isn't out of possibilty. But I don't care about using the movies and fillers, I was trying to make a point which is why state she's 12 but give her feats of older versions of herself.

Yes her skills with metal bending improved but can you show me an episode or comic page of 12 year old Toph using metal lines that she used as chief of police or show me Toph walking around with metal armor as her regular clothes as that came out of nowhere in the video. Or show her using sand to Attack or defend in any sort of way that can be used to show her being able to use it against Gaara. The sand at the beach and the sand at the desert are different, one is completely dry and the other is moist; the beach sand even looks dark as if water was drenched in it. Sand and dirt differs depending on the location, climate, temperature, ect...moist sand can be easier to see for her since its more held together then dry sand which is more loosely. Not all beach sand is moist but that one looked it. Gaara's sand has no water in his, only chakra.

Anyways, just rewatch the video and listen to when they're talking about Toph where she sits up with messy hair and that's when they say she's only 12, never saying she's any age older than that except when saying she becomes so and so when she's older but it showed younger Toph for the majority of the video and the age listed was both 12 and 88

 

[BenjerminGaye]

They called her 12, they were using 12 yr old Toph but gave her all of her feet from the entire Avatar series, this isn't fair as they took Shukaku from Gaara.

and thats my fault how? Seems like you have misguided anger.

They're alright using 19 yr old Gaara who lost Shukaku but use 12 year old Toph with 20's Toph and 88 Toph feats. Go back in the video, when one of the guys said before anyone makes a joke I'll like to remind you she's 12, this is after showing her age as 12 Avatar/ 88 Korra. They didn't do 15 Naruto/ 19 Gaara right? So why for Toph? If their using old Toph then they would have shown her as old and just say 88 yrs old plus old Toph said she's too old to really fight; she told them not to tell Korra this to keep the image of being a bad***.

ask boomstick.

Kishi still has to ok Naruto movies as they're using his content and he needs to make sure they don't mess it up by making Sakura use Gentle fist or awaken the gates without anythibg being shown or hinted in the manga.

the comics are done by the same ppl that do the anime. There's no such thing as "filler" in Legend of korra, or The last airbender since it's by the creators pace. Pema is an air acolyte, a group of people introduced via comic.

We know Gaara can break down minerals in the ground and change the density of his sand so him turning them into rocks isn't out of possibilty.

feats of him doing so? Cuz if he could breaking the rocks down to begin with wouldn't be necessary.

But I don't care about using the movies and fillers, I was trying to make a point which is why state she's 12 but give her feats of older versions of herself.

again. I explained that to you. they could have easily used prime toph from lok but didn't since no such sprite of her exists they used the 12 year old sprite. Same goes for them using garra's younger sprite despite using kage garra. Stop b!cthing.

Yes her skills with metal bending improved but can you show me an episode or comic page of 12 year old Toph using metal lines that she used as chief of police or show me Toph walking around with metal armor as her regular clothes as that came out of nowhere in the video. Or show her using sand to Attack or defend in any sort of way that can be used to show her being able to use it against Gaara.

it's like the fourth time you brought up the same problem....

The sand at the beach and the sand at the desert are different,

no its not. if you dig deep enough in sand in the desert you'd come across water the same way you would if you dig in sand at the beach.

one is completely dry and the other is moist; the beach sand even looks dark as if water was drenched in it.

you wanna explain to me how the color of the sand is the indicator of how wet it is?In this particular case that is.

Sand and dirt differs depending on the location, climate, temperature, ect...moist sand can be easier to see for her since its more held together then dry sand which is more loosely. Not all beach sand is moist but that one looked it.

so you're basing all this on the assumption that the sand she bent was moist? Despite its moisture having 0 effect on her Sandbending?

Gaara's sand has no water in his, only chakra.

That dosen't change her ability to perceive it at all times.

Anyways, just rewatch the video and listen to when they're talking about Toph where she sits up with messy hair and that's when they say she's only 12, never saying she's any age older than that except when saying she becomes so and so when she's older but it showed younger Toph for the majority of the video and the age listed was both 12 and 88

then they talk about her creating the police force, sensing ppl halfway across the world etc etc etc. I mean. If age is your only problem then idk what to tell you.

