funny how Itachi is stronger than most kages of history

[Bogard]

The Edo Hokages are said to be the strongest zombies(Suigetsu even stated with them, they could turn this war under their control easily), so i'm pretty sure they are presented to be all above Itachi. Besides that, we have seen Kage title doesn't mean that much nowadays since there are plenty of ninjas who are above the current kages like Naruto, Sasuke, Bee, Madara, Obito, Kabuto, Orochimaru, Kakashi, Jiraya Gai, Kisame and so on

 

[xcoyote]

How about Orochimaru? Was he not intelligent enough to know Itachi's genjutsu could paralyze him? Or was he a 40 year old child too

You are assuming this is a battle with full knowledge but what if it isn't?

You are cutting Gaara way too much slack to make him seem invincible from Itachi's genjutsu which is not the case at all

your argument remains still lolgenjutsu ,a close range attack that requires eye contact,
Gaaras has dat thirde Eye the end..

 

[Blaze Release]

Haha i knew you would stroll your way into this thread with something slick. But yes, defending and Deidara was a child than

bruh stop making an excuse with age, there is like a 2-3 years age gap.
Itachi gave him the 1 - 2 combo, without physically touching him. Your boy nearly killed himself with his own technique

thats fair enough your right this isnt a Vs thread... But i still believe minato has more to offer.. and its not minato's about minato's strength... he is strong enough as it is... but i think he has a lot more variety to him than people give him credit for.. i just hope we see something from him now he is back

Yes every ninja will no doubt have other techniques under their sleeves, but every ninja before they died will would have seen them with their powers displayed, more or less.

We saw jiraiya's sm
itachi's ms arsenal along with his eapons
deidara's bomb variation, from c0-4
nagato's chibaku tensei and others
kisame samahda fused.

Everybody gets given a shout out by kishi before they die.
All should have other techniques, however their bread and butter, their true powers would have been shown before they died, so i am not expecting any one of them to show us something that will drastically increase their powers when they were alive, as that brings up the question, why didn't they use it

 

[blazekev90]

How about Orochimaru? Was he not intelligent enough to know Itachi's genjutsu could paralyze him? Or was he a 40 year old child too

You are assuming this is a battle with full knowledge but what if it isn't?

You are cutting Gaara way too much slack to make him seem invincible from Itachi's genjutsu which is not the case at all

No! I'm going based off manga fact

Fact is Garra is a long range fight who usually starts off in flight, clone or with a massive sand storm.

e has means to counter or bet yet avoid genjutsu

Itachi hasnt fought against an opponent like him, so you can't assume he start off according neither

You might want to re-rrad the manga, Garra's fights and abilities and see what i mean

Orochimaru, like Deidar are cocky fools. Deidara was fully unware of genju nd after that fight was on guard with genjutsu. Experience is what he needed

While Orochimaru seen himself as invincible, he didn't try to avoid anything

These two can't compare to Garra is battle analysis and being very cautious

Stop it!

 

[Grammar Nazi]

your argument remains still lolgenjutsu ,a close range attack that requires eye contact,
Gaaras has dat thirde Eye the end..

Not just eye-eye contact, hand-eye contact would work too. Gaara's third eye takes a while to be used and Gaara is incapable of physically moving when he uses it. Itachi on the other hand uses his genjutsu right at the start of the battle.

From what you are saying, Gaara would have to close his eyes as soon as the battle starts, and move a few metres backwards and start preparing for the third eye, all while Itachi is free to attack him. No matter how you argue, Gaara's out of feats when it comes to genjutsu

 

[KidGamer65]

Hashirama can definitely beat Itachi. Tobirama hasn't shown his true power yet so he has a chance. The rest of them Itachi can definitely defeat.

 

[blazekev90]

bruh stop making an excuse with age, there is like a 2-3 years age gap.
Itachi gave him the 1 - 2 combo, without physically touching him. Your boy nearly killed himself with his own technique

it

You misunderstand, i say a child as him being inexperienced. He in fact attacked to Itachi's comfort (close range) because he overestimated himself and knew nothing of his opponent. This was a child and afterwards he learned his lesson. Users like tomention someone at their primez that obviously wasn't a prime Deidara, not saying for sure it would have ended differently but it wouldn't have been as easy

 

[xcoyote]

Not just eye-eye contact, hand-eye contact would work too. Gaara's third eye takes a while to be used and Gaara is incapable of physically moving when he uses it. Itachi on the other hand uses his genjutsu right at the start of the battle.

