funny how Itachi is stronger than most kages of history

[Draphsin]

Lee was called a genius, guess he is equal to Itachi

Point is that he's never been praised for his intelligence. Just because lee was called a genius doesnt mean that he's on Itachi's level of genius. However gaara has never even been given that kind of praise, so he souldnt even be considered in the intelligence department (at least compared to Itachi).

Itachi even outsmarted kabuto on numerous occasions, are you seriously putting gaara on kabuto's level of intelligence as well?

Garra was called the Golden Child (whatever ot was)

So?

What's your point exactly?

Itachi is smarter & more skilled than gaara, Itachi wins 8/10 times.

Tell me when I'll consider this. Otherwise carry on, I'm entertaining everyone in this thread

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[Penguin]

You say Itachi would use alot of crow clones, and act as if the Hokage's have no clone techniques. Tobirama > Itachi
Minato=Itachi but KCM Minato > Itachi
Itachi > Tsunade

 

[blazekev90]

meh I am at my limits too, can you find a manga scan to correlate distance and the effectiveness of a genjutsu?

you are underestimating Itachi who is also known as one of the most prominent genjutsu users. Kabuto practically made himself invincible against genjutsu and yet Itachi found a way of putting him under it. In other words, Itachi never had a single fight in which he couldn't find a way to put his enemy under genjutsu. Kurenai, kakashi, Orochimaru, Naruto, Deidara, Sasuke, DSM kabuto are some of his genjutsu victims.

Don't you think maybe, just maybe, you are overestimaing gaara. Its true that Gaara never faced anyone like Itachi either. MS Sasuke at that time had other intentions(killing Danzo) and had no time to toy with Gaara and also was pretty beat up.

I'm not under or overestimating neither of them.

I know Itachi has successfully caught shinobi in genjutsu. Most being ignorant to his ability and underestimating him and all being close range. Garra has none of these traits

Genjutsu is short-mid range attacks man. Idk what else you want me to say really. Plus, Itachi has never iwnusing long range genjutsu

 

[kennsu2g5]

You are a 1000% right

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

this thread is cancerous.

 

[BlackFlame44]

Point is that he's never been praised for his intelligence. Just because lee was called a genius doesnt mean that he's on Itachi's level of genius. However gaara has never even been given that kind of praise, so he souldnt even be considered in the intelligence department (at least compared to Itachi).

Itachi even outsmarted kabuto on numerous occasions, are you seriously putting gaara on kabuto's level of intelligence as well?



So?



Itachi is smarter & more skilled than gaara, Itachi wins 8/10 times.

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I'm pretty sure being a word leader, general of an army and motivating different parts of world is a sign of genius

 

[blazekev90]

Point is that he's never been praised for his intelligence. Just because lee was called a genius doesnt mean that he's on Itachi's level of genius. However gaara has never even been given that kind of praise, so he souldnt even be considered in the intelligence department (at least compared to Itachi).

Itachi even outsmarted kabuto on numerous occasions, are you seriously putting gaara on kabuto's level of intelligence as well?



So?



Itachi is smarter & more skilled than gaara, Itachi wins 8/10 times.

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As i stated earlier, hype fools everyone.

Haha your done

 

[Strict]

Strict i.know you are a die hard Itachi fanboy, but you can't discredit Garra's intelligence and assume Itachi's superior.

According to Hiruzen, Itachi had the reasoning of a Hokage already as a child. He was praised for his intelligence various times and also proved it by excellent usage of analytical battle skills and advance planning. He was Anbu leader at an age of 13, he detected the existence of Obito by himself, again as a child and Kabuto praised him to be on a whole other level than his Uchiha brethren, possessing true ocular powers and the ability to read peoples souls. Gaara however has a databook state in intelligence of 4 in the latest databook; at the age of Itachi, it was 2,5.

Telling me I'm a die hard Itachi fanboy while you are babbling bullshit continuously shows how serious you are.