 

[Conspirator.]

Gaara in part 2 is a fodder and the weakest of the Gokage. The only one weaker than him is when Kakashi became Hokage.

Toph solos. Old Woman Toph trollstomps.

Not really. He's above all the gokage bar Onoki in terms of battle prowess and strenght.

 

[xxSAGExx]

and thats my fault how? Seems like you have misguided anger.
ask boomstick.

the comics are done by the same ppl that do the anime. There's no such thing as "filler" in Legend of korra, or The last airbender since it's by the creators pace. Pema is an air acolyte, a group of people introduced via comic.
feats of him doing so? Cuz if he could breaking the rocks down to begin with wouldn't be necessary.
again. I explained that to you. they could have easily used prime toph from lok but didn't since no such sprite of her exists they used the 12 year old sprite. Same goes for them using garra's younger sprite despite using kage garra. Stop b!cthing.

it's like the fourth time you brought up the same problem....
no its not. if you dig deep enough in sand in the desert you'd come across water the same way you would if you dig in sand at the beach.
you wanna explain to me how the color of the sand is the indicator of how wet it is?In this particular case that is. so you're basing all this on the assumption that the sand she bent was moist? Despite its moisture having 0 effect on her Sandbending?
That dosen't change her ability to perceive it at all times.

then they talk about her creating the police force, sensing ppl halfway across the world etc etc etc. I mean. If age is your only problem then idk what to tell you.

Did I say it was your fault? No I didn't. It's screwattack fault. And "prime Toph" would most likely be when she was pilolice chief yet she has little to no feat compared to kid Top and that's why they were using her at age 12. They only gave her every feat she every did which isn't fair in this match if they're using young Toph. You can not gauge Toph's skills when she was police chief of you never seen her fight skilled fighters; that's like me using Current Gaara who is around 31-32 and saying he's much more skilled than any form of Toph. I can't say that as he has not feats, all we know is that he would be stronger than his 19 self.

No need to ask Boomstick when others and myself can see and hear them call her a 12 yr and give her feats of her older self. They showed Gaara's younger self when they started with Gaara but still listed his age as 19. You're being bias if you have no issue with this. I mentioned the comics because I never read them nor know who writes them as comics tend to have different writers who might not be the actual creators. The video was using filler with Gaara if you didn't notice, when they say he can make weapons with his sand, that was around episode 200 in Naruto (part 1) but wasn't of use as he infused some of Shukaku's chakra into them which is why they had red on them. Might as well use Gaara from the movies like they used GT for Goku as its still the character.

Same problem because you over look that they were using 12 yr old Toph. They stayed her age verbally and before that listed her age as 12 avatar/ 88 Korra while not listing Gaara's as 15 Naruto/ 19 Shippuden. If it was prime Toph then why not list it as in 20's or 30's? Because they weren't using her. They were using kid Toph as she asked Gaara if he was scared of a little girl. They don't know what police chief Toph can do as they gave no feat for her to show her skills in a fight. They also used old Toph feat which mid age Toph didn't show to have yet you're ok with this.

I mentioned the sand because you said she didn't have a problem seeing but it could be due to the different climate and type of sand. Which place would I reach watch faster, on the shore a couple of feet from the water or in the middle of the desert. It's not the same as the climate is hot, and doesn't rain that much where as it differs by the beach. The color of the sand can give you an idea if the sand or soil is moist, water makes the sand/dirt clump together compared to dry sand/dirt which is how you can make sand castles and such. So her being able to see could be because the sand was more held together than the sand in the desert as its more loosely. I've seen beach sand dry and loosely at one beach during a hot day and moist at other beaches which is why I mentioned it.

They weren't by the beach that much for her to train much as I said before and you can't give me any Attack/defense feat with her using sand so you can't use that in a battle against a master sand user who sand is really fast to the point it catches sensors and faster people than Toph before. Toph is a sensor but is not fast compared to who Gaara fights against. Who's prime Toph to you? Old Toph? Because they listed old Toph feats and police chief Toph doesn't have mud bending feats or using spirit vines to sense around the world (yes she uses spirit vines as she taught Korra to use them). Not seeing police Toph in a fight means you can't rate her fighting skills as kid Toph fighting skills is the only one they used in the video while giving her the little amount of feats her older selves had.

