funny how Itachi is stronger than most kages of history

more intelligent: Itachi or Gaara?


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Joshutsu

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Why does everyone have to go out of their way to single Tsunade out of the hokage bunch. She is as OP as hiruzen, minato. They don't have anything that special for me to say they outclass tsunade by leaps. Tobirama unconfirmed. If you call Hiruzen OP Tsunade is OP because the hiruzen we saw can get owned by byakugo mode. JS. Prime Hiruzen doesn't exist.
 

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Why does everyone have to go out of their way to single Tsunade out of the hokage bunch. She is as OP as hiruzen, minato. They don't have anything that special for me to say they outclass tsunade by leaps. Tobirama unconfirmed. If you call Hiruzen OP Tsunade is OP because the hiruzen we saw can get owned by byakugo mode. JS. Prime Hiruzen doesn't exist.

ur a bit late... Tsunade is strong there is no disagreeing with that but her fighting style against Itachi isnt the best... she would deffinetly get caught in genjutsu ... just like the 3rd raikage.. even thought they are both formidable foes itachi has the advantage since his genjutsu works best in close range.. thought i will admit with tsunade u shouldnt drop ur guard against her but itachi isnt one to drop his guard so easily
 

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Again you say Garra's intelligence isn't on par with Itachi and Minato. Who so?? I'm tired of hype fooling people into what to believe. When have they shown superior intelligence? ???

Yes, i know Itachi analyzes his fights. Has Garra not done the same in every fight???

Being able to predict ones movement and having the means to avoid this are two different things.

Garra jas used sand on Madara and Sasuke, have they predicted
all his attacks? Has he not caught them before?

Genjutsu hasn't been shown to be a long range attack. 95% of the time with intent to kill Garra has his instance set or he uses clones. This has too been shown in the manga. Even Kakshi used a clone on Itachi, he tried putting it in genjutsu and than stated" no wonder you didn't fall to my genjutsu" or something along those lines

Hey like I said before, You have your opinion and I have mine. But sometimes, HYPES tell you the truth.

Itachi has several weapons in his arsenal that can one shot Gaara. However, you can't say the same for Gaara. It is essential for him to score a series of clean hits on Itachi with his sand and Itachi's sharingan, coupled with his defenses, would make it extremely difficult for him. And while Gaara's trying to attack him, single move from Itachi can put him under genjutsu spell.
No matter how I look at it, its not looking good for Gaara.

I don't think a shadow, sand, waterclone can fool a sharingan user. Only mokuton clones were able to do that.

Itachi's battle against Naruto/kakashi wasn't cannon fact since chances are pretty high Itachi was toying with them in both encounters.



thats quite bad logic to use... no offence intended its just even if they both use the sharingan there abilities are very different .. not to mention 1 if edo so any damage that was done to him he didnt feel anyways and just regenerated...

also i have seen ur last post and u should see my last post aswell

Anyways my initial point was that the kages wouldnt go down as easy as the OP said most battles would go both ways...

and my other point was Gaara would deffinetly not go down easy since he has everything needed to be able to win... of course he might not be able to win every time but there is a good chance he can and the same goes for itachi ...

yeah I guess it was tad stupid too. But remember edo or not, Madara was toying with the 5 kages. If EMS Madara(even alive) was serious in a fight and pulls out ps from the start, Kages would be overwhelmed.

Rikudo was a god and his descendants- Hashirama and Madara were demigods. You can't really compare them with mere mortal kages.
 

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ur a bit late... Tsunade is strong there is no disagreeing with that but her fighting style against Itachi isnt the best... she would deffinetly get caught in genjutsu ... just like the 3rd raikage.. even thought they are both formidable foes itachi has the advantage since his genjutsu works best in close range.. thought i will admit with tsunade u shouldnt drop ur guard against her but itachi isnt one to drop his guard so easily

No i am not disagreeing with the OP about Itachi beating her, but i just dislike people singling her out specifically among the 5 hokage. Each hokage has something unique. Tsunade Creation rebirth and Byakugou is pretty awesome and a good example of her skill in medical ninjutsu. I think she just deserves a little more recognition. She is the only female hokage and i think even then she can hold a decent fight against the others.
 

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Hey like I said before, You have your opinion and I have mine. But sometimes, HYPES tell you the truth.

Itachi has several weapons in his arsenal that can one shot Gaara. However, you can't say the same for Gaara. It is essential for him to score a series of clean hits on Itachi with his sand and Itachi's sharingan, coupled with his defenses, would make it extremely difficult for him. And while Gaara's trying to attack him, single move from Itachi can put him under genjutsu spell.
No matter how I look at it, its not looking good for Gaara.

I don't think a shadow, sand, waterclone can fool a sharingan user. Only mokuton clones were able to do that.

Itachi's battle against Naruto/kakashi wasn't cannon fact since chances are pretty high Itachi was toying with them in both encounters.





yeah I guess it was tad stupid too. But remember edo or not, Madara was toying with the 5 kages. If EMS Madara(even alive) was serious in a fight and pulls out ps from the start, Kages would be overwhelmed.