 

[Draphsin]

I'm pretty sure being a word leader, general of an army and motivating different parts of world is a sign of genius

I'm not going to highlight all of Itachi's intelligence feats. If you think that gaara is a genius comparable to Itachi just because he is in command of an army then there would be absolutely no point in trying to convince you otherwise. You wouldnt be able to understand..

As i stated earlier, hype fools everyone.

Haha your done

Feats > Hype

Itachi not only has hype over our young lad, but he has feats as well.

Itachi is smarter than gaara

 

[Grammar Nazi]

I'm not under or overestimating neither of them.

I know Itachi has successfully caught shinobi in genjutsu. Most being ignorant to his ability and underestimating him and all being close range. Garra has none of these traits

Genjutsu is short-mid range attacks man. Idk what else you want me to say really. Plus, Itachi has never iwnusing long range genjutsu

Its called visual genjutsu so long as the eye perceives the image that creates disturbance in chakra nature. Itachi never used it because he never was in need to use it. We can't really say it's impossible considering the relatively low amount of screen time Itachi had.

alrighty I guess I better call it agree to disagree then, no matter what I say, it wouldn't change your mind and same would go for me too.

gg tho. I usually debate AGAINST itachi and it was fun debating FOR him for a change.

 

[SeBa]

hokages
Itachi kept up with KCM Naruto

(no trolls / haters / spammers please
and don't call me a fanboy unless you can prove me wrong)

when i see this .... : :nuts::dead::stfu:
it was just ****ing taijutsu not a ****ing speed contest, naruto dodge A at full speed in KCM. lol

1-4 hokages all can beat itachi even manga stated when they were brought back : ''the strongest soldiers are ready''.
i don't really give a shit about the other kage's.

 

[xcoyote]

According to Hiruzen, Itachi had the reasoning of a Hokage already as a child. He was praised for his intelligence various times and also proved it by excellent usage of analytical battle skills and advance planning. He was Anbu leader at an age of 13, he detected the existence of Obito by himself, again as a child and Kabuto praised him to be on a whole other level then his Uchiha brethren, possessing true ocular powers and the ability to read peoples souls. Gaar however has a databook state in intelligence of 4 in the latest databook; at the age of Itachi, it was 2,5.

Telling me I'm a die hard Itachi fanboy while you are babbling bullshit continuously shows how serious you are.

better than his Uchiha brethren? Madara can spamm freaking meteors,Obito makes 5jins his *****es and goes to town....
Jiraya solos Itachi,Itachi said so

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[Ababeel]

hokages
Hashirama is the only one Itachi can't beat
genjutsu gg amaterasu gg
thunder god slash rasengan katon jutsus enma are countered with crow clones the onlyone who might cause problem is Minato... they're obviously OP (except Tsunade) but I can't see them win sorry

kazekages
3rd iron sand is way too slow... Itachi could one-shots him 6264 until he could form an absoluty defense
4th & Gaara: Itachi stomps.... no explanation needed here

mizukages
trollkage stands a chance (loses imo but puts up a good fight)
Mei is far below Itachi's level... even a sannin might beat him

tsuchikages
they are the most OP kages after hokages of course
both Muu and Onoki puts up a good fight Muu might beat him (though my money is on Itachi)

raikages
the 3rd Raikage gets defeated by genjutsu
A's only adventage would be speed but since Itachi kept up with KCM Naruto I'm sure A can't "speedblitz" him (as fanboys say) even if he catches him it will be a crow clone or genjutsu... I can't see A win...


as you see Itachi clearly wins against most of them
the only one who definitely beats him is Hashirama (in my peronal opinion even against him Itachi might stand a chance but I'm way too tired to debate)
Muu Onoki Trollkage stand a chance
by feats everyone else loses

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and don't call me a fanboy unless you can prove me wrong)

1- I disagree, all the Hokages are stronger than Itachi, except Tsunade.

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and there are many others that I won't bother to bring them.

2- Well, the 1st & 2nd we don't know about them, and I actually think Gaara can beat Itachi, he already stopped
the Amaterasu, and fought 5 Susanoo and even pulled madara out of it.