Kid Toph doesn't use metal lines, there's no metal for her to use metal armor out of nowhere. She can only tell heart beats if you're on the ground as she uses her seismic sense for that. She has no feat of using sand bending for Attack or defense. When they show her taking Gaara's sand spike, making it hard and knocking him out of his sand shield; Gaara's sand can block things harder/stronger than rocks so that wouldn't have worked. Gaara has a large chakra reserve as he fought Kage level ninjas back to back so yes he had ton of chakra so he can face her for a long time. Also if his sand is fast enough to protect him from ninjas who move extremely fast compared to benders then I don't see Toph getting close to him at all. Even if you were to say she's a master level sand bender, she has no attacking or defending feats using sand and Gaara been a master sand bender for over 10 years compared to kid Toph.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Did I say it was your fault? No I didn't. It's screwattack fault. And "prime Toph" would most likely be when she was pilolice chief yet she has little to no feat compared to kid Top and that's why they were using her at age 12. They only gave her every feat she every did which isn't fair in this match if they're using young Toph. You can not gauge Toph's skills when she was police chief of you never seen her fight skilled fighters; that's like me using Current Gaara who is around 31-32 and saying he's much more skilled than any form of Toph. I can't say that as he has not feats, all we know is that he would be stronger than his 19 self.

prime toph retains all of her kid feats tho. It's not like garra who lost abilities along the way. Her using metal armor and cables is proof of this.

No need to ask Boomstick when others and myself can see and hear them call her a 12 yr and give her feats of her older self. They showed Gaara's younger self when they started with Gaara but still listed his age as 19.

is that not his age in chapter 699? Or are you going to use chapter 700 garra who has no extra feats? Prime toph showed metal bender suit trained metal benders and created the meta bending police. So actions that we see lin(or any metal bending police 4 that matter )can be attributed to toph since she taught them. Heck despite lin and su being bamf she still says they're not as good metal benders as her.

You're being bias if you have no issue with this.

I'm not being bias since my argument is sound.

I mentioned the comics because I never read them nor know who writes them as comics tend to have different writers who might not be the actual creators.

that's not the case for the avatar franchise.

The video was using filler with Gaara if you didn't notice, when they say he can make weapons with his sand, that was around episode 200 in Naruto (part 1) but wasn't of use as he infused some of Shukaku's chakra into them which is why they had red on them.

I did notice that. So why are you mad about it? They gave him extra feats despite manga him at best only made shurikens with sand.

Might as well use Gaara from the movies like they used GT for Goku as its still the character.

Yeah but movie garra's best feat is turning into sand. . I don't see how that helps him here. You're full on ranting now.

Same problem because you over look that they were using 12 yr old Toph. They stayed her age verbally and before that listed her age as 12 avatar/ 88 Korra while not listing Gaara's as 15 Naruto/ 19 Shippuden. If it was prime Toph then why not list it as in 20's or 30's? Because they weren't using her.

if they weren't using prime toph why mention her lok feats? If they weren't using current garra why mention his filler feats? You're assuming that them mentioning her age during her background check on her abilities means that they're gonna make her that age in the fight. I mean they also called her 6 when she first learned earthbending but it wasn't a 6yr old Toph now was it?

They were using kid Toph as she asked Gaara if he was scared of a little girl.

Even in her prime she called aang twinkle toes.Heck 88 yr old Toph still call's ppl names and makes jokes. I don't think it's beyond her to say things like that.

They don't know what police chief Toph can do as they gave no feat for her to show her skills in a fight.

so where did the metal bending suit and cables come from? Cuz last I checked that's prime toph feats that she used against yakone.

They also used old Toph feat which mid age Toph didn't show to have yet you're ok with this.

sensing around the world? She dosen't even do that via her seismic sense. She does it via spirit vine. Something unavailable to her in the actual matchup.

I mentioned the sand because you said she didn't have a problem seeing but it could be due to the different climate and type of sand.

which you still don't have a way of proving...

Which place would I reach watch faster, on the shore a couple of feet from the water or in the middle of the desert.

in both cases digging 4ft+ into the ground would net you water.