Rikudo was a god and his descendants- Hashirama and Madara were demigods. You can't really compare them with mere mortal kages.

Did you not read my post or the manga, i stated a moment in which Itachi attacked a clone -_-

This post proves nothing. All you are doing is basing every on hype and if i wasn't using my cell phone i would post scans of everything I've claimed.

Garra has the ability to defense and attack at the same time, there is not breathing time against him. Deidara stated this in their fight

Yes, Itachi is OP but in this match-up most if not all of his jutsu are useless. What don't you get???
 

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I agree with eveerything, except that he stands a chance against Hashirama.
 

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Hey like I said before, You have your opinion and I have mine. But sometimes, HYPES tell you the truth.

Itachi has several weapons in his arsenal that can one shot Gaara. However, you can't say the same for Gaara. It is essential for him to score a series of clean hits on Itachi with his sand and Itachi's sharingan, coupled with his defenses, would make it extremely difficult for him. And while Gaara's trying to attack him, single move from Itachi can put him under genjutsu spell.
No matter how I look at it, its not looking good for Gaara.

I don't think a shadow, sand, waterclone can fool a sharingan user. Only mokuton clones were able to do that.

Itachi's battle against Naruto/kakashi wasn't cannon fact since chances are pretty high Itachi was toying with them in both encounters.





yeah I guess it was tad stupid too. But remember edo or not, Madara was toying with the 5 kages. If EMS Madara(even alive) was serious in a fight and pulls out ps from the start, Kages would be overwhelmed.

Rikudo was a god and his descendants- Hashirama and Madara were demigods. You can't really compare them with mere mortal kages.

yes thats true madara's PS is incredibly powerful but that has nothing to do with itachi... since even though they are of the same clan they have different strengths and weaknesses and different levels of skills...

No i am not disagreeing with the OP about Itachi beating her, but i just dislike people singling her out specifically among the 5 hokage. Each hokage has something unique. Tsunade Creation rebirth and Byakugou is pretty awesome and a good example of her skill in medical ninjutsu. I think she just deserves a little more recognition. She is the only female hokage and i think even then she can hold a decent fight against the others.

well u cant really help but leave tsunade out in this case... there isnt much to debate about with her in this thread... admitted each hokage... scratch that... every kage had something unique about them.. i agree with u on that.. but bringing tsunade up in this thread was just a tad pointless..
 

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Yes apart from Hashirama everybody else is fair game.

But its Tobirama i worry about.
Out of the 5 hokage's he is the only one who hasn't shown his full strength.

We have seen hashirama's against madara
We haven't seen 'prime' hiruzen, but i have gotten enough of that. We have seen old hiruzen.
We have seen minato's as kishi gives characters a last fight to make their stance and alive minato is as good as it gets agains't obito.
We have seen Tsunade agains't madara.

Tobirama is shaping up to be the second strongest hokage and possible kage ever and that is enough to go above Itachi.

Lmfao at Gaara though. Blazekev fav characters are, oro,deidara and gaara.
Itachi shitting on 2 out of 3 of his fav characters is enough. He doesn't want a clean sweep :cool:
 

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well u cant really help but leave tsunade out in this case... there isnt much to debate about with her in this thread... admitted each hokage... scratch that... every kage had something unique about them.. i agree with u on that.. but bringing tsunade up in this thread was just a tad pointless..

Well i wasn't trying to make the thread about her i was just making a comment on her being singled out. Is all.
 

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Did you not read my post or the manga, i stated a moment in which Itachi attacked a clone -_-

This post proves nothing. All you are doing is basing every on hype and if i wasn't using my cell phone i would post scans of everything I've claimed.

Garra has the ability to defense and attack at the same time, there is not breathing time against him. Deidara stated this in their fight

Yes, Itachi is OP but in this match-up most if not all of his jutsu are useless. What don't you get???

I am going to end this a little bit differently.

I am sure you know what Deidara can pull off being a long range fighter and what not. And you also saw how he got fodderised by Itachi when he tried attacking him.

What makes you think the same wouldn't happen for Gaara?

in most cases if not all, logic doesn't work against Itachi. The reason being his sharingan and genjutsu
 

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not sure where you get this from ... you know 1 ability from a Kazekage ... iron sand and yeah thats slow and itachi beats him instantly ..... noone knows nothing of that kage and because you know 1 ability of him because Deidara used him like that... big no from me
 
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Yes apart from Hashirama everybody else is fair game.

But its Tobirama i worry about.
Out of the 5 hokage's he is the only one who hasn't shown his full strength.

We have seen hashirama's against madara
We haven't seen 'prime' hiruzen, but i have gotten enough of that. We have seen old hiruzen.
We have seen minato's as kishi gives characters a last fight to make their stance and alive minato is as good as it gets agains't obito.
We have seen Tsunade agains't madara.

Tobirama is shaping up to be the second strongest hokage and possible kage ever and that is enough to go above Itachi.