3- Agreed. and for the Sannin we know that Jiraiya > Itachi & Kisame as they said.

4- the problem how he will put him under his genjutsu? because we can say the 3rd will kill him by his finger as well
the problem is how! and for A I think he's also stronger than Itachi, you example is poor, since Naruto did not want
to fight, nor did he used his full speed.

5- Onoki & Mu are also stronger than Itachi.

as you can see, Itachi only stronger than those who we dont know about, or those who only have 1 or 2 chapter
to show SOME of their power, unlike Itachi who had SEVERAL battles to show his FULL power. it's not even fair.

 

[blazekev90]

According to Hiruzen, Itachi had the reasoning of a Hokage already as a child. He was praised for his intelligence various times and also proved it by excellent usage of analytical battle skills and advance planning. He was Anbu leader at an age of 13, he detected the existence of Obito by himself, again as a child and Kabuto praised him to be on a whole other level then his Uchiha brethren, possessing true ocular powers and the ability to read peoples souls. Gaar however has a databook state in intelligence of 4 in the latest databook; at the age of Itachi, it was 2,5.

Telling me I'm a die hard Itachi fanboy while you are babbling bullshit continuously shows how serious you are.

Yes, i know what he was credited for. I don't need to be reminded what has been stated, while i can state multiple things that had been stated in the manga, yet has disregarded as a misconception.

Itachi unlile his clans members studied the history and methods of his heritage further than anyone else. Through this he gained understanding d learning the ways of the uchuha unlike anyone else.

This form of intelligence is all what he has shown in everyone of his matches. Nothing of great extent, yet you ridiculous **** riding fanboys like to play like he isgod.
Please intelligence stems from a lot of things, this right here is the ability to analyze and perform an intelligent strategy to defeat ones opponent

Itachi has never done this, he uses genjutsu and knowledge from the Uchiha tablets.

Garra has shown better intelligence and hasn't even a main character like Iachi

 

[Strict]

[...]yet you ridiculous **** riding fanboys like to play like he isgod.

Is this your debating level after all.

 

[blazekev90]

Its called visual genjutsu so long as the eye perceives the image that creates disturbance in chakra nature. Itachi never used it because he never was in need to use it. We can't really say it's impossible considering the relatively low amount of screen time Itachi had.

alrighty I guess I better call it agree to disagree then, no matter what I say, it wouldn't change your mind and same would go for me too.

gg tho. I usually debate AGAINST itachi and it was fun debating FOR him for a change.

You fail understand still i see, smh

Fine we can leave it at that, this went on longer than i expected anyway

But I'll end saying, read the manga again, analysis how and when genjutsu is used and than look at Garra.

 

[blazekev90]

Is this your debating level after all.

Yes, since I'm babbling bullshit you are obviously a riding fanboy who can't display to me when Itachi has backed up.this hype of intelligence and used superior tactical strategies in his battles.

Instead you call it bullshit, when you haven't stated a moment that can prove otherwise. I said I'm open to anyone showing me this moment, yet not one person has

 

[Strict]

What kind of intelligence skills does Gaara have?
The Manga displayed way more feats for Itachi and hype also.
Also, the databook contradicts with you.
Continue your idiocy.

 

[accept pain]

no,he is not top ten material. check this

this list is based on the end of series. not edos

naruto
sasuke
obito
hashirama
madara
nagato
minato
tobirama
kabuto
3rd raikage,onoki,killer bee.,jiraiya,muu.

look he is not top 10.

 

[blazekev90]

What kind of intelligence skills does Gaara have?
The Manga displayed way more feats for Itachi and hype also.
Also, the databook contradicts with you.
Continue your idiocy.

Garra has always used a form of intelligence in all his battles. His best performance of this was against the 2ND mizukage.

This display of intelligence and analysis was indeed greater than.the average shinobi, with him having a clear disadvantage. Joki boy was taken down by pure intelligence, and it wasn't just him thinking inside the box of what he's capable of but his opponent.

Itachi has done this? Anything to that level? Except use genjutsu? Such great intelligence hahaha ok