It's not the same as the climate is hot, and doesn't rain that much where as it differs by the beach.

true. But that doesn't change her Sandbending now does it.

The color of the sand can give you an idea if the sand or soil is moist,

no the color of sand is an indication of what type of rock is in that area. I've been to black beaches. The sand is still dry.

water makes the sand/dirt clump together compared to dry sand/dirt which is how you can make sand castles and such.

to make sand castles you have to (in my experience ) actively wet the sand first.

So her being able to see could be because the sand was more held together than the sand in the desert as its more loosely.

you've based this proof on the sand's color despite sand color not being an indicator of wetness.

I've seen beach sand dry and loosely at one beach during a hot day and moist at other beaches which is why I mentioned it.

an honorable mention. But until you come with somthing better than sand color it won't hold up.

They weren't by the beach that much for her to train much as I said before

in one of her first fights she was able to turn the floor beneath her into dust (as shown in the video)giving her the edge against her 3 opponents. I don't see why she can't turn it into a bigger particle that qualities as sand.

and you can't give me any Attack/defense feat with her using sand

Well there's the dust cloud as mentioned above but my focus is not her combatting Garra with sand(since his larger scale would beat her 10/10) but turning it into rock/stone.

so you can't use that in a battle against a master sand user who sand is really fast to the point it catches sensors

what sensor has it caught? It didn't catch muu. It caught deidara cuz he wanted it to, and the sensory nin in naruto have to switch to sensory mode. Unlike toph who in this case is sensing him at all times.

and faster people than Toph before.

what speedster has garra fought?

Toph is a sensor but is not fast compared to who Gaara fights against.

already cleared this up.

Who's prime Toph to you? Old Toph? Because they listed old Toph feats

old Toph's only feat is worldwide sensing via vines. It's obviously metal bender chief.

and police chief Toph doesn't have mud bending feats

she mud bended multiple times as a kid. First against the drill. Second to help purify some water, third to train aang. So that's not an old Toph feat

or using spirit vines to sense around the world (yes she uses spirit vines as she taught Korra to use them).

I'm well aware.

Not seeing police Toph in a fight means you can't rate her fighting skills

not true. She'd retain the praying mantis style she has as a kid while using the metal bender suit all cops use(she trained them after all) with its standard metal cables.

as kid Toph fighting skills is the only one they used in the video while giving her the little amount of feats her older selves had.

They didn't give her worldwide sensing. they gave her the suit and cables, feats she has canon showed during her prime. It's not my fault 700 garra's best feat is talking.

Kid Toph doesn't use metal lines, there's no metal for her to use metal armor out of nowhere.

That really rustled your jimmies didn't it.

She can only tell heart beats if you're on the ground as she uses her seismic sense for that.

Scans of garra's sand clones flying?

She has no feat of using sand bending for Attack or defense.

already covered.

When they show her taking Gaara's sand spike, making it hard and knocking him out of his sand shield; Gaara's sand can block things harder/stronger than rocks so that wouldn't have worked.

it was garra's spike, and she simply could have done this:

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to garra's shield. Moving her hands through sand like butter.

Gaara has a large chakra reserve as he fought Kage level ninjas back to back so yes he had ton of chakra so he can face her for a long time.

he faced 1 kage by himself. He was playing backup for onnoki against muu and his father gave up willingly. he got recharged by tsunade against madara. So I wouldn't use that as a reflection of his reserves. Especially when you have kakashi besting him in feats for that.

Also if his sand is fast enough to protect him from ninjas who move extremely fast compared to benders then I don't see Toph getting close to him at all.

why would toph physically engage him when she can just bend the sand he protects himself with?

Even if you were to say she's a master level sand bender, she has no attacking or defending feats using sand and Gaara been a master sand bender for over 10 years compared to kid Toph.

but he has shown the feat of turning sand into stone. If he does this against to his gourd sand he can't use it anymore. Meaning he can't use it to crush more sand for himself, and his best offense/defense is no longer available to him.