From what you are saying, Gaara would have to close his eyes as soon as the battle starts, and move a few metres backwards and start preparing for the third eye, all while Itachi is free to attack him. No matter how you argue, Gaara's out of feats when it comes to genjutsu

He can keep distance from itachi using flight and when gaara activates the third eye he covers himself with sand.

 

[blazekev90]

Not just eye-eye contact, hand-eye contact would work too. Gaara's third eye takes a while to be used and Gaara is incapable of physically moving when he uses it. Itachi on the other hand uses his genjutsu right at the start of the battle.

From what you are saying, Gaara would have to close his eyes as soon as the battle starts, and move a few metres backwards and start preparing for the third eye, all while Itachi is free to attack him. No matter how you argue, Gaara's out of feats when it comes to genjutsu

Again with the bull.

Yes, Itachi has multiple ways to perform genjutsu, none of them exceeding mid range length.

Third eye takes time?!? What? Also, Garra can still perform with the third eye present, please go look at his match before stating nonsense

Also, notice the distance Garra can achieve in.flight, you clearly don't get it

Also, most of the simple genjtus can be broken by inflicting pain. Garra can control his sand without moving at all.

 

[Grammar Nazi]

No! I'm going based off manga fact

Fact is Garra is a long range fight who usually starts off in flight, clone or with a massive sand storm.

e has means to counter or bet yet avoid genjutsu

Itachi hasnt fought against an opponent like him, so you can't assume he start off according neither

You might want to re-rrad the manga, Garra's fights and abilities and see what i mean



Stop it!

so you are assuming Gaara would start the fight in his flight mode? From most of his battles (against Deidara, 4th kazekage, Sasuke etc. ) the very first move Gaara used was trying to cover his opponent with Sand while staying on the ground. #MANGAFACT check for yourself

Now that's important because-

Orochimaru also tried covering Itachi with snake, and he got caught

Deidara tried covering Itachi with clay, and he got caught.

You don't need to be cocky to get caught in Itachi's genjutsu.

Gaara's chances of avoiding genjutsu is very thin if they fight without knowledge.

Now lets see what happens if they fight with knowledge.

That would mean Itachi knows everything about Gaara's ability and he would go Susanoo from the beginning strike Gaara down as soon as the battle starts with a combination of crow clones and all of his power moves before Gaara even gets a chance to move backwards.

Your argument would be valid only if, Gaara has full knowledge on Itachi and Itachi has no knowledge on Gaara.

He can keep distance from itachi using flight and when gaara activates the third eye he covers himself with sand.

Itachi isn't the slowest ninja out there and he could easily close the distance when Gaara tries activating the third eye. If Gaara tried using the round shield he used against Sasuke, that would make him an easy target for totsuka.

 

[Avonomemi]

*bored*
Disgaree with most of your point.
But I say this itachi is a fine shinobi.

 

[blazekev90]

so you are assuming Gaara would start the fight in his flight mode? From most of his battles (against Deidara, 4th kazekage, Sasuke etc. ) the very first move Gaara used was trying to cover his opponent with Sand while staying on the ground. #MANGAFACT check for yourself

Now that's important because-

Orochimaru tried covering Itachi with snake, and he got caught


Deidara tried covering Itachi with clay, and he got caught.

You don't need to be cocky to get caught in Itachi's genjutsu.

Gaara's chances of avoiding genjutsu is very thin if they fight without knowledge.

Now lets see what happens if they fight with knowledge.

That would mean Itachi knows everything about Gaara's ability and he would go Susanoo from the beginning strike Gaara down as soon as the battle starts with a combination of crow clones and all of his power moves before Gaara even gets a chance to move backwards.

Your argument would be valid only if, Gaara has full knowledge on Itachi and Itachi has no knowledge on Gaara.

Did you not notice his distance in those fights??? Genjutsu has that range?? I thought so

Orochimaru covering Itachi was in the anime, not the manga. Try again

Deidara knew of nothing! He didn't know the men before him and like I said you can't compare a hot-headed kid to a kage!!