Lmfao at Gaara though. Blazekev fav characters are, oro,deidara and gaara.
Itachi shitting on 2 out of 3 of his fav characters is enough. He doesn't want a clean sweep :cool:

Tobirama is deffinetly a worry since we havent seen much of his abilities .. i should point out that even minato hasnt revealed his true potential... if u think he has then its ludicrous.. we havent seen his nature affinity nor have we seen a lot of his sealing techs which could be the most deadly techs in his arsenal.. i dont think we have seen everything minato can do

as for gaara i think he has a good chance of winning.. of course it isnt a deffinite but he has what it takes to win... the only trouble i can see gaara having is with totsuka blade but this all depends on wether itachi starts off with it right from the get go and it also depends on the starting distance...

but oh well its not like we will ever know xD
 

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Tobirama is deffinetly a worry since we havent seen much of his abilities .. i should point out that even minato hasnt revealed his true potential... if u think he has then its ludicrous.. we havent seen his nature affinity nor have we seen a lot of his sealing techs which could be the most deadly techs in his arsenal.. i dont think we have seen everything minato can do

as for gaara i think he has a good chance of winning.. of course it isnt a deffinite but he has what it takes to win... the only trouble i can see gaara having is with totsuka blade but this all depends on wether itachi starts off with it right from the get go and it also depends on the starting distance...

but oh well its not like we will ever know xD

not debating if gaara can win or not as this thread isn't a vs thread.
i am saying itachi is stronger than him. To win doesn't mean you are stronger.

And minato ill repeat again, kish gives every character a final fight before they die to display their powers, with the exception of those who's powers have been hindered due to illness or old age.

yes Minato should have more techniques up his sleeve, however nothing that will drastically increase his powers from what we saw in his last fight.
 

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Yes apart from Hashirama everybody else is fair game.

But its Tobirama i worry about.
Out of the 5 hokage's he is the only one who hasn't shown his full strength.

We have seen hashirama's against madara
We haven't seen 'prime' hiruzen, but i have gotten enough of that. We have seen old hiruzen.
We have seen minato's as kishi gives characters a last fight to make their stance and alive minato is as good as it gets agains't obito.
We have seen Tsunade agains't madara.

Tobirama is shaping up to be the second strongest hokage and possible kage ever and that is enough to go above Itachi.

Lmfao at Gaara though. Blazekev fav characters are, oro,deidara and gaara.
Itachi shitting on 2 out of 3 of his fav characters is enough. He doesn't want a clean sweep :cool:

Haha i knew you would stroll your way into this thread with something slick. But yes, defending and Deidara was a child than

I am going to end this a little bit differently.

I am sure you know what Deidara can pull off being a long range fighter and what not. And you also saw how he got fodderised by Itachi when he tried attacking him.

What makes you think the same wouldn't happen for Gaara?

in most cases if not all, logic doesn't work against Itachi. The reason being his sharingan and genjutsu

What?!? Deidara stated how Garra is able to attack and defend easily and he has shown this. This has nothing to do with their fight

Deidara was a child who knew nothing of Itachi, let alone their purpose, he was already in genjutsu before he attacked.

Garra isn't Deidara, which is why I've mentioned his intelligence. You obviously have no argument at all and are just posting

Kakashi and Naruto defeated the Itachi. That clone was successfully used

Just stop
 

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Haha i knew you would stroll your way into this thread with something slick. But yes, defending and Deidara was a child than



What?!? Deidara stated how Garra is able to attack and defend easily and he has shown this. This has nothing to do with their fight

Deidara was a child who knew nothing of Itachi, let alone their purpose, he was already in genjutsu before he attacked.

Garra isn't Deidara, which is why I've mentioned his intelligence. You obviously have no argument at all and are just posting

Kakashi and Naruto defeated the Itachi. That clone was successfully used

Just stop

How about Orochimaru? Was he not intelligent enough to know Itachi's genjutsu could paralyze him? Or was he a 40 year old child too

You are assuming this is a battle with full knowledge but what if it isn't?

You are cutting Gaara way too much slack to make him seem invincible from Itachi's genjutsu which is not the case at all

I don't think Itachi in his right mind would try to harm konoha's jinchuuricki. His clone's only purpose was to stall some time and that's exactly what he did. Even then He had Naruto under his genjutsu and Naruto needed the help of others to break free. 1vs 1 against a sharingan opponent, let alone, Itachi is death wish for Garra
 
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not debating if gaara can win or not as this thread isn't a vs thread.
i am saying itachi is stronger than him. To win doesn't mean you are stronger.

And minato ill repeat again, kish gives every character a final fight before they die to display their powers, with the exception of those who's powers have been hindered due to illness or old age.

yes Minato should have more techniques up his sleeve, however nothing that will drastically increase his powers from what we saw in his last fight.

thats fair enough your right this isnt a Vs thread... But i still believe minato has more to offer.. and its not minato's about minato's strength... he is strong enough as it is... but i think he has a lot more variety to him than people give him credit for.. i just hope we see something from him now he is back
 
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