 

[xxSAGExx]

prime toph retains all of her kid feats tho. It's not like garra who lost abilities along the way. Her using metal armor and cables is proof of this.

is that not his age in chapter 699? Or are you going to use chapter 700 garra who has no extra feats? Prime toph showed metal bender suit trained metal benders and created the meta bending police. So actions that we see lin(or any metal bending police 4 that matter )can be attributed to toph since she taught them. Heck despite lin and su being bamf she still says they're not as good metal benders as her.
I'm not being bias since my argument is sound.
that's not the case for the avatar franchise. I did notice that. So why are you mad about it? They gave him extra feats despite manga him at best only made shurikens with sand. Yeah but movie garra's best feat is turning into sand. . I don't see how that helps him here. You're full on ranting now.

if they weren't using prime toph why mention her lok feats? If they weren't using current garra why mention his filler feats? You're assuming that them mentioning her age during her background check on her abilities means that they're gonna make her that age in the fight. I mean they also called her 6 when she first learned earthbending but it wasn't a 6yr old Toph now was it?
Even in her prime she called aang twinkle toes.Heck 88 yr old Toph still call's ppl names and makes jokes. I don't think it's beyond her to say things like that.
so where did the metal bending suit and cables come from? Cuz last I checked that's prime toph feats that she used against yakone. sensing around the world? She dosen't even do that via her seismic sense. She does it via spirit vine. Something unavailable to her in the actual matchup.

which you still don't have a way of proving...
in both cases digging 4ft+ into the ground would net you water. true. But that doesn't change her Sandbending now does it. no the color of sand is an indication of what type of rock is in that area. I've been to black beaches. The sand is still dry.

to make sand castles you have to (in my experience ) actively wet the sand first.
you've based this proof on the sand's color despite sand color not being an indicator of wetness.
an honorable mention. But until you come with somthing better than sand color it won't hold up.

in one of her first fights she was able to turn the floor beneath her into dust (as shown in the video)giving her the edge against her 3 opponents. I don't see why she can't turn it into a bigger particle that qualities as sand. Well there's the dust cloud as mentioned above but my focus is not her combatting Garra with sand(since his larger scale would beat her 10/10) but turning it into rock/stone. what sensor has it caught? It didn't catch muu. It caught deidara cuz he wanted it to, and the sensory nin in naruto have to switch to sensory mode. Unlike toph who in this case is sensing him at all times.
what speedster has garra fought? already cleared this up.
old Toph's only feat is worldwide sensing via vines. It's obviously metal bender chief.
she mud bended multiple times as a kid. First against the drill. Second to help purify some water, third to train aang. So that's not an old Toph feat
I'm well aware.
not true. She'd retain the praying mantis style she has as a kid while using the metal bender suit all cops use(she trained them after all) with its standard metal cables.
They didn't give her worldwide sensing. they gave her the suit and cables, feats she has canon showed during her prime. It's not my fault 700 garra's best feat is talking.

That really rustled your jimmies didn't it.
Scans of garra's sand clones flying?
already covered.
it was garra's spike, and she simply could have done this:

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to garra's shield. Moving her hands through sand like butter.


he faced 1 kage by himself. He was playing backup for onnoki against muu and his father gave up willingly. he got recharged by tsunade against madara. So I wouldn't use that as a reflection of his reserves. Especially when you have kakashi besting him in feats for that. why would toph physically engage him when she can just bend the sand he protects himself with?
but he has shown the feat of turning sand into stone. If he does this against to his gourd sand he can't use it anymore. Meaning he can't use it to crush more sand for himself, and his best offense/defense is no longer available to him.

I know that, I'm not saying she would forget them but you would think her skills in what she can do in those moves would improve right? Prime Toph doesn't have this. It's like me saying prime Toph can do all of what kid Toph can do but much greater without anything to show for it. Yes she has metal bending but as you said she was better than others so you can't use what they can do unless they have the actual style Toph does down pact and uses it as Toph would. Yes that's his age in 699, they put the age of the version they were using, for Gaara it was 19 but for Toph it was 12 and 88. They put the age of the person they use in the video in their list, if they didn't know Toph prime age then they could have put a "?" Or say in her high 20's/low 30's but they didn't. Also you're right on the mud bending but why show old Toph doing this then? Old Toph shouldn't even been mentioned if it's prime Toph yet she's listed under Toph age.