You're lucky i can't post scan man lol

That little scenario was cute, but won't happen -_-

Also, i mentioned the three ways in which Garra starts his fights, i included massive sand.
When seeing Deidara as a threat=flight
4Th kazekage=attacked miles away

 

[Strict]

Actually Garra owns Itachi mid-high difficulty

Garra has better intelligence

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[Grammar Nazi]

Did you not notice his distance in those fights??? Genjutsu has that range?? I thought so

Orochimaru covering Itachi was in the anime, not the manga. Try again

Deidara knew of nothing! He didn't know the men before him and like I said you can't compare a hot-headed kid to a kage!!

You're lucky i can't post scan man lol

That little scenario was cute, but won't happen -_-

Also, i mentioned the three ways in which Garra starts his fights, i included massive sand.
When seeing Deidara as a threat=flight
4Th kazekage=attacked miles away

if its called visual genjutsu, I don't get what distance has to do with it. From logic, you look at it, your brain processes the image, and your chakra flow gets disturbed. I don't understand how distance plays a part in that. No one in the manga ever had the necessity of casting genjutsu on an enemy from far away. But that doesn't mean its impossible.

I remember Naruto was hiding from Itachi behind a tree and apparently he was already caught in Itachi's genjutsu. He was several metres away from Itachi at that time.(before KA was implanted into Naruto)

Also what if Itachi sends a bunch of crow clones that are able to fly as well. Itachi's crows can also carry sharingan and cast genjutsus.(perfect example would be shisui's KA in the crow)

 

[blazekev90]

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Strict i.know you are a die hard Itachi fanboy, but you can't discredit Garra's intelligence and assume Itachi's superior.

 

[closecombat22]

not debating if gaara can win or not as this thread isn't a vs thread.
i am saying itachi is stronger than him. To win doesn't mean you are stronger.

And minato ill repeat again, kish gives every character a final fight before they die to display their powers, with the exception of those who's powers have been hindered due to illness or old age.

yes Minato should have more techniques up his sleeve, however nothing that will drastically increase his powers from what we saw in his last fight.

that is was 4 tail naruto ttb did kcm minato has twice the that much chakar

[video=youtube;XQkg0RtjjTE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQkg0RtjjTE[/video]

 

[blazekev90]

if its called visual genjutsu, I don't get what distance has to do with it.

I remember Naruto was hiding from Itachi behind a tree and apparently he was already caught in Itachi's genjutsu. He was several metres away from Itachi at that time.(before KA was implanted into Naruto)

Also what if Itachi sends a bunch of crow clones that are able to fly as well. Itachi's crows can also carry sharingan and cast genjutsus.(perfect example would be shisui's KA in the crow)

Sigh

I'm getting tired of this now.

Distance has everything to do with genjutsu being effective and the type of genjutsu being used of course.

Naruto was caught prior to being behind that three. He was caught standing directly in front of Itachi

Why would Garra stand there and watch crows approach him?? -_-

 

[Draphsin]

Strict i.know you are a die hard Itachi fanboy, but you can't discredit Garra's intelligence and assume Itachi's superior.

Was gaara ever called a genius?

Was gaara ever praised as the most skilled of his generation?

Itachi has shown better intelligence feats than gaara.

 

[blazekev90]

Was gaara ever called a genius?

Was gaara ever praised as the most skilled of his generation?

Itachi has shown better intelligence feats than gaara.

Lee was called a genius, guess he is equal to Itachi

Garra was called the Golden Child (whatever ot was)

What's your point exactly?

Tell me when I'll consider this. Otherwise carry on, I'm entertaining everyone in this thread

 

[Grammar Nazi]

Sigh

I'm getting tired of this now.

Distance has everything to do with genjutsu being effective and the type of genjutsu being used of course.

Naruto was caught prior to being behind that three. He was caught standing directly in front of Itachi

Why would Garra stand there and watch crows approach him?? -_-

meh I am at my limits too, can you find a manga scan to correlate distance and the effectiveness of a VISUAL genjutsu?

you are underestimating Itachi who is also known as one of the most prominent genjutsu users. Kabuto practically made himself invincible against genjutsu and yet Itachi found a way of putting him under it. In other words, Itachi never had a single fight in which he couldn't find a way to put his enemy under genjutsu. Kurenai, kakashi, Orochimaru, Naruto, Deidara, Sasuke, DSM kabuto are some of his genjutsu victims.

Don't you think maybe, just maybe, you are overestimaing gaara. Its true that Gaara never faced anyone like Itachi either. MS Sasuke at that time had other intentions(killing Danzo) and had no time to toy with Gaara and also was pretty beat up.