That feat for Gaara isn't extra as he cant even use it without Shukaku, he still use sand weapons such as sand Shurikens but that's it. I never said Toph didn't have her name calling trait, just that she called herself a little girl, she called herself old lady at 88 so I highly doubt she would refer to herself as a little girl when she's a grown adult. That was a nickname for Aang, little girl wasn't her nickname but what she was at the time she said it in Avatar which was a 12 yr old girl. As for the mentioning of her being 6, they said she ran away at 6 but did not say anything about what she was doing or learning when they said she was 12. He said it so the other guy wouldn't make any perverted jokes about her being able to make rock materials soft or hard. No need to say that if she was Prime Toph, they were talking about the Toph they were using which is a 12 yr old girl.

The metal suits the cops use isn't metal all around the body, in the video she covered her whole body as Kid Toph did on the Fire nation airship. Also Gaara beat his dad then assisted Oonoki with Muu then beat 2nd Mizukage then assisted against Edo Madara all before Tsunade healed him as I said many times. Kabuto was making all Edo's fight so Gaara's dad couldn't have just gave up, Gaara overpowered him and beat him. He had a ton of trouble against 2nd Mizukage yet used his brain and power to win. He actually helped fight Madara with Oonoki, Naruto clone, and the platoon that was there all before Tsunade and A arrived. He held down Susanoo while pulling Madara out, helped Naruto's clones, helped Oonoki try to stop the meteors. So yes he fought and assisted against Kage level opponents back to back as I said before; he has more than enough chakra to fight.

They used Kid Toph, everyone who see the video can see that as they said it in the video, they have 12/88 listed, and she calls herself a little girl which I doubt a grown Toph would do; she would have changed it to suit her age as old Toph called herself old lady. Toph did physically engage Gaara at the end by coming from behind him when his sand would had protected him plus she's not that fast for him to lose her. Also where does it show Toph being able to make huge pillars? There no reason to mention anything about Gaara in ch. 700 as he's 12 years older than the Gaara they're using and that's the point I was trying to make. There no reason of showing or telling us anything about a version of the fighters that aren't in play. Don't mention prime Top or old Toph if uses kid Toph. They have kid Toph state verbally and have it written in her info while Gaara's is only 19 and not 15/19 or 15/31. You put the age of the version you're using.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I know that, I'm not saying she would forget them but you would think her skills in what she can do in those moves would improve right?

I'm not hypothesizing that her Sandbending skills improved in my argument though.The only improvement I'm referring to is the one she referred to.

Prime Toph doesn't have this. It's like me saying prime Toph can do all of what kid Toph can do but much greater without anything to show for it.

Nobody mentioned the greater amount though. Her feats carry over and she gets the new feats of the suit and the cable.

Yes she has metal bending but as you said she was better than others so you can't use what they can do unless they have the actual style Toph does down pact and uses it as Toph would.

their skills are inferior to her by her own admission. Su and lin who were raised and trained by toph is not as good as toph in metal bending as her even in her old age. Not even in comparing to her prime, as she said.

Yes that's his age in 699, they put the age of the version they were using,

where did they put that. Surely isn't in the description.

for Gaara it was 19 but for Toph it was 12 and 88.

cuz that's her age in tla and lok respectively.

They put the age of the person they use in the video in their list,

Actually after watching it again... they didn't.

if they didn't know Toph prime age then they could have put a "?" Or say in her high 20's/low 30's but they didn't.

again that's them.

Also you're right on the mud bending but why show old Toph doing this then?

idk. But mud bending isn't somthing new for her.

Old Toph shouldn't even been mentioned if it's prime Toph yet she's listed under Toph age.

she's mentioned cuz she has feats. Much like how they mentioned every version of goku. And every version of garra( except for 700 garra)

That feat for Gaara isn't extra as he cant even use it without Shukaku,

makes sense why he didn't use it in the fight. But much like old Toph they need not bring it up right?

he still use sand weapons such as sand Shurikens but that's it.

And pyramids.

I never said Toph didn't have her name calling trait, just that she called herself a little girl, she called herself old lady at 88 so I highly doubt she would refer to herself as a little girl when she's a grown adult.

she might. It's her way of making herself to seem beneath her opponent. Much like how if she kicks someones ass she'd comment on her blindness while doing it.

That was a nickname for Aang, little girl wasn't her nickname but what she was at the time she said it in Avatar which was a 12 yr old girl. As for the mentioning of her being 6, they said she ran away at 6 but did not say anything about what she was doing or learning when they said she was 12.

If you payed attention they said she learned earthbending at age 6, same goes for her sensing.

He said it so the other guy wouldn't make any perverted jokes about her being able to make rock materials soft or hard.

above. And they also did the same for garra. Talking about his childhood him as a baby etcetc.

No need to say that if she was Prime Toph, they were talking about the Toph they were using which is a 12 yr old girl.

if it wasn't prime toph the metal suit/cable wouldn't be a factor in the fight.

The metal suits the cops use isn't metal all around the body, in the video she covered her whole body as Kid Toph did on the Fire nation airship.

it had the cable, linking it more to the metal suits police wear.

Also Gaara beat his dad

dad gave up.

then assisted Oonoki with Muu

which got further assistance from naruto

then beat 2nd Mizukage

with help from onnoki

then assisted against Edo Madara all before Tsunade healed him as I said many times.

I'm well aware.

Kabuto was making all Edo's fight so Gaara's dad couldn't have just gave up,

Actually you can just give up. Sasori did it with ease. Garra dad literally blocked 1 attack, talked to garra, then got sealed.

Gaara overpowered him and beat him.

no, garra's dad autopiloted against garra's initial attack then he stood there and git sealed.

He had a ton of trouble against 2nd Mizukage yet used his brain and power to win.

onnoki had to destroy the clam,and give him info on jokey boy.

He actually helped fight Madara with Oonoki, Naruto clone, and the platoon that was there all before Tsunade and A arrived

Yeah an assistant role.

He held down Susanoo while pulling Madara out, helped Naruto's clones, helped Oonoki try to stop the meteors. So yes he fought and assisted against Kage level opponents back to back as I said before; he has more than enough chakra to fight.

I never questioned that. I don't like you trying to oversell it but. Hey.

They used Kid Toph, everyone who see the video can see that as they said it in the video, they have 12/88 listed, and she calls herself a little girl which I doubt a grown Toph would do; she would have changed it to suit her age as old Toph called herself old lady.

you repeated this already.

Toph did physically engage Gaara at the end by coming from behind him when his sand would had protected him plus she's not that fast for him to lose her.

she could easily bend the sand away.

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but yeah cqc from toph makes no sense.

Also where does it show Toph being able to make huge pillars?

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book 2 toph.

There no reason to mention anything about Gaara in ch. 700 as he's 12 years older than the Gaara they're using and that's the point I was trying to make.

but it happened on both sides. They mention baby garra and 6yr old toph. They mention garra his tailed beast and his death despite the version of garra they're using being one without a tailed beast. It's backstory to familiarize pll who aren't aware of what the characters were/is/no longer capable of.

There no reason of showing or telling us anything about a version of the fighters that aren't in play.

above.

Don't mention prime Top or old Toph if uses kid Toph.

read above, stop ranting and they did it for both. Garra's spear isn't cannon.

They have kid Toph state verbally and have it written in her info while Gaara's is only 19 and not 15/19 or 15/31. You put the age of the version you're using.

That's not written anywhere in the description or the video. Ages were only mentioned to correspond to the feats that accompanied it.

Prime cannon toph beats garra.
Non cannon toph stomps.

 

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I'm not hypothesizing that her Sandbending skills improved in my argument though.The only improvement I'm referring to is the one she referred to.
Nobody mentioned the greater amount though. Her feats carry over and she gets the new feats of the suit and the cable.
their skills are inferior to her by her own admission. Su and lin who were raised and trained by toph is not as good as toph in metal bending as her even in her old age. Not even in comparing to her prime, as she said. where did they put that. Surely isn't in the description. cuz that's her age in tla and lok respectively.
Actually after watching it again... they didn't. again that's them. idk. But mud bending isn't somthing new for her.
she's mentioned cuz she has feats. Much like how they mentioned every version of goku. And every version of garra( except for 700 garra)

makes sense why he didn't use it in the fight. But much like old Toph they need not bring it up right?
And pyramids. she might. It's her way of making herself to seem beneath her opponent. Much like how if she kicks someones ass she'd comment on her blindness while doing it.

If you payed attention they said she learned earthbending at age 6, same goes for her sensing.
above. And they also did the same for garra. Talking about his childhood him as a baby etcetc.

if it wasn't prime toph the metal suit/cable wouldn't be a factor in the fight.

it had the cable, linking it more to the metal suits police wear.

dad gave up.
which got further assistance from naruto with help from onnoki
I'm well aware.
Actually you can just give up. Sasori did it with ease. Garra dad literally blocked 1 attack, talked to garra, then got sealed.
no, garra's dad autopiloted against garra's initial attack then he stood there and git sealed.
onnoki had to destroy the clam,and give him info on jokey boy.
Yeah an assistant role. I never questioned that. I don't like you trying to oversell it but. Hey.

you repeated this already.
she could easily bend the sand away.

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but yeah cqc from toph makes no sense.

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book 2 toph.
but it happened on both sides. They mention baby garra and 6yr old toph. They mention garra his tailed beast and his death despite the version of garra they're using being one without a tailed beast. It's backstory to familiarize pll who aren't aware of what the characters were/is/no longer capable of.
above. read above, stop ranting and they did it for both. Garra's spear isn't cannon.
That's not written anywhere in the description or the video. Ages were only mentioned to correspond to the feats that accompanied it.

Prime cannon toph beats garra.
Non cannon toph stomps.

They put Gaara's age, version they were using, at the start as they were telling his back story; happened at 2:21. They put Toph's close to her beginning as well at 7:25. You say they put those ages because that's what her ages were in each series but that's not how they do it, they put the age of the version their using up which is why Gaara's was only "19" and not "15 (Naruto)/19 (Naruto Shippuden). They started Gaara's story with Gaara's beginning (infant and toddler) while Toph's begins with how we are introduced to her then talks about when she was 6 and learned earth bending. You say they were using prime Toph but they put them using kid Toph/old Toph so it looks like it's kid Toph with everything Toph has done up to old Toph as they have her age list and brings up what she did which shouldn't play a factor at all.

Exactly my point with the metal, it shouldn't be a factor as they make it seem to be kid Toph or old Toph as both are listed in age. Prime Toph is mentioned as what Toph later goes on to become then it mentions old Toph as well and brings up some of her skills. Sasori was one of the first sent out and Kabuto prevented others from doing what Sasori did, he made they fight and gave them their personality to mess with the alliance. Getting assistances or assisting others when it's Kage level ninjas doesn't hinder the feat if the ninja was just that strong, Gaara made sand clone of Oonoki so he does use transformation+Sand clone together to fool his enemies. Oonoki couldn't help much due to his back against 2nd Mizukage. They said Gaara uses a lot of chakra using his sand but he used his sand a lot, that's why I mentioned those fights and what he did even when assisting someone else.

Have Toph bend sand away from master level earth benders? Also Gaara's sand is faster than the eye can see so that's faster than in Avatar I'm sure. As Lee told Sasuke: It doesn't matter if you can see my moves, if you're not fast enough to react then it's useless. Same thing for Toph, if she's not fast enough to react to the sand then she can't properly block them even with her sensing the sand. Ex: I don't see Karin evading Sasuke, Itachi, Minato, Naruto, or other faster ninjas even with her sensing.

They labeled Gaara as 19 even before going on with his younger self and they only went up to and include all he did and what happened to him up to the age 19. They start off with Toph as a teen then went to when she was 6 then back to 12 as theY label her age 12/88. They did nothing to make use believe they were using prime Toph as they didn't tell us and by giving us info on old Toph.

Kid Gaara beats kid Toph, 19 yr old Gaara isn't his prime but I see him beating kid Toph but losing to prime Toph. Prime Gaara i see beating Prime Toph; the amount of sand he carries is a little jug, he either can do heavy damage with that amount or can instantly make sand from the ground as kid Gaara make more sand under a minute against Kimimaru and Kimimaru was really fast (faster than Initial form Naruto).